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The Fiber Menace - now I have ????

post #1 of 6
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I don't want to overload you with background, so i'll just get down to the issue.


I have 3 kids. All 3, at some point in their young toddler years, experienced severe, painful consipation. For all 3 I noted an excessive banana consumption = constipation link, and if we cut out or severely limited bananas, the issue went away. Great, I'm a CSI now.


Fast forward years later. (We follow an eat-what-you-want family model, no forced meals or one-meal-suits-all style). Dh and I eat a high-meat (organic, grass fed, local) and cooked veg/root veg diet, low starchy grains. our bowels move daily, with no issue. yes, our morning caffeine hit helps this along.

Eldest, if left to chose his own foods, eats a high fat and starchy grains diet (this means cream cheese loaded on bagels, homous on crackers, butter on whole grain bread, etc.) Once in awhile he'll choose some meat. His bowel function is alright, not perfect.

younger child lives on fruits and veggies, hates meat. blueberries, mangoes, dried fruit, nuts, carrots . . . she has the hardest time with bowel movements, and they are generally hard and smal, like a rabbits, a felow vegetarian.

youngest child eats mostly yogurt (high fat, organic), cereal with milk, toast and jam, applesauce and fruit smoothies. She too takes forever to empty her bowels and they are HUGE when she does. I previously saw this as a 'healthy' size.


My background is in health, nursing and nutrition, but in those years I was taught the health-food-store version, high veg and grains, low fat, low meat, lots of water, water, water and good bcteria through yogurt. When I followed this diet (I was vegan for 10 years), I see in hindsight, my bowel function was poor. It is only now, as a nightly meat-squash-potatoes eater that I see what healthy feels like for me. i eat far less overall, and feel good. I've read up on WP and TF, and my internal compass has always been to follow evolution: if I'm faced with a physical problem in my life, I look to my ancestry as a mammal, and try to find the flaw in my modern life (poor footwear, processed foods, too much night-time light, etc.). So eating how I am now feels *right* for me.

and based on what I now believe, how my children are eating feels so wrong. and their physical manifestations of health (bowel function for one) back up this wrong feeling.


So I followed the MDC link to the Fiber Menace and he spoke of how fiber is actually your enemy, that you want small bowel movements twice daily, and a meat and root veg/high fat diet is what your body wants. (totally paraphrasing, don't think it's a quote). that a huge stool is due to all the dead bacteria in your gut.

Do you agree?


how on earth can I get my children to eat the way (I *think*) their bodies need to, if their instinctual desires do not match this? I agree we all need dfferent things, and different diets work for diff folks. so I've left them to it. but I also think there are big red flags in my kids bowels and behaviours that point to a dietary problem.


I'll stop before this gets to long, and look forward to your feedback. thank you so much.
post #2 of 6
I don't know enough to comment on the fiber or the bowel movements, but as far as feeding children healthy foods, my philosophy is to have healthy foods be all that is available, and my child can choose from what is available.
post #3 of 6
I'm veg*n myself but I 'agree' with you in as much as, anecdotally:

When I eat low-fat and high-bulk I get constipated. When I eat high-fat and low grain I have delightfully wonderful movements every single day (as someone who was plagued by constipation for years, this IS something I would describe as delightful, haha)

So for me it's not about meat, obviously, but I definitely see a connection between fat and bm's. Makes sense - lubrication!

I eat tons of avocados, which kids tend to love and can be snuck in to many foods, so you might have success with helping your kids that way. Also coconut oil can be stirred into (hot) cereal, blended into smoothies, and added to all sorts of other things. Coconut oil definitely helps move things along! Other awesome fats are flax and olive and these can be added to a bunch of the foods you listed as your children enjoying.

So yeah, I would focus on adding fats to the foods they already enjoy, starting that way. Good luck!
post #4 of 6
Well I can't speak too much to your main question (since I'm vegetarian- but eating relatively low-carb, whole-foods based diet). But I think my son would choose bready stuff all the time if that was what was available. So, I limit it. We never have crackers, pretzels, chips or cold cereal around the house (though he can eat that when its offered out of the house. Years ago I decided not to sweat that). And as we became more aware, we switched the kids to sprouted grain breads, and home-made lower-grain muffins etc. (DH and I are eating almost no grain). Steel cut oatmeal now and again for breakfast.

Maybe you can start by stocking less-bad versions in the house (switch to sprouted wheat bagels, and something like the "mary's gone crackers"), or simply less of the grainy, starchy stuff- since you are pretty free-range letting the kids chose their own foods it might be a matter of adjusting what there is to choose from?

And, my DS might be younger than your kids, but he really accepts it just fine.
post #5 of 6
I'll blow my horn from the "fiber is evil" bandwagon too. Any kind of fiber just kills me, plugs me up something terrible. My diet now is mostly carnivorous. Losing some of the bread-like foods will most certainly help (there is a reason why subsisting on bread and water is a form of punishment) and adding more fats in, like the avocado mentioned is great idea, helps to keeps things moving by keeping the stool soft. And boiled yellow squash usually has a very nice and gentle laxative effect if you want to add a serving of that every so often, tis the season!
post #6 of 6
Can you talk to your kids about your concerns? About how gut health affects everything else, including mood? Try to get them to take an "experimental" approach to see if they notice any differences, and have a menu ready to start before you talk to them, so that if they agree, you can implement the "experiment" right away? (Obviously you are experienced with yourself and your dh regarding the menu, but perhaps you'd have to come up with some quick, snacky, or new items when you involve the kids.)

And I agree that simply not having bagels, etc in the house will really work. Can you cut out things, and sub other things, one at a time? Almond bread (made with coconut oil) instead of bagels, for example? Soaked granola instead of regular cereal? When that starts to feel easy, pick something else to switch out.

Can you make fruit/veggie/greens smoothies for your child, and add in some fat -- coconut oil being ideal, because of both the saturated fat content and the positive effect it has on gut bacteria. A lot of great things can go in a smoothie, once they start liking them. Water or dairy kefir, fats, herbal infusions, bee pollen...
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