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[aweynsayl]

waaahooo, this thread is rockin'!

FR, i love that. ahhhh.


i think, clay, that maybe i mistook what you were saying...

this camp has ended up, for me, being less about "do it now" as i'd been thinking of it (a list of daily tasks) and more about healing our relationship to those things we're all supposed to do (the 5Rs).

i am confused by your assertion that we need to stick to "do it now" and not get tripped up by the big picture, though. i mean, i "get" it, but i think i was taking it as a reply to something i'd said, and i'm trying to figure out if i was meaning that, or if something i said was taken that way... dang, i wish my head was less filled with crud! i think i might try to edit my post to be more clear... uh, if i'm able.

i do wish i'd been well and coherent for camp... i swear, i had some really fun ideas floating in my head last weekend (should have written them down, lesson learned!).... but (greedy me)... i wound up getting more out of it than i would have if i'd gone thru it with my list in hand.


anyone up for a discussion on the difference between "restore" and "renew"? it's been bugging me.....

[wombatclay]

a hmmmm and a and back to hmmmmm...

For me, I tend to look at the big picture and get depressed because I feel like nothing I do has an impact. I think it's why the motivated moms system works for me... pre-MM I might have said "today I shall clean the fridge!" but then life would happen and by the end of the day only two shelves would be clean. I'd feel bad that I didn't actually clean the fridge and this feeling would spiral into my feeling like I couldn't do anything, why bother, I can't do it, etc etc etc. But mm says "today clean one shelf in the fridge". And if I start and life happens and I only clean two shelves then I'm actually ahead of the game! I'm a cleaning superstar, a capable person who went above and beyond! And that leads to a sense of competence and ability and satisfaction. The exact same amount of cleaning happened, but the personal/emotional result is different and the downstream impact on the order of my home/the people around me is pretty different too.

It seems like people often look towards the ultimate goal, become frustrated/depressed when they can't reach that goal or the problems seem too big to surmount, and then don't even do the small things they can because they figure "what the heck, it wont work or make a difference anyway". But if you do that one small thing it builds confidence to do the next small thing and then the next. Kind of like the story about the little girl and the starfish? If you look at all the starfish and give up because saving them all is just too hard... all the starfish are lost and you are depressed. But if you throw back just one... it makes a difference to that specific starfish and it makes a difference to you too. And maybe then you'll throw back another. And then you'll call a friend and you'll both throw back the starfish. And the person walking past might stop to help. And before you know it... the starfish are back in the ocean. But it wouldn't have happened if someone didn't throw that first starfish back.

I think it's actually just the other side of what you are saying about needing to believe. I need to learn to "do it now"... to throw that first starfish back right now... and build on that one living starfish in order to believe that all the starfish can be saved.

(to drag an analogy kicking and screaming past the point of reason )

[wombatclay]

Restore: To bring back into existence or use
Renew: To make new or as if new again

But more than a handful of dictionaries have the two words appearing in the definition of the other (so renew is to restore and vice versa)!

I think in my inner ear Restore is more external and Renew is more internal. I renew my soul, I restore the forests? But then there is the saying "restore health" and that is...

Hmmmm... there is something teasing my mind and I can't pin it down... about health, and inward vs outward, renew and restore. Health that is restored comes from outside...something is done to bring back the state of health. Health that is renewed is being fed from within. I think. Maybe. I should probably go take my shower and get some sleep and see if this makes more sense to me in the morning.

I think that by renewing my heart's home I will be more able to restore the world around me.

[tallulahma]

As I slink in after a looooong mdc break.....

The seed to return was planted by a lovely lady this afternoon.... jUST the right moment.

We are moving and have no furniture or anything- just waldorf furniture and play stuff and kitchen supplies.

We kept figuring on going to Ikea and grabbing some cheap filler stuff. But my HEART craves wood ,the smell of beeswax and wool.

Im reading all these posts and thinking of my week in the redwoods where i kept thinking, "i want to live HERE"

I have really gotten away from being dedicated to my more intentional and purposeful life.

So excited about this camp


Off to catch up.....

[aweynsayl]

:j oy
oh, sweetest! joyful dance of joy!

maybe that's why i'm so obsessed about the floors... because we have nothing to go IN the house.

i'm *sure* you could find some amazing locally made stuff. maybe i need to come visit you and help. (and go camping in redwoods... i know someone else who would come play!) then you can come visit me and help me.




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renew vs restore. i like your notion, clay. esp re: health.
and-- "I think that by renewing my heart's home I will be more able to restore the world around me." that's exactly why i felt HH needed to be part of earth camp.

as for the getting lost in the details vs big picture, it's funny, and i was really kind of muddled about it... then i just about crashed, and HAD to take time away from the computer and the house, and a dear friend visited, and my muddle lifted, and it all became clear(er) to me. when i'm living purely in the step by step, detailed bits... "now choose wall color, now choose floor color..." i start to drown. but when i stop looking close up, my eyes uncross, i can begin to "see" the big picture again, and peace is (somewhat) restored(or renewed? ) it's like for me, seeing the big picture means it can come into existence, and i can feel it and taste it... then i have to go back to "now, make this one small step" and i get frustrated and lose focus and start yelling at the floor. or the lights (or lack thereof). a voice in my head is now saying: "it's balance, dear libra." balance. it's funny though, because what you describe makes sense to me. and i was trying to use it to help me.... but what i really needed was to step back. i wonder if meyers briggs types doesnt play in here at all. s vs n, j vs p? i dunno. it's interesting.

well, thank you for camp, clay.
it only took us, what, two years? to finally "talk" about HH. maybe this means our houses will be done soon, too.
hugs!

[wombatclay]

And thank YOU m'dear!

I'm thinking we might want to start a Heart's Home thread in Religious Studies... I'd love to keep the discussion going and open it up to all sorts of views!

Interesting about the big picture/small picture tensions. I like looking at the big picture, and it gives me hope, but then I totally trip over the details and get frustrated. But I know people who are more on your path where they kind of see the goal and just "make it so". I think dd1 might be like that... she gets frustrated by the steps and is all about manifesting the vision.

There is a discussion about the impact of c/s birth on a person's development... people who were labor cesarean born vs those who were non-labor cesarean born. I'm not sure I agree with all the details, but it sort of boils down to the mosaic vs the individual tiles too. (cesarean voices is the website, there is a book of the same name)

[Maiasaura]

Are we done already?? With all the camps? Wow, that was fast.

How about we have a wrap-up? How it's affected us in whatever ways. Ya think?

[aweynsayl]

i think you know i'd love a HH thread!

i'm thinking small picture big picture has got to be at least in part myers briggs.... it makes sense for me to be soothed by big picture. it's sort of where i feel at home. example from the house-- we painted the walls, but not the trim, because i felt i need to live in it for a while before deciding what to do with the trim... i need the full picture to make the detailed choice... ?? i'm a total np, though, so that, i'm sure is part of it.

ds (non-labor) is totally detail oriented, but in a flexible way. i read that site when he was born, but i forget all it said. he's not proven many if any of the c-s kids rules so far, though. i have my own theories about that, which is funny, because reading all of that made me wonder if my own month-early-super-fast-birth has affected me (my answer- YES).

maia, there's week 4! maybe that will end with a re-cap. interesting idea! it's sure got me thinking in different ways!


(from ds)

[wombatclay]

Maia- there is a week four going on now!

[tallulahma]

Originally Posted by aweynsayl

:j oy
oh, sweetest! joyful dance of joy!

maybe that's why i'm so obsessed about the floors... because we have nothing to go IN the house.

i'm *sure* you could find some amazing locally made stuff. maybe i need to come visit you and help. (and go camping in redwoods... i know someone else who would come play!) then you can come visit me and help me.




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my heart would stop (within safe limits) if you came.

we found a place and its on a lagoon. [sigh]

and surely if you came here jared couldnt refuse me another tucson trip

[tallulahma]

Originally Posted by wombatclay

And thank YOU m'dear!

I'm thinking we might want to start a Heart's Home thread in Religious Studies... I'd love to keep the discussion going and open it up to all sorts of views!

id looove that!

Originally Posted by wombatclay

Maia- there is a week four going on now!

ahhhh another thread to stay up way too late with tonight!

[aweynsayl]

jen~

clay.... so, i'm hoping you're still sub'ed to this thread... i am, cause i keep hoping there will be a little link fairy that will link a link to a hh thread..................

[wombatclay]

I'm being greedy... since I leave for vacation in just a few days I don't want to miss out! However... let me think...

[_ktg_]

Clay & Aweyn - Thank you so much for this camp!

It was wonderful and made me realize where my heart home is... and how to build it into my daily life and current house.