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Help for my Dad, with cholesterol and CAD

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This is going to be long, so hold onto your seats!

All growing up, my Mom tried to be a healthy cook. Whole grains, no refined flours, very low sugar, lots of fruits, veggies, organ meats, no frying, no processed junk. Of course at some point she started listening to talk of liver, butter, milk, etc. being bad for you, and started using margarine, skim milk, lean meat. But she didn't switch to more sugar, white bread, or the like.

About 10 years later Dad's cholesterol was over 350. He took 6 months to try to lower it with diet, and it only crept higher. So, he started on Statin drugs.
Every time he has tried going off of them, his cholesterol has gone back up again. The doctor says it's genetic/familial high cholesterol, and it's his liver making too much.

Dad's cholesterol has now gone down to 160, which is great, but guess what? He was just diagnosed with ischemia--or coronary artery disease. Which he never had before, but now that his chol. has gone down, he has it. Shouldn't the opposite be true? I know you are all having a field day with this!

The doctor wants him to try to exercise more to strengthen his heart, and increase blood flow. But if his arteries are partially narrowed, then how is that going to work? Also, Dad has 1 prosthetic leg (from the war), and is over 60. So exercise is pretty difficult. He is using the treadmill and exercise bike.

But something about this whole thing just doesn't ring true to me.

Dad is now remarried, and eats slightly better than the SAD. Skim milk, whole grains, Heart Smart spread, lean meat & poultry, some white sugar, not enough fruits and veggies.

Stepmom and I had a talk the other day and she is totally interested in the idea traditional foods. I think I could get her on board with most of it, but not all of it (fermenting, soaking, organ meats I know for sure she wouldn't do). But grass fed milk, butter, meats, pastured eggs and poultry, cod liver oil, more produce, I think she would do.

That said, I will admit that I am very scared, as his daughter, to advise on his diet, then someday have him have a heart attack, and blame myself. I always think "what if we're all wrong about this? what if all this fat and cholesterol is really bad for us?" My health could take a hit because I'm young, and I could always reverse the damage in time. But a 60+ year old man? Not so much. I almost want to be hands off of the whole situation. But on the other hand, what if I could actually help?

Stepmom wants me to sit down with her and share some knowledge. What on earth do I say? What could help my Dad?

Thanks for hanging in there and reading this far!
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I wanted to add one more thing: I think for the average person whose body is working correctly, that traditional foods are the way to go, and fat and cholesterol are not to be feared. But what about if your liver is messed up and making too much cholesterol? Why does that happen? Do the same rules still apply to eating then? How would you "reset" your liver?

And FWIW...I know that many people don't believe that high cholesterol means anything at all. I'm not really sure I buy that. I don't think that if it was a little over 200 and your LDL and HDL were good numbers that I would worry. But when it's 350, I would be worried.
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Okay, this is swell. After doing some research online last night, it seems that Statin drugs can cause depleted and weakened heart muscle , because it reduces production of CoQ-10 and mevalonate (in order to keep cholesterol at bay)--but CoQ-10 is also needed for a strong heart. This is great. Just great. NOT!

I emailed a medical article to my Dad highlighting this information, and asked him to please do me a favor and start taking a CoQ-10 supplement.

I know this part of my post is better suited to Health and Healing, but it's all interwoven together.
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sent you a PM.

Pat
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Originally Posted by daisymommy View Post
I wanted to add one more thing: I think for the average person whose body is working correctly, that traditional foods are the way to go, and fat and cholesterol are not to be feared. But what about if your liver is messed up and making too much cholesterol? Why does that happen? Do the same rules still apply to eating then? How would you "reset" your liver?

And FWIW...I know that many people don't believe that high cholesterol means anything at all. I'm not really sure I buy that. I don't think that if it was a little over 200 and your LDL and HDL were good numbers that I would worry. But when it's 350, I would be worried.
I'd focus on decreasing the work on the liver (toxins, pesticides, alcohol, medications, environmental toxins, heavy metals, etc.) and decreasing the inflammatory process in the body (greens, beans, legumes, liver, probiotics, Omega 3 fatty acids, vit A&D, vit C, etc).


Pat
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I don't know if blood pressure is at all related to coronary artery disease, but my dad had VERY high blood pressure (190/106 was a freaky reading he had), and was recommended to take water pills and then statins by his doc. (He took the water pills, not the statins, and weaned off the water pills in 2 weeks.) He treated himself w/ a bunch of supps (including CoQ10, fish oil, magnesium, vit D, and maybe some others) and by making a huge change in diet to a high/moderate (good) fat and protein, lower carb diet of whole foods. (His staples now are meat, veggies, and some dairy and fruit, with a single peice of whole grain toast in the morning w/ his eggs. Everything is cooked in butter--no 'heart healthy' vegetable oils.) He brought his blood pressure down quite quickly (it now runs on average around 110/70ish, when his old 'normal' was at least 150/85) and now feels amazing, and certainly is NOT eating low fat. (He had his very high reading in April of this year, so the changes he's made have happened in just the past 3 months!) Here is a link to more details about his situation: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ressure-and-PB (The forum that link is on is also about a traditional foods way of eating, with a more paleo/primal slant--so eating traditional foods but mostly avoiding/limiting grains and legumes, just fyi.)

Here is a cholesterol primer from the same forum, which *may* be of help/interest to you?? And a guide to cholesterol which may also be helfpul?? I find that forum and blog very helpful, and it's another one of my go-to places for all info nutrition and health related (besides MDC). I'd totally recommend posting there as well if you think it might be helfpul. There are many male posters in those forums as well, who may have experiences w/ some of the same issues your dad is going through, and might have some helpful info to share.


I don't know enough about all of this, or if it even relates, but I just wanted to share. I know it's scary when trying to help a family member who is having health issues and not being certain if you are 'right' about all this. I'm thrilled about my dad's positive outcomes, and grateful as well that I shared what I'd learned about food w/ him--it was a leap of faith for me and him, for sure. At the same time, a big part of me feels that if you stick to eating what your ancestors would have eaten over the past 10 or 100 thousand years (or so) you really won't go wrong healthwise...

Good luck with all of this!
post #7 of 7
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Thanks so much Lauren and Pat! I took a ton of notes, and made a list of things to share with my Stepmom. Hopefully she can put them into place with Dad's diet. He is one of those "I'll just eat whatever you feed me" sort of guy, who doesn't make it into the kitchen much. Which can be bad or good depending on how you look at it
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