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Seriously? (STBX paints how obviously he doesn't want to be a "real" Dad)

post #1 of 17
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Most days I want to strangle STBX. But some of his comments over the weekend... I just can't figure out why I am here having to actually fight about custody time with him, when he makes statements the way he does about needing a break and he doesn't want to put wear and tear on his car. WTH? Seriously? Anyway this is what happened.

I let STBX know that my Mom was likely moving to a first shift position and he would need to come down and take care of DD and eventually DS in the mornings, as we cannot afford full time daycare.

He told me he'd rather get a second job and pay for full time daycare because he didn't want to drive down to where I live (about 20-30 minutes away, same town where he used to live) because who would pay him gas and for wear & tear on his car?

Um, ok, Mr. Logic... wouldn't you be using gas and putting wear and tear on your car to get to a second job? And I'm not holding my breath on this second job thing as he has been telling me this since November that he knew we needed extra money and he'd get another job... yeah, see how that has materialized?

Then, he finally agreed to read the parenting agreement and to let me know what he didn't agree with and see if we could come up with any compromises before having to go to court, etc.

He did not like the suggestion for having exact weekends during the month. I proposed to him to have the 1st, 3rd & 5th weekends in a month, so that way everyone always knew who's weekend it was without having to manually
go through a calendar to count out every other weekend if you want to plan something a few months ahead.

He said it wasn't fair to him because then our kids would get off schedule with his eldest daughter and he'd likely end up having kids every weekend.

He said it messed up how he was the only one getting screwed over and he
needed time off too. (Hello? Do you parent AT ALL during the week? Um, nope!) That no parent has their kids every weekend.

I said all parents that are still together have their kids every weekend! And I don't care about time off and I'd take the larger amount of time if it was a problem for him. He said he just doesn't want the kids getting off schedule from each other, so he doesn't end up with kids every weekend.

Oh, gee... I'm so sorry you decided to become a Father but can't stand being around your kids every weekend? WTH?!!


My question/thoughts are this... if I have record of him saying all this garbage... will it help me keep more time with my kids? He still won't agree to a progressive overnight schedule with DS that I feel comfortable with. He still has it in his head he wants to start overnights immediately at 4 months of age. Which is so contradictory to me with someone who doesn't even want kids around every weekend. 4 month olds generally wake up several times a night still, and I remember how ANGRY he got if he was woken by DD at all. (most times he slept right through, he generally only woke when I was "stupid" enough to try to rouse him to help because I was losing my mind from sleep deprivation).

I even painted this picture for him, saying, "remember how often DD woke in the night at 4 months? how often she was still waking at 6-9 months? sometimes even now? Do you really want to be getting up in the middle of the night, several times, and trecking all the way downstairs from your attic bedroom to make DS a bottle?"

He just said he wasn't comfortable making a decision about this now as it was too far away. Too far away?? It's less than a year away!! DS is going to be here in 3 months time.

Oh yeah... the other gem of the weekend. He read how I put in the parenting agreement for him to attend a parenting class, based off the recomendation from his counselor. He got an immediate attitude and said it was hysterical that I was trying to tell him he needed a parenting class when he has more kids than I do, and he obviously isn't a rookie anymore and a person with three kids doesn't need a parenting class.

I pointed out that he was totally on board with going only a few months ago, as his counselor really thought he should go. He said that she just mentioned it, she didn't really recommend it. Um... BS!!! She told me that she thought he should go so he could learn better ways to cope with the challenges and not take his anger out on the kids... she gave him a paper for the specific parenting classes and he brought it home with him and hung it on the fridge. (that's where it ended up staying, even when he moved out, I went down there and it was still there, I took it and put it in a file with other important papers he left behind and gave it back to him)

And the sucky realization is... it won't even matter if someone does make him go... because if he really thinks he knows everything just because he created three kids... he won't glean anything from the class anyway and probaly leave shaking his head calling it all fanatical BS. *sighs*
post #2 of 17
wow. he is really something! i guess after ds is born and you take stbx through domestics, he'll find out that he really, really needs to get a second job.
post #3 of 17
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wow. he is really something! i guess after ds is born and you take stbx through domestics, he'll find out that he really, really needs to get a second job.
No it won't... They can't take more than 50% of his pay. A percentage of that 50% will go to his DD1.

What is left for me won't even cover his half of full time daycare. Why is that his concern? He won't care.

So I get to figure out how to cover the rest of his half of daycare plus all the normal expenses because C/S won't even cover his half of daycare costs.

He doesn't have a care in the world, and why should he, is the way he sees it. He likes to remind me all the time that I made this decision and should have thought about it before I left him.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by Phoenix~Mama View Post

He said it wasn't fair to him because then our kids would get off schedule with his eldest daughter and he'd likely end up having kids every weekend.

He said it messed up how he was the only one getting screwed over and he
needed time off too. (Hello? Do you parent AT ALL during the week? Um, nope!) That no parent has their kids every weekend.



My question/thoughts are this... if I have record of him saying all this garbage... will it help me keep more time with my kids? He still won't agree to a progressive overnight schedule with DS that I feel comfortable with. He still has it in his head he wants to start overnights immediately at 4 months of age. Which is so contradictory to me with someone who doesn't even want kids around every weekend. 4 month olds generally wake up several times a night still, and I remember how ANGRY he got if he was woken by DD at all. (most times he slept right through, he generally only woke when I was "stupid" enough to try to rouse him to help because I was losing my mind from sleep deprivation).

I even painted this picture for him, saying, "remember how often DD woke in the night at 4 months? how often she was still waking at 6-9 months? sometimes even now? Do you really want to be getting up in the middle of the night, several times, and trecking all the way downstairs from your attic bedroom to make DS a bottle?"

He just said he wasn't comfortable making a decision about this now as it was too far away. Too far away?? It's less than a year away!! DS is going to be here in 3 months time.

Oh yeah... the other gem of the weekend. He read how I put in the parenting agreement for him to attend a parenting class, based off the recomendation from his counselor. He got an immediate attitude and said it was hysterical that I was trying to tell him he needed a parenting class when he has more kids than I do, and he obviously isn't a rookie anymore and a person with three kids doesn't need a parenting class.

I pointed out that he was totally on board with going only a few months ago, as his counselor really thought he should go. He said that she just mentioned it, she didn't really recommend it. Um... BS!!! She told me that she thought he should go so he could learn better ways to cope with the challenges and not take his anger out on the kids... she gave him a paper for the specific parenting classes and he brought it home with him and hung it on the fridge. (that's where it ended up staying, even when he moved out, I went down there and it was still there, I took it and put it in a file with other important papers he left behind and gave it back to him)

And the sucky realization is... it won't even matter if someone does make him go... because if he really thinks he knows everything just because he created three kids... he won't glean anything from the class anyway and probaly leave shaking his head calling it all fanatical BS. *sighs*
Keep making a record. But really, STOP worrying about overnights. B/c if he doesn't even want his kids every weekend (any decent dad would JUMP at the chance!) theres NO WAY he's going to want overnights with the baby boy. He's doing this to yank your chain.
post #5 of 17
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He likes to remind me all the time that I made this decision and should have thought about it before I left him.
i hear that all the time too!

when they take 50% of his income, won't he realize that he has to get a second job to survive? and then at that point, won't they also take 50% of that pay?
post #6 of 17
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i hear that all the time too!

when they take 50% of his income, won't he realize that he has to get a second job to survive? and then at that point, won't they also take 50% of that pay?
They will if amounts to more than, I think it's a 5% increase? But he is lazy. I just don't see him getting a second job. He is living at his Mom's currently, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he finds a GF to go shack up with.
post #7 of 17
gross, but true! :Puke

hey, i just had an idea. when ds is born, and you are not yet collecting child support, can you apply for state aid (temporarily) until you begin receiving child support?

maybe the guidelines will be bumped up for 2011 and then you'll qualify. yes i know my pollyanna hopefulness is extremely annoying. but it could happen! or maybe he'll get fired from his job and not be able to pay cs, and then you'll qualify. that's probably a more likely scenario!
post #8 of 17
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Keep making a record. But really, STOP worrying about overnights. B/c if he doesn't even want his kids every weekend (any decent dad would JUMP at the chance!) theres NO WAY he's going to want overnights with the baby boy. He's doing this to yank your chain.
Yup. He may not even realize he's bluffing, but he is. And how ridiculous that his biggest concern is seeing his kids too much! Letting them get on and off the same schedule would be great so he'd both have on-on-one time and also they'd get sibling time. A win-win. But he doesn't want that because he'd see them too much, but yet he thinks he wants overnights with a 4-month-old? Does not compute.
post #9 of 17
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Yup. He may not even realize he's bluffing, but he is. And how ridiculous that his biggest concern is seeing his kids too much! Letting them get on and off the same schedule would be great so he'd both have on-on-one time and also they'd get sibling time. A win-win. But he doesn't want that because he'd see them too much, but yet he thinks he wants overnights with a 4-month-old? Does not compute.
Seriously. I think my ex is actually looking forward to me studying for the bar b/c any babysitting I need gets offered to him first. And I'm going to need a good amount on the weekends - I fully expect him to jump at the chance to spend time with ds!
post #10 of 17
Sorry to voice dissent, but I think you should stick with "every other weekend". That is the standard.

1st,3rd,5th is confusing ... and would lead to two weekends in a row sometimes. Plus what if the month starts on a Sat or Sun??

Perhaps you could just do the whole calendar at the beginning of the year so that you always know when your weekends with kids are. Or better yet, do one of the online sharing calendars so that both of you can always check and know in advance.

I don't think it is unreasonable to have all of his non-custodial kids on the same weekend. That seems like a logical solution for multiple reasons.

Sounds like this is just annoying to you because lots of other things he has done. But really, this isn't a battle that seems like it should be chosen.
post #11 of 17
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Seriously. I think my ex is actually looking forward to me studying for the bar b/c any babysitting I need gets offered to him first. And I'm going to need a good amount on the weekends - I fully expect him to jump at the chance to spend time with ds!
Oh yes, STBX has already told me many times that he is not my babysitter and I better think again if I expect to call him to "babysit" while I go out and live my life.

He also said that he doesn't see why he should take off of work for the birth to come "babysit" for me just so I can rest after having given birth.

Yes, I informed him it wasn't babysitting, that it was BONDING time with HIS children.
post #12 of 17
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Yes, I informed him it wasn't babysitting, that it was BONDING time with HIS children.
I thought it was PARENTING! LOL - either way, he's NOT going to look good to whatever judge you see.
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I thought it was PARENTING! LOL - either way, he's NOT going to look good to whatever judge you see.
Well, yeah that too! LOL But that was in regards to the few days right after birth. He was using it as a control tactic. Saying he'd only take off of work to come help out for a few days if he could be at the birth, because he saw no point in babysitting if he wasn't able to see his DS born.
post #14 of 17
Ugh. Pick your battles with this UAV. IF he wants EOW, give him EOW. It's no skin off your teeth. And if he actually starts taking regular overnight visitation with a four month old baby, my head will explode in surprise.
post #15 of 17
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Oh yes, STBX has already told me many times that he is not my babysitter and I better think again if I expect to call him to "babysit" while I go out and live my life.

He also said that he doesn't see why he should take off of work for the birth to come "babysit" for me just so I can rest after having given birth.

Yes, I informed him it wasn't babysitting, that it was BONDING time with HIS children.


I can't stand it when parents refer to taking care of their OWN CHILDREN as BABYSITTING!!!!!

I got into an argument with my best friends boyfriend just the other day over this-a mutual couple friend of ours is splitting up. When they were together, he worked nights, she worked a.m.'s and they didn't have outside child care because one of them was always home. The dad now drives over and stays with the kids while mom is at work, even though they are getting divorced. I applauded this!! BF's boyfriend went on a rant about how SHE chose to be single so she shouldn't get the "benefit" of having a father around for her kids. WTF???? Apparently his ex had offered him a similar arrangement, and he declined, to punish her for leaving him. Uh, excuse me? The only people getting punished are your CHILDREN!!!!

I can't stand it!!!

Rant over-back to the previously scheduled thread topic....
post #16 of 17
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Well, yeah that too! LOL But that was in regards to the few days right after birth. He was using it as a control tactic. Saying he'd only take off of work to come help out for a few days if he could be at the birth, because he saw no point in babysitting if he wasn't able to see his DS born.
Uh....his right to seeing you naked ended when he became abusive. And then it ended again when you chose to leave. GO YOU! Ugh....stupid men who feel so danged entitled to everything they've ever wanted.
post #17 of 17
I'm sorry this is totally OT. But Pheonix Mama, I'm so, so, so very very proud of you. :
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