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I feel like I'm drowning!

post #1 of 11
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I will try not to make this too long It has been a while since I've posted here, but when things get really rough this board always gives me inspiration.

History: We have had custody of DF's four daughters for 2 years. Child and Youth placed them with us because their mother chose to stay with her boyfriend after DSD alleged that he molested her. Despite a failed lie detector test and many experts conceding abuse took place, the boyfriend won an appeal because DSD recanted. Once the appeal was won mom decided she wanted her kids back and sued for custody. We have been in the midst of a custody battle for about a year. So far we have retained custody, but every hearing infuriates us. At the last one the judge ordered that we had to send the girls to their mother's 3 weekends a month and that the boyfriend was allowed to be there. Crazy, crazy, ruling considering that Child and Youth and the court appointed therapist took the stand stating strongly that the girls should never be allowed around him. In fact his own daughter alleged abuse and he is only allowed supervised visits with her. Anyway I'm rambling now, my point is who knows what the court will decide next.

We have another custody hearing next week. DF is freaking that he might lose the girls. Their mother has decided to subpoena them AGAIN and every weekend she badgers them about what to say on the stand. She uses emotional blackmail and says if they say the wrong thing she'll never see them again. She tells them that their counselor is a moron, drama queen, and betrays their confidences. She urges them all not to speak to the counselor anymore. So here we have 4 little girls (4,8,9,, and 11) who are terrified of court, of losing their mom, and feel like they can't talk to their counselor. So basically every Sunday we pick up kids that are off the wall. Their behavior has regressed unbelievably as the new court date approaches. They are miserable. On top of the basic day to day chores involved in raising 6 kids (I have two of my own) I now deal with misery, tattling, fighting, lying, disrespect and general anarchy all day. The 4 year old cries about EVERYTHING, the 8 year old spends her day creating situations that hurt the feelings of the other kids, the 9 year old is dissociating and acting very clingy and whiney, and the 11 year old is being nasty to everyone. I am burnt out. I try everything in my bag of loving, understanding tricks and nothing works. I know they need me now,but how can I keep them afloat when I feel like I'm drowning? DF is supportive, but he himself is completely overwhelmed. I'm feeling really unappreciated and used right now and don't know how to get through this next week. DF brought them to work today so I could have a day off and I know I'm supposed to be appreciative of that, but I find myself feeling resentful that it's not enough. Thanks for letting me vent......
post #2 of 11


I don't have any advice, but your story breaks my heart.
FC
post #3 of 11
The court system is so messed up. Why does it seem like judges don't have any common sense. Hearing things like this make me so worried for my DH's upcoming court dates.

I pray it works out for you!
post #4 of 11
My kids acted like this when they were being manipulated by their grandparents (DD was ultra-clingy, DS was argumentative/hostile) The only thing I found that really helped was spending as much time as possible outside.

My kids never had to take the stand, but I think the best thing to say is just that they'll ALWAYS be able to see their mom, no matter what, and the best thing they can do is answer questions honestly, to help the Judge make a good decision.

Kids know when there's an ulterior motive... anyone who's tried to get them to bed quickly so they can get on to their evening plans knows that... they can pick up on tiny little cues you don't even know you're sending out. When it's all-out emotional blackmail, kids grow to resent it. My son is 8 and for at least a year, I can see it in him when he's on the phone with his grandparents, or when he's going on an outing with them. He's very reserved with them, he's got a wall up. he knows he can't completely trust them. It SUCKS that that's the reality, but it's comforting that he has that natural defense where he's protecting himself. His grandparents' behaviour damaged their own relationship with him, not his relationship with me. When we were in the middle of it, I took the brunt of his frustration and confusion... it was really, really hard. When things settled down, I had his trust and his respect, and our relationship came through unscathed.

The kids are going haywire at your house because they CAN. It's safe there, they know they're loved unconditionally, and they know you aren't using them. It's hell to go through, but eventually it will be okay.
post #5 of 11
I wish I had something to say that would fix it, but it sounds like your thoughts and feelings are completely rational and the best that can be expected, under the circumstances. You understand why the girls are behaving the way they are. Your DF(?) understands that you need relief. You understand he's trying to give it to you, but that he's limited by work and his own stress. You recognize that getting a single day off wasn't enough to make you feel refreshed and renewed, so it's understandable that you're not grateful, like your DF might have hoped.

It is what it is - and you're seeing it clearly. It doesn't sound like you need advice or redirection, just sympathy. Well, you have it!!

Just one question: Have you appealed any of these insane-sounding rulings, or requested a change of judge? I know those things don't come free. I'm just curious.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the support ladies! We did appeal the last decision regarding the boyfriend being present, but the judge refused to hear our appeal. If this next hearing does not go well we will request a change of venue to the county we live in. I went out to dinner with friends tonight and I do feel a bit better. I needed the break! I'm trying to take it one day at a time and hoping for the best.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
We did appeal the last decision regarding the boyfriend being present, but the judge refused to hear our appeal.
Here, you do have to ask the judge to "correct errors" before you may file an appeal with a higher court. And, in my husband's experience, the judge always ignores such requests. But the judge has a finite number of days to respond (even if the response is doing nothing) and if he doesn't address your complaints satisfactorily, you may then appeal to a higher court. Have you tried that, so the issue can be heard by someone else?

Also, here each party in a divorce/custody case has one opportunity to request a change of judge, without giving a reason (i.e., you don't have to prove the judge did anything wrong, nor even bother accusing him of wrongdoing). Do you have that right in PA? Getting a new trial-court judge was essential to my husband winning custody.

Please don't interpret my questions as a suggestion that you guys aren't doing enough. I know sometimes the court system just fails people. I'm asking partly because I'm curious how things work - and what people are up against - elsewhere. But I'm also asking just in case you and your DF have options (or may have options in the future) of which your attorney has failed to apprise you.
post #8 of 11
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I didn't know that was an option, but I will definitely ask the attorney about it when we see him Monday. Unfortunately we've been told by everyone that we got lucky with the judge we have as he is the most father friendly. It is still worth looking into a change, though.
I did a lot of soul searching on my day alone and I think part of what is coming up for me is there is a piece of me that wants her to win so we can stop fighting. Obviously I don't truly want them to go back and be in harms way, but selfishly I want this drama to be done. I think the guilt from that was weighing me down a bit, but my friends helped me feel okay about having normal, human emotions I have a lot of ambivalence about being involved in this situation and involving my children in such a stressful environment. When things get tough I start really questioning my choices....I'm taking the pressure off right now and just waiting to see how things are after this next hearing.
Thanks so much! I will definitely keep you posted!
post #9 of 11
just a hug

i am so sorry to read that where you live they actually put children on the stand and get them to testify. how hurtful for a child to have to face their parents and chose. the guilt ramifications later. the closest thing they have here is a family court therapist counselor come in and interview the children, their parents, teacher, other family members from both sides, who ever else has a fair deal of involvment in the childs life. then they make a decision which they send to both sides and the judge and then a decision is made based on that report. the judge rarely if ever lies eyes on the children involved.
i hope everything goes your way, and will keep you in my thoughts, and check for updates to how it all works out for you, hang in there, remember to breath and be gentle with yourself and others

v
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
Court is over and we have custody!! No more hearings until next August and then it will just be a brief review. The girls had a hard time testifying and were visibly shaken, but they were brave and got through it. I wish their mom had not forced them into that position, but the lawyers and judge apparently handled it kindly. Mom's bf is allowed around them but mom has to be there to supervise (conflict of interest, anyone?). The court gave her two weeks with them which began today and while I'm nervous for their emotional well being I am selfishly happy for the break.
post #11 of 11
Congratulations! Enjoy your two weeks off, and look foward to less drama than you've been dealing with lately when they get back. They will be less freaked out and scared of the future.

How much visitation was ordered (and how insane that mom can "supervise" the bf she repeatedly, obviously chooses over the girls!)
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