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Neighbor kids dilemma

post #1 of 11
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Our neighbor kids, a 6yo girl and a 4yo boy, are concerning me a bit. They have a new baby sister, and the mom and baby are inside all day and the two kids are outside all day, every day. That in and of itself isn't necessarily worrisome -- I know plenty of people who spent their childhoods outside and loved it. But I get an "off" feeling with these kids sometimes.

They often tell me they're hungry -- the boy has knocked on my door before just to tell me that he was hungry (I told him to go home and tell his mom and he said okay, but I didn't watch to see if he did). And this morning we ran into them when we were walking home from the park and the girl kept asking my DS what he had for breakfast and whether he had any left. I know that stuff could be just innocent child's chatter (and the kids are thin but not scrawny), but it keeps sticking out in my mind.

Also, they were kind of far from their house when we saw them this morning -- I was surprised to see them and looked around to see if their mom was nearby. When I didn't see her I asked if they were supposed to be there by themselves and the girl said, "Yes, we can go to the park and back." Again, I know different families have different rules about stuff like this, and the park is pretty close as the crow flies, but to get there you have to go around several neighborhood street corners and down a long path in between two apartment buildings. But I guess, since they're outside all day, they have to be able to go to the park and play...

I don't know, no one thing really stands out as Absolutely Wrong, but it's all starting to add up and give me a bad feeling. I feel bad for them and want to (and do!) give them some attention, but honestly we don't play out front very often, and for some reason I feel uncomfortable having them in our backyard or our house (and obviously I won't let my DS go over to their house), so we don't get much opportunity to hang out with them. And of course their mom could be depressed or the baby could be high-needs and that may be contributing to this stuff with the older kids. We moved into the neighborhood a few months ago, right when the baby was born, so I don't know how things were with them before.

Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I guess just an outsider's perspective -- someone who can see things more clearly or has BTDT and has some advice.
post #2 of 11
Have you met the parents? If I were in that situation, I would bake a pie or something, go over and introduce myself or (if already introduced) congratulate them on the new baby. Maybe it would give you better clues as to the family dynamic or the mom's situation.
post #3 of 11
Sounds like the mum is probably just overwhelmed with the new baby. My neighbours have been fantastic with my older child since DD was born. It has been so helpful to let him play with their children, knowing they the mum is watching, while I get a break. I would say, go over with food, or maybe a gift of some baby thing your kids have outgrown, and say 'I remember what it was like when my youngest was a baby. I'd love to have your kids over on Wednesday for the morning to give you a break.' She might jump at the chance or she might say, 'Oh thanks but they just like to play in the neighbourhood and I'm fine with that'. Either way, you'll get a sense of what's going on. You could also ask if it's OK to share snacks with her kids if you happen to be out with some.
post #4 of 11
yeah but when you get a bad feeling, there's usually a reason.

i agree with PP that if you can find a way to stop by the mom's house, you will answer a lot of your own questions there.

also don't be afraid to ask the 6 and 4 year olds directly next time they bring up the subject of food and being hungry -- what did you have for breakfast, what are you having for dinner, etc.
post #5 of 11
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Thanks for the replies.

I have met the mom once, on the 4th of July we had a neighborhood parade and I made a point to walk with her to try to get to know her a little. She seemed very friendly and smiled a lot, but there's a language barrier so we couldn't say much beyond talking about how cute the kids were and how much fun they were having.

This evening I did notice them all hanging out in their open garage for a while -- the mom was doing laundry and the kids were riding scooters and talking (in nice-sounding tones) with each other and with her. So who knows, maybe I just happened to catch them at strange times over the past few weeks or something.
post #6 of 11
Outside all day wouldn't bother me, as my dd is outside all day almost every day by choice.

The hunger thing could be an issue, but on the other hand every single child who comes to my house or yard acts like they're starving to death and needs a snack right that second. I don't know if they think we have better food than they have at home? I think the other moms give the same snacks I give. I have a suspicion my dd acts very hungry at other houses, too. This is different in different neighborhoods, but in our neighborhood we all know each other and all the kids' particular food issues really well, and we all feed each other's kids. So maybe in my neighborhood the kids know they can ask for food from me just like at home? And I've overheard my dd and neighbohood kids talk, and the topic of "what did you have for dinner" followed by "yum" or "do you still have any?" is a pretty typical conversation.

The only thing that sounds odd to me is the kids, particularly the younger one, walking several blocks to a park. I would let my dd now at 8 walk a few blocks to a park, but I wouldn't let a 4-year-old go that far supervised only by a 6-year-old. I'm not sure about the 6-year-old, I'd have to see the specific arrangement and just where the park is, but not supervising a 4-year-old. However, this mom speaks a different language, so maybe she's from someplace where kids have more freedom than is typical here? I'm a big fan of giving kids freedom so I wouldn't judge that decision. And I wandered that far when I was 6 with my little brother, so maybe I'm the one who is wrong about that.

I guess while the speicifics don't concern me, since your gut has you wondering, I'd chat with the mom and maybe see if she's overwhelmed with the baby and having trouble.
post #7 of 11
About food--if the family is of a different ethnicity they might be serving traditional foods in their home, and the kids might be curious about North American food.

My kids are outside all day, and I bet there are times when they ARE starving, but refuse to come home and eat because they are having so much fun. So if their game came to a natural pause, and there was another adult next to them, I'm sure they'd act like they've never eaten.
post #8 of 11
I would tell them to go ask their mom for food. If you want to feed them when they ask then I think you should ask one of the parents if that is okay. I don't think giving them a fruit would be a big deal, but it can get pricey to do that everyday.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by midnightwriter View Post
About food--if the family is of a different ethnicity they might be serving traditional foods in their home, and the kids might be curious about North American food.

My kids are outside all day, and I bet there are times when they ARE starving, but refuse to come home and eat because they are having so much fun. So if their game came to a natural pause, and there was another adult next to them, I'm sure they'd act like they've never eaten.
Yeah, I can see that. These kids never look like they're in the middle of a fun game though -- the only thing I've ever seen them do is ride their scooter and trike slowly up and down the street.

We have plans to go out and play with them in a couple of hours, so maybe I'll get a better sense of things then (and since that's our usual snack time, maybe I'll cut up some fruit and put it on the table on the front porch for all the kids to pick at while they play).
post #10 of 11
I came back the the thread to tell you that my 4 year old neighbour was trying to take off to the park across the street yesterday. She SWORE she was allowed and was even trying to get my 3 year old to come along. I didn't believe her and went to her house to tell her nanny. Sure enough, she wasn't allowed and got into a bit of trouble for lying. My point being, you might want to check with the mum to see if they really are allowed at that park. I know language is an issue but you could try, right?

I think it's great that you are making an effort with these kids. I love being in a community where all the kids know each other and the parents, share snacks, swap playdates, etc. When my son hid from me a couple of weeks ago all the neighbours were looking for him. This family may be used to more support and may be feeling isolated. Let us know how it goes.
post #11 of 11
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Thanks Boot -- I'll try to mention it to the mom next time I talk to her just to be sure.

We played with them a little while ago and everything seemed perfectly normal. They weren't outside when we went out to play (unusual already! ), so we went to their house to get them and the mom came to the door with them and was very pleasant, and the kids were freshly bathed and totally uninterested in the apples and grapes I had put out. They had a great time riding scooters and playing ball with my kids and we made plans to play again in a few days. Also, they went back in their house when we were done playing instead of staying out, so maybe all the times I've seen them out it's just because ... that's where they want to be.

So, they might have just had a few off days that I happened to notice, or the mom is getting into a groove with the new baby, or maybe I was reading something that wasn't there into the situation. The mom's comfort level in terms of supervision is different enough from mine that I still won't allow my kids to go play at their house, but based on how things went today everything seemed well within the range of normal.
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