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Help if you know anything about cows!

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We are looking at purchasing 8 acres of land. It has only maybe an acre, cleared around the house, the rest is all trees. There is no barn, just a very long metal garage that someone would use for a garage/workshop. It has no windows, just a garage door and has a cement floor. My problem is that we want a cow. There is really no grazing area, and would that garage be suitable for putting stalls for the cow and maybe pigs, and to store the hay. How can you raise a cow without grazing? How much hay do you need to get at once? (enough for all winter) Would the metal garage become too hot?

I know nothing about cows so any advice you can give would be wonderful. I really want this house but having no barn or grazing area is a real problem. Or is it solvable?

Thanks
post #2 of 9
Not grazing means bringing lots of hay and grass to your cow. She still would need to get out for fresh air, sunshine and exercise for good health, even if you bring her all the feed. The shed sounds like a fine place to store feed, but I have never seen a cow kept in a windowless building. Also, most of the time she would prefer to be outside. It's the coldest and windiest times of year that are a concern. How cold does it get where you live? Will you fence her a nice outdoor pen?

(I don't know anything about pigs or keeping these animals together in a single building.)
post #3 of 9
I don't know about cows specifically but I know animals need excellent ventilation to stay healthy, especially in summer and winter, but no direct wind blowing in when it's cold.
post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 
We are in the lower part of Maine, so it does get pretty cold. I wonder if we could put some windows into the metal garage for ventilation. What are other inexpensive ways to house a cow through the cold weather? And what kind of building do pigs need? I know nothing about farming as you can tell.
post #5 of 9
Joanne Grohman's book, Keeping a Family Cow, has info. on housing, feed, etc.
post #6 of 9
Feeding a cow hay gets really expensive. And she'd need some fresh air too. Cows do better with room to move too. And yes, she will get hot in there with no air moving. Even when I had cows penned in a shed with only 2 walls, I ran fans and sprayed them down regularly when it was hot.

Our cows have about 3 acres to graze in and we have a small, windowless, shed that they can go in and out of as they please. They almost always go in when the weather's bad.

Pigs really just need some place to get in out of the weather, but they'll need to have access to the outside as well. Is there any reason you can't fence around some of the trees and let the pigs roam in there?
post #7 of 9
I think you might want to re-evaluate your desire for a cow considering the piece of land you may be purchasing. Cows CAN and WILL eat brush, low tree branches, weeds and such... In fact it's a good thing to have access to that kind of stuff for a well rounded diet. But they really do need a substantial grazing area. At least an acre of quality forage per cow. You said there is one acre cleared, but some of that is undoubtedly taken up by the house, driveway, garage and whatnot. Not quite enough, even if it were all perfect grazing quality. Hay can be very expensive if it is your sole means of providing food for your cow. Probably too expensive to justify having the cow, really.

The garage doesn't really sound like adequate housing for a cow... Gotta have great ventilation. And she'd need to be able to come and go from that as she pleases based on the weather. You could throw a lean-to against the side of the garage though. If a cow is well fed/watered and healthy the only thing they really need in very hot or very cold weather is a roof over their heads. A carport might work on the side of the garage away from prevailing winds.

Your land sounds great for pigs... They can glean an AMAZING amount of food on their own given a diverse habitat. Oak trees are great, pigs LOVE acorns. I wouldn't put the pigs in the garage either, as they also need ventilation. That and they are VERY STRONG and tend to lean and scratch themselves on structures... Imagine the lower walls on the metal garage bowing outward. Not so good. I'd look into getting an heirloom breed of pig that's proven to be cold hardy... Then you won't have to worry so much about housing. They don't need anything fancy. In the winter I'd gave my pigs two big round-bales of hay on the covered concrete patio of a concrete block shed we have. They tore hay off the bales to make a big fluffy nest and slept between the bales and the side of the building. Not fancy, and they did just fine. Just a note... Our cows and our pigs get along dubiously at best. We have one cow that is a total bully and hassles the pigs whenever she gets the chance.

If you reason for having a cow is for dairy, you might want to consider goats. They do very well in strictly wooded areas(they eat up, more like deer) and require far less hay than keeping a cow. They are very sweet and lovable animals to boot.

I think that if you were to spend a summer clearing trees on an acre or so of the property and seeding the cleared area with a variety of nice forages you might be prepared for a cow after a year or so.

I'd forget trying to use the garage as it for an animal shelter. With the addition of some windows or another door or two it might work for cows or goats. But pigs are really tough on shelter if they want to be... Better to make them something easily fixable/cheap than put them in the nice garage. They also make portable pig shelters you can purchase, but I don't have any experience with them. My pigs are moving to my mom's place when we leave our farm, and I was thinking of making them a small three sided strawbale structure with a salvage wood and tin roof.

A recommendation... The Encyclopedia of Country Living by Carla Emery is AWESOME. I grew up country on a farm and know a bunch about everything, and her book is still a very valuable asset to me. It has a comprehensive section on EVERYTHING. A purchase worthy of every cent of the $25 we spent.
post #8 of 9
The biggest issue with penning cows and pigs together is that cows lay down a LOT. Pigs take advantage of this and bother them whenever they lay down.
post #9 of 9
We HAD a family cow for a while but actually sold her and expanded our milk goats instead. They are much cheaper and easier to feed off our land.. For a cow though most places a lean-to type shelter is good enough shelter. One other thing they don't like to be alone.. Ours got on quite well with the goats though she kept breaking into the barn and stealing their hay after eating her own and she was somewhat pushy with our pregnant goat at the time. The main reason besides cost of feeding her that we sold her was that she was not bomb proof around the kids, she dod run the fence once at them so we wanted the kids to be in with the goats and be safe, they weren't with "MooMoo" there. But we LOVE LOVE LOVE our milk goats, they are AMAZING!!
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