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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
does this look like a high arched palate to anyone, sorry the pic is bad my camera isn't fast enough to get a pic of baby's mouth so I had to use my phone with no flash

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...ller/photo.jpg
post #2 of 11
high palate are easier to feel than to see. do you have access to a good ibclc? also they often go along with tongue-tie - is your baby tongue-tied?

sorry short - nursing while typing
post #3 of 11
Looks high, but I'd get to a LC to confirm. PG is right-on about the TT. Don't overlook posterior TT.

It makes things more challenging (to say the least!) but DS has both and he's still nursing, so it's do-able. Positioning is very important. Hang in there!!
post #4 of 11
It sort of does, but as was said, it's more of a thing that you feel than that you see since it's so hard to get a clear view of a baby's mouth.

I also agree that it can make breastfeeding more difficult, but still definitely doable. My DS2 has bubble palate and a tongue-tie, and we're still nursing at 3 1/2 years!
post #5 of 11
I think whether bubble-palate bf works or not might have something to do with the shape of one's nipples. DS could never get a good latch no matter what we tried, no matter how much effort he and I and the LC put into it.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
heres the story so far, I have had a really hard time bfing all 3 of my girls, I thought my first was tongue tied asked her ped he said no, I dropped it and quit ebfing at a few weeks and all together at 6 mo, my 2nd not nearly as bad but I had a hard time clicking pain reflux refusing the breast but managed til 15 mo, now my 3rd suspected her tongue tied also had all the same problems clicking, not putting tongue over bottom gums, chomping, white compression lines with vasospasms, only swallowing during letdowns, poor weight gain from poor milk transfer, so I got new ped and took her in the ped said she saw a tie that was stopping her from lifting her tongue all the way up (she can put it out to her lip) it looks like a very slight very tight tie all the way in the back, I went to an ent he said there was no tie, so I told him to look again he did said he saw it but it was too insignificant to cut that the only answer would be frenuloplasty under general anesthesia to add length to her tongue!!! Got a second opinion with another ent he said there was nothing there and drew a stupid picture for me and basically said its not a tongue tie if it doesn't connect to the tip of the tongue, told me to pump and give her bottles, said I have nothing better to do anyways, and that a tongue tie also doesn't cause speech problems (regarding my 2 yo who has an obvious tight frenulum and doesnt' talk yet). I have an appt for CST next week (which would be covered by insurance if the ped would have given me a referral but they refused calling it alternative therapy and they don't recommend it in pediatrics ) So basically I think she has a very slight tongue tie but don't think I'll ever find anyone to cut it, we are broke and I have already spent a ton in copays and such trying to find someone to do it. I have talked to a bunch of lc's went to lll meetings tried all kinds of latching techniques and positions although I haven't asked anyone about the palate yet I just noticed it yesterday (but I will be calling to see someone monday). It is like if the roof of her mouth were clay and I pushed my thumb in to make an imprint, and as for sucking, if I stick my finger in she pulls it into that groove and chomps away with her tongue pulled back but if I push my finger far back past the imprint in the palate she starts to suckle correctly. I know my goal is to get as much breast into her mouth to reach that spot that triggers sucking but I can't seem to get there, Im hoping the CST will help loosen up her jaw enough to get a deeper latch to get there and hopefully she will eventually grow into the palate if thats what it is which brings me to my other question: I know I've heard that once the tongue is cut the palate starts to correct itself but what if the tongue is never cut is it still possible for the palate to correct itself or whatever happens that makes it better later on? I desperately want to keep her ebf but have as of today started pumping after 2 feedings a day and cup feeding to get her some hindmilk as the last week all her diapers have been green where as before as long as I block fed long enough they would stay yellow now it doesn't matter how long i do on each side. I also refuse to give her a bottle since thats what happened with my first and it was awful and she loved it and started hating breastfeeding because of the flow difference. Thanks for any help I can get
post #7 of 11
nak

where are you? we may be able to recommend a doc/dentist who can assess and clip in your area
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Im in the cleveland ohio area, would what I described be a posterior tie, I tried asking when I called places to make appts if they were experienced in posterior ties but most either didn't have a clue what it was or wouldn't answer any questions unless dd was a patient
post #9 of 11
My son also has a tongue tie/high palate. I've read that it can help to NOT do an asymetrical latch, but instead do a "bulls-eye". So try NOT putting more of the bottom than top in -- try putting your breast in with the nipple in the middle. That will give more breast tissue to fill in the high palate.

This helped a bit for us. It definitely explained why, when I got frustrated and focused so hard on getting him to latch RIGHT, that things got worse!
post #10 of 11
There are some great resources here: http://mothering.com/discussions/sho....php?t=1128738

including a good FAQ (http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=833815)
and info from Dr Palmer, a dentist who has some good info on tongue-tie: http://www.brianpalmerdds.com/frenum.htm http://www.brianpalmerdds.com/bfeed_frenulums.htm note Dr P's presentations use cross-sections from cadavers - some are infants, so if that may be upsetting you want to avoid his slides.
post #11 of 11
The most obvious sign of posterior TT is that when baby cries, the tongue stays almost completely flat. In most 'normal' baby's tongues, the sides will curl and the tongue will raise up a bit. My LC showed me pics and I've noticed other babies tongues when they cry every since, DS tongue hardly moved prior to the Frenectomy!

I'm sorry you're not getting anywhere with the docs. I know there are midwives here in Houston that will do Frenectomy, maybe try calling around and see if one in that area will take a look?

Even after the Frenectomy, DS still has a shallow-er latch (when my nipple is all the way "correctly" positioned, the tip points into a funky angle because of DS's high palate, so I've let him tell me how it needs to be and lost the idea of the perfect latch). As an LC told me, it doesn't have to be picture perfect it just needs to get the job done!
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