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post #41 of 186
I'm sorry that you don't have more support.

I do think, though, that you are setting yourself up for disappointment by continuing to have unrealistic expectations of your MIL. If you expect nothing from her, you won't ever be disappointed.

Like another poster said, grieve for what you don't have and move on. It is not worth your time to dwell on a relationship that will never be.

post #42 of 186
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Ya know... it's possible that your SIL is on a forum somewhere posting about how put out she feels because her MIL comes to visit too frequently and she suspects it's just because they have a pool and want a cheap vacation!

She may be saying something like, "They invite themselves to our house multiple times a year and expect to be catered to all day. They don't interact with the children unless hubby and I force them to by going away for a couple of days. I swear, if we didn't go to a hotel, I'd likely be strangling my MIL!

I'm so jealous of my SIL. Even though she lives much closer to the in-laws, they never bother her... probably because they know that since she works outside of the home, she's not available to make their morning coffee, whip together a gourmet lunch, make sure the beach towels are clean and dry and keep the children quiet so that they can nap."

Eh? Eh?? Sound plausible??
Ha.

You may be right. Good point.

(Are you my SIL, secretly??)

I'm sure at certain times, my SIL may have thought some of these things. I know there has been a time or two where the inlaws sort of wore out their welcome.

Generally, though, I think my SIL loves that they visit the length they do and as frequently. It allows her to run errands and to get away for a few days.

She's also mentioned to me several times how good of care the inlaws take of her two young children. And how our inlaws come down and spend hundreds of dollars each time on them to help out and to be nice. My inlaws have been fairly generous with the other set of the family.

But yeah, you may have a point about perspectives.
post #43 of 186
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And they have a POOL! You can't compete with that, can you?

No, I guess not. We're never gonna have a pool. And we're not in the climate for it.

Yes, I'm sure my inlaws love flying away, going to a warmer climate, sitting pool side, etc.

They've mentioned that many times. They like the heat. They like the pool. BIL has a giant flat screen that's like - what's the big dimension - 50 in? Bigger? I don't know.

My inlaws LOVE that.

They've mentioned it.

Funny story...we have a small 19 inch tv as the main tv. It's one of the heavy, old ones. I don't put much priority on tv. My mother-in-law was at our house a year or so ago and said, "That little tv is what you watch??"

She was pretty shocked. Not their style. Not that they're all about tv, but as DH says, it's what they understand. They don't get the smaller, older tv.

There is also a guest bedroom, I guess, and we do not have one. I'm sure that has come up because my SIL once said her advice was to "buy a bed."

I don't think my inlaws understand how tight finances are when you are paying for daycare. They don't get that. They never paid for daycare. DH's mom stayed home for 9 years.

So, yeah, I guess we can't compete. I'm not Suzy Homemaker...sorry...I just don't have the time nor the money to put together a nice vacation package for my inlaws at my house. I wish that didn't get in the way of them wanting to visit, but I guess it does.

Also, my attitude is that they are unfair, because they are and have been for years, and they don't like that attitude however justified.
post #44 of 186
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My MIL is really, really helpful.

My own mother really wants to be, but it rarely works out. There's the germ phobia (so she can't help if my son is sick, at least not with certain kinds of illness) and a bunch of other reasons. She has helped sometimes; I'm not trying to say she hasn't. But it is always on her terms and it's not something I can rely on for the most part (sometimes if it's extreme enough she will sort of rouse herself).

But I also jumped in because my mother loves to stay with my sister and brother-in-law. They tend to have large "McMansion" type homes - really lovely and really new and really sterile, and with big guest bedrooms with nothing in the closets and their own bathrooms. Which is great. I live in an urban area where space is at a premium (although we're suburban) and I guess I also have a philosophy that our space is primarily for us to live in, so we don't have dedicated guest rooms - we have rooms with pull-out couches that are also dens and such.

In my defense I have to say my space is clean and not very cluttered and it's pleasant, I think. But we don't own houses where we have sort of no-live zones.

Anyways my mother lives close, but when we were thinking of moving further away she out and out told me she prefers to stay with my sister and that she prefers how my sister and her husband live. Even though I was 34 and had had therapy wow did that ever hurt. There's no question that we're more laid-back and casual and not all my cutlery matches, but not only did I not think that was very important - when I was growing up my parents were hippies and TAUGHT me that those things were NOT IMPORTANT.

So I felt really cheated.

However, after years of mulling it over I've realized that's my mom. She does at this point prefer my sister and...it sucks and I really don't think parents should ever SAY that...but that's how it is. I try to just work with her and my relationship where it is rather than comparing.

The irony is...years later, she basically implied to my sister that I'm a better mother...WHAT??? My sister is the best mother to her child that she can be. It's nuts.

I hope you can find support, but it doesn't sound like your MIL is it. I was wondering if you guys had room for an au pair on top of your daycare? (Some more money, definitely some space loss.) It might help.
Well, once again, my friend, I feel like you get this and put it in perspective.

Thank you.

We are so alike, you and I. What you described is my philosophy about life and space. I don't like clutter. A few years ago I began reading the decluttering forum here on MDC and books like the Not So Big House. I decided I was going to declutter my home and 4 years later, it's pretty decluttered. If anything is unuseful, doesn't have a space, and unnecessary, I donate it.

I don't have a lot of pictures on the walls (just some of my son's art work). I put all breakable knick knack kind of stuff like picture frames and some small pieces of art in storage in boxes when I babyproofed and the rest I donated. I do miss a few of the special pieces but with an ADHD pre-schooler running around, I'm going to wait a few years before setting them out again.

We don't own a lot of furniture. We got rid of a worn, sagging love seat/couch that was really too short about a year ago and I haven't replaced it due to finances and instability with DH. What am I going to do? Buy a new couch and then try to sell my house and move into an apartment? Now isn't the time to buy furniture.

But MIL mentions the missing couch...a lot. We have chairs. No couch. Sorry.
MIL also mentioned to my DH she doesn't like visiting because our home isn't homey. She noted the lack of pictures on the walls and a few storage boxes. She doesn't like it.

We have a very small tv by American standards. MIL also has pointed this out. We have a small, older 19 inch tv for the main, living room tv. I shut it in a cabinet. I don't think tv is important and I never want it to be the centerpiece of my living room, you know? With all furniture oriented around the tv? Nope. Not my style.

We also do not have a guest bedroom. And we have no plans to add one soon. When MIL comes, she uses an inflatable mattress. I don't see a problem with that.

By contrast, MIL and FIL have a giant television with all furniture oriented towards it. BIL does, too. MIL and FIL love the giant flat screen tv. It's something understand, as DH has said. They don't get a 19 inch tv. They think it's sort of crazy.

MIL and FIL love BIL's in ground pool. He lives in a warmer climate where it makes sense to have a pool, I guess. I on the other hand am an environmentalist and I probably would not have a personal play pool for water conservation reasons and money pit reasons. I like the public pool and splash park (free!). But MIL and FIL love in ground pools.

We don't have a grill. We don't grill a lot of food. I'm vegetarian and I don't buy meat for the house. MIL and FIL love to grill and to see a vegetarian meal as missing the main course. So, of course they love the grill BIL has and have spoken of it fondly.

Let's see...I'm sure there are other things.

Yes, we definitely have different lifestyles. FIL smokes and I don't allow smoking in my house. I have a child with asthma. My own dad smokes and when he visits, I treat him the same as I treat my FIL, but FIL gets offended and sullen while my dad takes it in stride. My son gets on both my dad and FIL to stop smoking because it's bad for your health. My dad responds by saying, "hey, kid, good job, maybe you'll save me money if I quit!" FIL gets mightily offended and thinks I'm feeding my kid lines.

But still to hear MIL say she can't visit because I'm not a SAHM and SIL is just is crazy!! That's not the real reason!
post #45 of 186
Given all this, I have NO idea, why you'd want them to visit. Sounds like your values are in opposition, she criticizes your lifestyle and your parenting, and she's not interested in being part of your family. What would be the point? Any "help" she would give would be more trouble than it was worth.

I honestly don't get the gripe here. Yeah, I suppose it's "unfair," but so what? I don't want people in my life who are negative about my life.
post #46 of 186
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" and Dh said "well you haven't been invited yet, mom so that's a bit premature, isnt it?"




It seems like there are three distinct issues here.
1. this isn't fair and you want her to be fair.
2. you need help.
3. you want your ds to bond with your MIL.
other than wanting things to be fair, I think you need to really evaluate what exactly your child will gain from getting to bond with this woman. remember, she is a major part of the reason your dh is the way he is. Do you really want her having that kind of influence over who your ds turns out to be? If he is bonding to her, she will have that influence and control over him. I'm not sure that is really what you want to encourage.
As far as you getting the help you want, you probably need to look outside of family for that.
post #47 of 186
I struggle with this as well. in this case my FIL and his wife made several trips to see her grandnieces in ATL, but NEVER visited us only 4 hrs away. Even DHs brother gets more attention. They live 2 hrs away now and didn't even come up for DS's bday party with a month's notice, but drove 7 hrs for DH's niece's bday.

I strewed, I was angry, and you know what?

I just decided I was spending too much wasted energy on them. If they don't want the relationship with my kids, I can't force it. I will keep inviting them, and maybe someday they'll count all the times they've turned down our hospitality. Fortunately my kids have my parents that are enjoying their proximity.
post #48 of 186
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We have a very small tv by American standards. MIL also has pointed this out. We have a small, older 19 inch tv for the main, living room tv. I shut it in a cabinet. I don't think tv is important and I never want it to be the centerpiece of my living room, you know? With all furniture oriented around the tv? Nope. Not my style....

But still to hear MIL say she can't visit because I'm not a SAHM and SIL is just is crazy!! That's not the real reason!
I'm laughing because of the TV thing. My sister and BIL have a media room with a 72-inch projector and surround sound (or did; they're moving but their new house will too I'm sure) and then they have several other massive plasma TVs, and my BIL wired the house so you can play any movie they own from their video server to any television. It truly is television paradise.

We have a 22" colour television I bought used in 1998 (an upgrade from the black and white tv we had at that time) and I have to admit that the quality is pretty darn poor - it's not a visually rich experience (we do have nice speakers 'cause our stereo's on the same system and we have a music thing). And no cable. And I do think guests, particularly ones who stay over days we are working, can find it challenging, although I try to point them to our entire seasons of Mad Men and Heroes. And let them use our art gallery and museum membership which we buy in lieu of new TV sets.

I don't know why your MIL said that - I'm guessing she was searching for a reason for something she's never fully verbalized to herself and it came out wrong. And it was hurtful. And not right. And I realized reading that that of course it hit home because you do struggle with that life-work balance thing so hard every day right now.

You do deserve better...but I doubt it's going to happen y'know? It sucks.
post #49 of 186
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I'm laughing because of the TV thing. My sister and BIL have a media room with a 72-inch projector and surround sound (or did; they're moving but their new house will too I'm sure) and then they have several other massive plasma TVs, and my BIL wired the house so you can play any movie they own from their video server to any television. It truly is television paradise.

We have a 22" colour television I bought used in 1998 (an upgrade from the black and white tv we had at that time) and I have to admit that the quality is pretty darn poor - it's not a visually rich experience (we do have nice speakers 'cause our stereo's on the same system and we have a music thing). And no cable. And I do think guests, particularly ones who stay over days we are working, can find it challenging, although I try to point them to our entire seasons of Mad Men and Heroes. And let them use our art gallery and museum membership which we buy in lieu of new TV sets.

I don't know why your MIL said that - I'm guessing she was searching for a reason for something she's never fully verbalized to herself and it came out wrong. And it was hurtful. And not right. And I realized reading that that of course it hit home because you do struggle with that life-work balance thing so hard every day right now.

You do deserve better...but I doubt it's going to happen y'know? It sucks.
Thanks so much. You get it. Exactly.
post #50 of 186
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I struggle with this as well. in this case my FIL and his wife made several trips to see her grandnieces in ATL, but NEVER visited us only 4 hrs away. Even DHs brother gets more attention. They live 2 hrs away now and didn't even come up for DS's bday party with a month's notice, but drove 7 hrs for DH's niece's bday.

I strewed, I was angry, and you know what?

I just decided I was spending too much wasted energy on them. If they don't want the relationship with my kids, I can't force it. I will keep inviting them, and maybe someday they'll count all the times they've turned down our hospitality. Fortunately my kids have my parents that are enjoying their proximity.
Thanks. Yes, this is exactly what my feelings are from beginning to end. I am seeing there won't be fairness - sometimes I deal with that better than others. Most of the time, I get so busy with parenting, work, life that I don't have time to think about it.

It's when things start to get really stressful and I know I could use some help, and then I think of what MIL could help with if she did for us what she does for the other set of grandchildren that I get wishful, I guess.

But what can you do?

Just what you wrote in the last paragraph, I guess.

I was just mad as hell that she would use the excuse that I work and her other DIL is a stay-at-home mom. Not accurate, not right.

But, oh well.

I'm off to make my son pancakes and have a good Sunday on this sunny summer day. I'm not gonna ruin my entire weekend!
post #51 of 186
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Given all this, I have NO idea, why you'd want them to visit.


Yeah, I guess I don't really have a desire for them to visit, not for my sake.

I could use help, but that's probably not going to turn out OK even if things changed.

And so much has been said and done now that I don't think things will change.

I grieve for my son. It would be nice to have more resources for him. And people to love him and be there for him. That's the issue, but I am pretty adamant that they aren't allowed to treat him like he's less. No way. I'm sure they do love him, and I know they think I'm difficult and I'm the main problem, but they could make things fair if they wanted to.

Anyway, too much time devoted to thinking about my MIL and her inane comment.

I'm moving on to sunnier things.

Thanks for all the good thoughts and support. Love you all. Really.
post #52 of 186
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And let them use our art gallery and museum membership which we buy in lieu of new TV sets.
That is AWESOME. You rock. I'm laughing now in solidarity. That is totally something that I would do, for real, and that DH would roll his eyes about.

But I would love, love to visit someone and have them direct me to the art gallery or museum rather than their tv.

I'm very proud of my detachment from tv. I watch sometimes, mostly news, but I could easily live without it. I hate that my kid knows way too much about commercials and Disney and Nick Jr cartoons.

We enjoy dvds a lot, though. I'm a big lover of film. That's a main reason we have the tv in the cabinet with a dvd player.

And during election season I like to watch tv and if there's something on topically that I'd like to see. We watch a lot of PBS, CNN, and I do like Oprah. And reruns of the Office and, yes, Mad Men.

But we could easily have no tv and wouldn't miss it much.
post #53 of 186
side note: have you heard of tvbgone? it's a little device you can use to click off tvs in your presence- like you're at a restaurant and something violent comes on. mean and hysterical to use on the tv in every room set. . . .
post #54 of 186
Some of your descriptions of your home make me think of my ongoing discussions with dh.

He always says that he wants our house to be the house where the kids' friends want to hang out. OK, I have no problem with that and think it would be a good idea. But, he is completely unwilling to do anything that would make our house vaguely attractive to adolescents.

We have no air conditioning (his environmental sensibilities). We have one small TV in the family room with no cable. We don't like TV much and don't want the kids watching much of it. We have no space where kids could go to be away from the family with their friends. Dh is unwilling to finish the basement as we have other financial priorities. He is completely unwilling to consider a pool. They are expensive, but you can do an above ground pool reasonably. He doesn't see the need when we can use the always crowded town pool.

The reality is that he isn't willing to change anything about how he wants to live, and that isn't going to make the kids want to invite their friends over, especially when all their friends have these attractive amenities.

I think you've got the same dynamic going on. I'm not saying that you should change anything, but it's perfectly understandable to me that your MIL isn't dying to drive 3 hours to sleep on an air mattress someplace with no privacy. I don't think it's unreasonable that she'd prefer to stay somewhere where her dietary preferences are cheerfully accomodated. I'm 50, and can say that my days of doing that kind of thing are over.

I'm not attacking any of your lifestyle choices. Just saying that when people feel like their comfort is an important consideration, they are going to be more attracted to visit.
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Some of your descriptions of your home make me think of my ongoing discussions with dh.

He always says that he wants our house to be the house where the kids' friends want to hang out. OK, I have no problem with that and think it would be a good idea. But, he is completely unwilling to do anything that would make our house vaguely attractive to adolescents.

We have no air conditioning (his environmental sensibilities). We have one small TV in the family room with no cable. We don't like TV much and don't want the kids watching much of it. We have no space where kids could go to be away from the family with their friends. Dh is unwilling to finish the basement as we have other financial priorities. He is completely unwilling to consider a pool. They are expensive, but you can do an above ground pool reasonably. He doesn't see the need when we can use the always crowded town pool.

The reality is that he isn't willing to change anything about how he wants to live, and that isn't going to make the kids want to invite their friends over, especially when all their friends have these attractive amenities.

I think you've got the same dynamic going on. I'm not saying that you should change anything, but it's perfectly understandable to me that your MIL isn't dying to drive 3 hours to sleep on an air mattress someplace with no privacy. I don't think it's unreasonable that she'd prefer to stay somewhere where her dietary preferences are cheerfully accomodated. I'm 50, and can say that my days of doing that kind of thing are over.

I'm not attacking any of your lifestyle choices. Just saying that when people feel like their comfort is an important consideration, they are going to be more attracted to visit.
Oh, I'm sure you are right.

I'm sure there are changes we could make that would make MIL feel more at home.

We live in a seasonal climate though and so even if we had the money, we would not put in a pool. And certainly not for MIL.

If we bought a bigger tv, I know she'd love that. It's something she understands.

But, again, we're just not going to do that because of 1) choice and 2) money.

I could make up a little guest room, but again that would take time and money and space that I don't have.

We used to have a guest room, a while ago, and MIL never stayed any length of time then so I don't think it's anything more than an excuse.

BIL and SIL have a bed, I think in a main living area, although I'm not really sure. I've just heard.

SIL is a vegetarian too.

A lot of this is just MIL making excuses.

Personally, I think they like going to their other son's home because he is successful and it makes them feel successful, you know?

Meanwhile, my H has always sort of stumbled and struggled with jobs, and when I worked full time and we didn't have a child and the related expenses (mainly daycare but all the rest too) we did ok financially.

Now, with my reduced income and daycare taking up a huge portion, we are very much paycheck to paycheck.

So, even if I wanted to accommodate MIL by buying things to make her feel at home, I wouldn't. I'd spend the money elsewhere, if it even existed.

And if all it takes is a pool to lure her, then isn't that sort of shallow?

BIL and SIL have a better relationship with the inlaws because it's developed over the years through many, many lengthy visits. They've never had to ask for more visits. This is just how it's always been, since college, basically.

I know if they were treated like we're treated, they wouldn't be very happy about it.

Oh, well. It's probably 1/2 circumstance and 1/2 attitude at this point.
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side note: have you heard of tvbgone? it's a little device you can use to click off tvs in your presence- like you're at a restaurant and something violent comes on. mean and hysterical to use on the tv in every room set. . . .
No! I've not heard of such a thing. Had no idea such things even existed. Wow!

It sort of strikes me as odd that tv is such a huge part of people's lives.

I'm not anti-tv, but I don't like how it can draw people in and suck away the day.

DH loves tv. It's how he grew up. He loves it on for background. So many times over the years when I've been at his parents home, the large tv in the living room will be on and no one will even be in the house! It's just on! They don't think twice about leaving the tv on. They fall asleep to it at night.

They have tvs all over the place in their house, too, including a tv perched high on a wall in the bathroom angled so that you can see it in the mirror from the toilet and in real life from the tub. I'm not kidding.

(to each their own...)
post #57 of 186
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I think you and I have different ideas about the role of grandparents. To me, they're not just older playmates. They (should be) sources of support to the young families.

I have vowed that when my children have children, I will help them in whatever ways they find helpful.

If my daughter is at work and would appreciate me coming over so that she can come home to a clean house and a hot meal, then that is how I would like to bless her.

If it's more helpful to her for me to take the children to my home sometimes so that she can deal with her household tasks, then that is what I'll do.

Parenting is hard. Receiving help is such a blessing and can make the difference between a young family who is thriving and one who is overwhelmed and struggling. I've been there!

OP, I strongly agree with everything Rere said. It is a hurtful situation you are in. It's hard to lower your expectations of MIL because those expectations are reasonable. But the sooner you come to terms with her unwillingness to help, the more peace you'll find for yourself.

I've been married nearly 20 years and I'm still working on it!
I think this is unfair. We live in a culturally diverse society and different people have different expectations of grandparenthood. My own mom would love to be more involved, but we're far away. My DH's mom would NOT expect to watch the kids when visiting, nor could she.

I am sorry for the OP but I think she needs to accept the fact that her MIL doesn't have the same views on grandparenthood as she does.

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A lot of this is just MIL making excuses.
Yeah. She doesn't want to help; she doesn't want to sleep in an uncomfortable place; she doesn't like the whole house set-up.

Nice that you do get to see one another once in awhile, though.

I am also going to ask something that I am not seeing here. You mentioned that you have a lot of issues in your own family. Is it possible that your disappointment is partly due to the fact that you have either (a) constructed an unrealistic expectation of what it means to be "normal" and/or (b) have already decided not to waste energy on the loss of your own family, and some of that is coming out here?

I don't think your MIL sounds like the World's Greatest MIL, but there are worse ones out there (among them, according to your OP, your husband's). It's not fair of you to put these expectations on to her, in my opinion, and yes, you're better served just letting go.

I'm sorry.
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I am also going to ask something that I am not seeing here. You mentioned that you have a lot of issues in your own family. Is it possible that your disappointment is partly due to the fact that you have either (a) constructed an unrealistic expectation of what it means to be "normal" and/or (b) have already decided not to waste energy on the loss of your own family, and some of that is coming out here?
No. I really don't think so.

My disappointment stems from the fact that my MIL does more for, visits way more, and spends more time with other grandchildren and her other son and DIL. If she could be fair, and do an equivalent amount with us, then I think that would go a long, long way.

It really has nothing to do with anything else.

See, it's not like I'm making demands or have expectations no matter what. Let me explain.

If my MIL were very elderly, ill, disabled, impoverished, or still working, I would not expect the same things from her. I would be compassionate and understanding.

If my MIL were not interested in ANY of her grandchildren, and never visited any of them or did anything for any of them, then I would drop it and have understanding. It would sort of suck, right?, but it would be fair.

It is my MIL's extreme unfairness with time, visits, and money that makes me disappointed and upset.

The way she acts towards one of her son's children is so skewed from how she acts towards her other son's.

That's what I don't like.

Here she is, retired (so she has time), with stable finances (so she isn't living hand to mouth), and obviously interested (flying to the other side of the country multiple times a year for weeks at a time to help out, babysit, and enjoy her grandchildren).

I've heard my MIL explain to friends of hers that it's so important to spend time with grandchildren, especially while they are young, and that is why it's so nice she can fly out and spend weeks of time with them.

So, that's where the disappointment comes in.

She is a totally different kind of grandparent to the other set of grandchildren, who are within a year of age of my son.

And it's been going on like this for about 5 years.

Like I said, she purchased airline tickets for a trip to see this set of grandchildren within two weeks of my son's due date. She spent more time with the other grandchildren the month my son was born and was at our house for two days following the birth and c-section. She spent two days with us then flew off to spend a week with the other grandchildren.

And her response when I tried to express my disappointment in this was "well, who knew you'd have a c-section?"
post #59 of 186
Yes, it is shallow if she visits the other family for the pool. Has she ever given you any reason to believe that she is not shallow?
post #60 of 186
What is this 'fair' of which you speak? I've never noticed much of anything 'fair' in my life. Things are what they are. The woman sounds like she's not particularly pleasant so you'd probably be better off just being glad that you don't have to put up with her more. Why do you think your son's life would be improved by hanging out with someone who doesn't like anything about his upbringing? It's not like she's going to be nice.
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