Salicylates?

[foodymama]

After reading info here I went on to do more research on salicylates. I definitely think that is my key problem right now. However, I don't know know where to start diet wise.

I have been on anti-inflammation diets, elimination diets based on two different food allergy tests and I have been gluten free, corn free, dairy free, yeast free, and egg free for about a year now. But yet I still seem to be reacting to everything I eat.

The only non-reactive foods I see in the failsafe diet are pears, potatoes and white rice. Right now I'm hardly eating anything at all but I really don't see how I can survive on those three foods. And with my allergic tendencies I can't see eating those same foods over and over and not developing an allergy or intolerance. It may seem like I'm being severe about this but I have been battling severe problems for a long time and I just want to get well. I am new to salicylates so is there something I am missing or does anyone have additional suggestions?

[JaneS]

It sounds like you are having a really hard time.

Why do you think you are reacting to sals?

No fats or proteins would be ok for you?

Have you tried digestive enzymes and probiotics?

Any other testing done besides food allergy tests?

I'm wondering if there is not an underlying issue that is not necessarily food allergies.

[dulce_mami]

Sorry to hear about your problems : (

I read in several places that rotation diets work really well for people that have many allergies, but you need a lot of discipline (I could not follow them bc. the leftovers in the fridge from the day before appealed to me sometime more than the food I was supposed to eat that day ...)

Also, I would suggest to look for foods you never/rarely ate (sea plants, chia seeds, roots like parley, turnips ... ?) I am surprised that you can't have any meat, my kids react to quite few things (known and unknown), but meats are one thing that they seem to do fine with (so, of course they don't want to eat them anymore...)

Hope to hear good news from you soon!

[foodymama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

It sounds like you are having a really hard time.

Why do you think you are reacting to sals?

No fats or proteins would be ok for you?

Have you tried digestive enzymes and probiotics?

Any other testing done besides food allergy tests?

I'm wondering if there is not an underlying issue that is not necessarily food allergies.

I think I am reacting to sals because everything just seems to fit. I had food allergy testing done twice and each time I got the results back I shook my head in despair because my homeopath claimed that the reslts weren't "too bad" but yet I knew the things that appeared weren't even half of what I was reacting to. I followed a rotation diet of allowable foods for at least six months with the food diary and everything and I didn't notice the slightest improvement. I need to find access to freshly slaughtered organic meat to see if that makes a difference for me but right now eating meats from the grocery store isn't working, I react to all meats.

I had posted before and you suggested I take sublingual B which made everything ten times worse. But after reading about sals I realized that the vitamin B I took was cherry flavored. I have rheumatoid arthritis and I take ibuprofen regularly which I react to immediately after taking which was another thing that I saw you should stay away from because it contains sals. A staple in my family is homemade tea made from fresh mint which I noticed a while ago I couldn't drink anymore without knowing why until I researched sals and saw mint is also a big no no if you''re sensitive to sals. I could go on and on like this, there are so many other examples that just fit with being intolerent to sals. I do take probiotics. And I know I have a problem with candida as well. I'm just trying to figure out which problem to tackle first that will give me the most relief.

I was taking other supplements regularly but have stopped them all because I am in that bad of shape I can't feel them helping, in some instances I think it may be making me feel worse.

What other kinds of tests? I have had other tests done but are you wondering about something specific?

Originally Posted by dulce_mami

Sorry to hear about your problems : (

I read in several places that rotation diets work really well for people that have many allergies, but you need a lot of discipline (I could not follow them bc. the leftovers in the fridge from the day before appealed to me sometime more than the food I was supposed to eat that day ...)

Also, I would suggest to look for foods you never/rarely ate (sea plants, chia seeds, roots like parley, turnips ... ?) I am surprised that you can't have any meat, my kids react to quite few things (known and unknown), but meats are one thing that they seem to do fine with (so, of course they don't want to eat them anymore...)

Hope to hear good news from you soon!

I have been on a rotation diet and I understand completely!

Thank you for that suggestion. I will have to try that. I am not a picky eater in the least, but I have become a very cautious eater for sure. Do you use fresh organic meats? I saw that that is what you need to eat if you react to sals. Where I live I don't have too many options though.

Thank you for the positive thoughts! I'm hoping too!

[mamafish9]

I'd pull high and very high sals foods, and work on increasing your sals tolerance. My DS was extremely sals sensitive, and with a lot of work, he can now eat most food sals just fine (fruit flavored supps are still a disaster, but he can eat berries).

The two things I think made the most difference: support the pathway that processes salicylates - mag, molybdenum, P5P (active form of B6 - low dose, it doesn't take a ton). Avoid omega 6s, eat lots of omega 3s (you're looking to get your omega 3:6 intake into a 1:4 ratio or better). If you're eating sunflower or safflower oil, those are a disaster, super high in omega 6s. Omega 6s drive inflammation, so I think this ties into RA as well.

[dulce_mami]

Hmmm... Ibuprofen. This is very bad for stomach and digestion (I think), would it be possible to cut it out? Maybe try physiotherapy for a while, or warm compresses, warm socks etc? Be careful, a lot of ointments also contain sals (through menthol), so try to avoid them. I think physical exercise helps too, stretches and lifting weights, yoga, see if you can get rid of the pain without taking medication.

Sals may very well be a problem, but be open minded. We noticed that our kids could not do bananas which are low in sals, so I discovered phenols. Then their OAT results showed very high oxalate levels which apparently are notorious for arthritic/rheumatic pains. What I now know is that our kids do not have good digestion, so I try to work with this sort of unidentified problem over my head, by enhancing their digestion: minerals, vit., probiotics, enzymes, and try dietary changes, but the more I say : ``no more cereal", the more they crave it and ask for it

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

[JaneS]

Not tolerating aged meats would be not being able to tolerate amines. Amines are also eliminated in the FAILSAFE diet.
www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.com

I meant something like other tests for inflammation, CRP, stool testing or thyroid testing, full panel including antibodies and free T3/T4 www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

[foodymama]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

I'd pull high and very high sals foods, and work on increasing your sals tolerance. My DS was extremely sals sensitive, and with a lot of work, he can now eat most food sals just fine (fruit flavored supps are still a disaster, but he can eat berries).

The two things I think made the most difference: support the pathway that processes salicylates - mag, molybdenum, P5P (active form of B6 - low dose, it doesn't take a ton). Avoid omega 6s, eat lots of omega 3s (you're looking to get your omega 3:6 intake into a 1:4 ratio or better). If you're eating sunflower or safflower oil, those are a disaster, super high in omega 6s. Omega 6s drive inflammation, so I think this ties into RA as well.

Thank you mamafish9, that is very interesting about the omega 6s. That's also very hopeful that your DS is now able to eat most things! Would it be a good idea to take fish oil? I do tend to have a problem with bruising but I think I can use in a tolerable amount if you think that would be beneficial. Or is it better just to get it from foods?

Originally Posted by dulce_mami

Hmmm... Ibuprofen. This is very bad for stomach and digestion (I think), would it be possible to cut it out? Maybe try physiotherapy for a while, or warm compresses, warm socks etc? Be careful, a lot of ointments also contain sals (through menthol), so try to avoid them. I think physical exercise helps too, stretches and lifting weights, yoga, see if you can get rid of the pain without taking medication.

Sals may very well be a problem, but be open minded. We noticed that our kids could not do bananas which are low in sals, so I discovered phenols. Then their OAT results showed very high oxalate levels which apparently are notorious for arthritic/rheumatic pains. What I now know is that our kids do not have good digestion, so I try to work with this sort of unidentified problem over my head, by enhancing their digestion: minerals, vit., probiotics, enzymes, and try dietary changes, but the more I say : ``no more cereal", the more they crave it and ask for it

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Thank you dulce_mami. I appreciate any input at this point. I actually have recently stopped taking the ibuprofen. And your right it isn't good for you. I have come a long way from regular mainstream medications and treaments and I am much healthier for it I just don't think my body knows that yet!

What does OAT stand for? I am new to all of these things. Thank you for the remider though that it could be other things as well. Isn't that always the case though, we always want what we shouldn't have!

[foodymama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Not tolerating aged meats would be not being able to tolerate amines. Amines are also eliminated in the FAILSAFE diet.
www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.com

I meant something like other tests for inflammation, CRP, stool testing or thyroid testing, full panel including antibodies and free T3/T4 www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

I haven't had regular bloodwork done in a long time and I'm not sure if any of the above things you mentioned were done either. I do have a copy around here somewhere I need to look to see what he had ordered at the time.

Do you think I should specifically ask for those tests?

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by foodymama

Thank you mamafish9, that is very interesting about the omega 6s. That's also very hopeful that your DS is now able to eat most things! Would it be a good idea to take fish oil? I do tend to have a problem with bruising but I think I can use in a tolerable amount if you think that would be beneficial. Or is it better just to get it from foods?

Fish oil is great, as is eating fish. Reducing omega 3s is really important too - there is sunflower and safflower oil in everything!

If you have bruising issues, try some vitamin K2 (I get the Thorne drops, you can get them on iherb.com - the bottle lasts forever). If you are not able to eat most meat, likely you are K2 deficient, and that can cause an inflammatory cascade. When I started my son on the K2 drops, I gave one drop 4 times a day, and in about a week, he was WAY better. Now we do one drop daily.

[JaneS]

yes, I would start with those tests. I would try to find a functional medicine doctor, such as an MD with alternative learning.

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Reducing omega 3s is really important too - there is sunflower and safflower oil in everything!

she meant to say reducing omega 6 oils which are the inflammatory oils.

The 6's are most present in a modern diet b/c of the kind of vegetable oils that are eaten the most. And grain fed meat, dairy, eggs and farmed fish do not contain omega 3s like pastured/grassfed/wild traditionally raised animals but are instead high in omega 6s.

Omega 3 calms inflammation.

Coconut, olive and palm oil are neutral o6/o3.

[foodymama]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I meant something like other tests for inflammation, CRP, stool testing or thyroid testing, full panel including antibodies and free T3/T4 www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Originally Posted by JaneS

yes, I would start with those tests. I would try to find a functional medicine doctor, such as an MD with alternative learning.

Wow, JaneS I am always amazed by your insight! Thank you! I finally looked at the website you suggested, www.stopthethyroidmadness.com and I have a majority of those symptoms listed.

It's always difficult to explain to people on here what kind of Dr. I see but I go to the exact type of Dr. you recommended. He is a D.O. but he serves in a practice with three other Dr.'s that lean toward holistic medicine as much as possible but still provide regular medical care. I am scheduled to see him next week but I might email him to suggest the tests you mentioned. Thank you again!