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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
(Cross-posted in parenting) I am currently brainstorming about ways to meet two of my 10yo dd's needs that I see as very much related to one another: her need to explore the city and interact with people on her own, and her need to earn money. She is not satisfied with the paths we've been taking up 'til now to try to meet these needs.

But I need to be honest that dh and I (dh even moreso than me) are nowhere near the place of being able to completely do the free-range thing. It even bothers dh that I let her walk half-a-block or so ahead of her sister and me when we are out walking places together; she likes to do this because it gives her at least some sense of being independent, and he worries about her getting snatched by someone driving by.

Our inner city neighborhood is primarily composed of families like us who are honest, hardworking, and doing their best to make ends meet and do a good job raising their children. But then, never too far from the surface, there are these other people making their way illegally through activities like drug dealing and prostitution.

It's been more than a year since we had a neighbor who was an obvious drug dealer, and it's been a few months since one of our neighborhood prostitutes was trying to use our block as a place to park and do business with her johns ... so I'm not saying we see this activity all the time or even frequently. But we can never really forget that it's happening nearby.

So we still don't let our 10yo dd walk around the neighborhood by herself. We walk places together, and she plays with neighborhood friends out in their yards where we can see her. We did just get to know one family well enough that their kids started playing in our house and our girls started playing in theirs -- but they moved a couple months ago. There's a lot of moving.

As far as earning money, dd earns occasional money by babysitting her little sis for an hour or so when I'm really busy on the phone with my English lessons, or I need a little more sleep. She also earns occasional money by helping dh with tough jobs in the yard or garden. But she wants to GO OUT and earn money for herself.

She has a strong interest in sales, and has earned a few dollars selling some cylindrical shapes she made with paper and painted. She is actually a lot more interested in the sales-part than she is in developing the actual product ...

So the other day I got the idea that maybe I can take an Avon route, which I would be interested in doing for myself for the social aspect and also for earning a little side money, as well as to give dd the opportunity to gradually branch out on her own. Since we've never had an Avon lady knock on our door in the almost six years we've lived here, it seems probable that I could get our neighborhood as a route.

I realize that a lot of this is getting handled more online these days, but one unique feature of our neighborhood is that lots of folks don't have internet access, but might still enjoy the convenience of shopping from their own homes and having products delivered to their doors. I don't see it as a huge money-making venture, but mainly as a small side income and a growth experience for dd.

At the moment, dh thinks it's way too dangerous for dd and me to go out knocking on strangers' doors, even together, but he's slowly coming around ... and I'm thinking we could gradually work it out that dd might one day have our immediate block as her territory (up til that point, we could do it all together and split the profits 50/50), and maybe eventually she could take on a couple of the surrounding blocks, carrying a cell phone so she could check in with us and we could also check on her if she's gone too long.

I'd make it a policy that when she's on her own, she doesn't go into any houses unless it's someone we know well and have designated as a safe place. This is our current policy for playing in the neighborhood. She plays out front where she's easily visible, and she can knock on her friends' doors to ask if they can come out, but she doesn't go in.

I think selling Avon would also help her develop her telephone skills, as some customers would call in to give orders, and we'd also be calling some customers to let them know about sales on the products they like, and so on.

What do you think?
post #2 of 12
I think that sounds like a great solution to your problems! If she's keen on Avon and feels ready to do this, why not? if it works for you too of course.

My son had a paper route for awhile. We waited until our street (and 2 other blocks) were available. I found it so hard to let him go on his own (after I'd done it with him for months and he felt ready) and our neighbourhood does not have the city aspects yours does. My compromise, though I realise how unreliable it really was, and very un-Free-Rangey, was to give him one of our walkey-talkeys. I'd check in with him halfway through, and then generally hang out out front to wait to see him round our corner. He did fine, I got truly stressed. He quit a few months later. and
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much for your encouragement, WCM! I sent in the application (or brief informational online form) a couple days ago, and am waiting to hear back from the regional manager for this area.

I'm very interested in doing Avon myself because I think it will be neat to get to know some more people in the neighborhood, and maybe be a small supplement to my current income. So dd will be welcome to help as much or as little as she likes. At the moment she's pretty enthused about it.
post #4 of 12
Another possibility is Etsy. You can set up a shop and your daughter can create whatever she wants to sell. She does not have to sell arts or crafts, either. She can also sell supplies. There is a demand for recycled and upcycled items.
I've seen a lot of shops run by young kids. A participating adult is required to sign up for and watch over the shop, but otherwise your DD is free to post whatever.
I have an Etsy shop and am in the process of opening a second one. I'm pretty sure at least one of my kids will be interested in selling things online.
post #5 of 12
I don't know much about Avon, though if you are interested, it seems like it's worth a try!

I do want to hear more from people parenting with a Free Range approach in a city environment where there are real dangers. I do know that crime is down everywhere and overall, and that crimes targeting children are committed more often by relatives than by strangers-- I don't have vague "stranger danger" concerns. But our neighborhood has a lot of gang activity, frequent gun incidents, reckless speeding on residential streets, and little police presence. Sending my children to the corner store involves sending them past an abandoned building where gang-affiliated youth congregate to no good end, and an intersection where cars often do not stop for the stop sign coming off a higher-speed arterial. The corner store itself is often the site of incidents, and I see active drug-dealing there often. Wow, I'm making it sound so bad!

I'm not worried, in other words, about them being targeted for crime. I'm worried about them being bystanders, and accidentally hurt, I guess. My dd, 5, does walk down our block alone, and has a burning desire for more independence, but I don't know how I'll ever give it to her!

Anyway, anybody free-ranging NOT in a suburban enclave with crosswalks and quiet parks? (We do have a nice park nearby, too, but there are other issues in that direction.) Anyway, I do envy people when they say, "I don't know why I can't let go and let them have more freedom-- we live in such a safe neighborhood!"
post #6 of 12
Don't know if these'd work in your area, but here's what else I thought of:

Is there a farmer's market you could get to? You could sell jams, jellies, cookies, muffins, etc. Sounds like your daughter would do well selling face to face.

What about a lemonade stand? I read a story about some homeschool kids who had a stand that catered to the kids going to & from a nearby school bus stop before & after school. They sold sodas, gum, snacks kinda stuff.

Let us know how it works out!
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Dreaming and rockportmama -- those do sound like excellent ideas. Yes, rockportmama, dd is really interested in lots of face-to-face interactions with other people, which is one reason why I think selling Avon would be so cool in our neighborhood where not everyone can afford internet access --

Those interested could STILL have the convenience of ordering a variety of beauty and personal-care items from home AND having those items delivered to their door, almost as if they were buying stuff on Ebay, only with slightly more personal contact, LOL. Plus we might make a few friends and a little side-cash in the process.

We are raising chickens, so dh has checked with our local farmer's market about selling the eggs there, but we'd need to get special insurance that we can't afford in order to sell food there. He is going to see if our neighborhood flea market would allow him to do this without any special insurance.

He also loves to go "junking" and pick stuff up off the curb that's in good condition, plus buy stuff cheaply from yard sales, thrift stores, and flea markets. Dd loves going foraging with him! Mostly he has just resold the stuff we didn't have a use for on Ebay, but he is going to look into the possibility of doing that at the flea market, too. Dd would be right in her element doing something like that!

snanna, we have lots of gang activity around here, too. It IS very difficult to know how to proceed when kids are needing more independence. I cross-posted about this over in Parenting, and someone there mentioned that there would probably be liability issues for Avon if I sent dd out on her own in the neighborhood to knock on doors and distribute books.

It sounds like we should go together to meet people and find out who might be interested. Then, once we have a few customers, maybe dd could sometimes take those customers their orders and collect the payments, if it's right up the street or something.

Those customers would already know that I am the representative and dd is helping me, so they wouldn't be so likely to jump to conclusions and think that Avon has hired a 10yo representative.
post #8 of 12
Is there a farmer or other vendor at the farmers' market that would let you and your dd work or volunteer at their booth at the market? I know that where I'm at, some of the vendors will exchange their goods with people who help staff their booth during the market. A few of the vendors at my local market have kids (their own, I'm assuming) helping with sales--everyone seems to love watching the kids chat about what they're selling. I've also seen a few kids doing behind-the-scenes stuff like refilling things as they sell out, which I imagine would be a nice job for a more introverted kid.

Maybe you two could take a field trip to the market and ask around?
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
pterodactyl, that does sound interesting. I guess we're still looking for an outlet to sell our own eggs and chicks, and since we can't do it at the farmer's market, we're looking elsewhere.
post #10 of 12
how about elderly ppl in the neighbourhood - might they need help with errands ? (or sending emails?) of course you might not be able to ask much payment, but it would probably help in some way to get out there, and you'd be helping them too.
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
cheery, that's possible, though all the families on our immediate block seem to be our age or younger. I'm not sure how this would work as a free-range possibility, though, since I'm not yet even comfortable sending dd on her own to run errands for us, or, for that matter, sending her on her own to someone's house that we don't know very well.

If we ever get going with the Avon, we may very well get to know some people who could use some extra help. After getting all enthused and sending my info in, I still haven't heard back from anyone, and I was going to call, but for the past week we've been sick to varying degrees and right now I just feel very tired.
post #12 of 12
Along with the Avon, have you considered volunteer work at the library or another place that is appropriate for 10 year olds to work? The kinds of opportunities she seems to seek right now might not be feasible for a couple more years, and volunteer work in the meanwhile might help her build her skills.
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