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Suspect that FMIL is uncomfortable with HB- and she plans to attend. Help!

post #1 of 17
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So, the other day I was talking to FMIL about our planned home birth. She knows I HBed DD #1, who is from a previous relationship, and the first thing out of her mouth when we told her about our plans for this birth was that she wanted to be there when it happened.

Now, this is already kind of a delicate issue because my mom wasn't allowed at my first birth and hasn't even asked to be at this one- I think she has come to terms with the fact that she would be highly likely to freak out, especially if she thought I was in an unmanageable amount of pain, or any pain at all, really.

I went ahead and said okay, though, and assigned FMIL the task of watching DD #1 during the labor and birth. She said she'd be happy to take on that job.

So, the other night she was asking how our day went and I told her DF and I had gotten some books and videos about home water births so he would be prepared for what's going to happen, and be prepared just in case he has to do something to help out with the actual birth in case the midwives don't get here fast enough. (Which is a distinct possibility since the MW and doula almost didn't make it to my first birth- I only had about 4 hours of labor from my first contraction to the birth, and she was born in the bathtub because we didn't get the birthing pool filled in time!)

FMIL's response was "Ok then..." which is her stock response to anything that makes her uncomfortable that she doesn't want to talk about. I talked to DF about it and he said he thinks it's entirely likely that FMIL is having issues with the idea of the home birth, and REALLY having issues with the idea that the baby could come so quickly that he had to do the catching, but she's just not the kind of person who speaks up about that kind of thing. He also reminded me that she had C-sections with both of her kids and they almost killed her putting in the epidural with her second, so her idea of birth probably isn't that it's a safe and easy process.

Silly me, I thought she'd be reassured by knowing that DF will know what to do just in case.

Anyway, I have no idea how to bring this up with her, but I am really worried that her interest in attending the birth is just because she wants to be there when her grandchild is born and she really has no idea what to expect or whether or not she's going to be able to deal with it if anything wacky happens or if it seems like I'm in a lot of pain, or if I want everyone out of the room during pushing, or whatever.

FMIL and FFIL are both EXTREMELY non-confrontational people who don't like to deal with topics that are, or have the potential to become, unpleasant. DF is also like this to some extent- for example, the one and only time I have ever tried to talk to him about what my wishes would be in the event of my death- in particular, what my wishes would be in terms of who would assume guardianship of my DD, he basically freaked out and couldn't have the conversation. I tried really hard to frame it in terms of "I know this is upsetting, but it's something all parents need to talk about at some point" and he still just really couldn't handle it.

So, i'm worried that pushing this issue further, telling FMIL that there could, in fact, be an emergency (although that is highly unlikely) or that DF might have to do the catching, or any number of unexpected things could happen and we'd just have to roll with it, might just upset her further or make her more anxious or something. I certainly don't want to cause her any discomfort or fear, but at the same time I am concerned about having someone at the birth who isn't...well...'prepared' is the word I'm looking for, I guess.

WWYD?

ETA: I realize "ok then" probably doesn't seem like that big a deal to the people who are reading this, but trust me, saying "Ok then" and changing the subject is FMIL's MO when she's uncomfortable and doesn't want to talk about something because of her discomfort. We went through this with her a LOT over a previous, very upsetting and trying experience that we all went through together and whenever she couldn't handle what was going on or was freaked out by being asked about it, "OK then" would come out and that would be the end of the discussion.
post #2 of 17
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post #3 of 17
If I were in your situation I would try as gently as possible to talk to her about your concerns. If she is going to attend your birth she needs to have a good idea about what might happen. Even though she won't be your primary support person, she should still be informed, if only for her own peace of mind. Encourage her to ask questions, tell her about your previous birth. She should be aware of what normal birth looks and sounds like; possible complications and interventions; potential reasons for hospital transfer, etc. It is likely that having complete information will ease her concerns. If not, it may help her decide not to attend, which may be for the best if she is unable make peace with it.
post #4 of 17
Well, my first thought is that, "At least she's not harping on you with the, "BUT YOU COULD KILL MY GRANDCHILD!" business. So at least she isn't up-in-arms that this is a risky, dangerous, reckless & crazy idea. So I think that's good.

Honestly, I totally understand how the idea of a MW not making it would be stressful. Let's put this in perspective- we're selecting HB (which implies with a qualified MW) instead of UC because we obviously realize that things can go wrong & we have respect for the skill of a midwife. So I think when you put it in that perspective, I don't fault her for finding the idea of accidental-UC stressful.

I think I'd bring it up again & mention:
-it's unlikely to happen ( OK, maybe if your MW is a 2 hour drive away & you labor fast, maybe it's really not that "unlikely" but I'd tell her it is)
-When it DOES happen, it's b/c things went faster than normal & that almost always means things are great for both mama & baby.

So I'd say those things in an attempt to curb the, IMO, legitimate concerns about accidental-UC.

& honestly, I'm kinda sympathetic to people being "uncomfortable" with the idea of HB in itself! It's so out of the ordinary, it's so unusual, it goes against mainstream 'common sense' and, as we know, goes against what AMA & ACOG state are the "standard of practice" for safety. Discomfort is a natural, understandable reaction.

It's the people who react with an insistence that it must be dangerous & a refusal to consider facts that I have no empathy or patience for.

Your FMIL sounds distinctly like the former!

As far as 'preparing' her, she may not realize that you screaming, moaning & wanting privacy are totally normal! She may hear the noises you make & think it's cruel of them to not whisk you off for an epidural. So I think it's worthwhile encouraging her to watch some movies - BoBB & Orgasmic birth. Maybe suggest watching them together?

Considering she has thus far shown no overt signs of being opposed to HB, but only discomfort I think I'd take this as an opportunity to help educate her on it so she can get more comfortable. Being "uncomfortable" / getting out of our comfort zone is often just a part of growing as a person & learning more. it doesn't have to be a bad thing.

If you can view it in this light (& from what you posted, it seems to be the case), then it can even potentially be something you guys bond over. Since she doesn't come out & say if something bothers her, I'd assume she's just 'uncomfortable' because it's such a strange/unusual thing, but assume she's OK with it & trusts my judgment. (Again, safe assumption since she hasn't actually said one single anti-HB thing.) I'd view it as a nice opportunity to educate her so she can learn, be prepared & get more comfortable with it.

Who knows? By October she could be bragging about her FDIL HBing & really looking forward to it.

Of course, someone in your house who is nervous could have a negative impact on your birth, but it sounds like you're not considering rescinding her invite. & besides, having someone to care for your DD will be a good thing.

Also, perhaps if you work to educate her & you see her softening (i.e. comprehending the appeal of HB. understanding the stupid flaws behind the research that ACOG points to when they say it increases the risk of neonatal death, etc.) then maybe you can open a dialogue between you 2. (Obviously, if she were anti-HB, dialogue would NOT be the thing you'd want - you'd have to put your foot down & say your choice isn't up for discussion, but, again, that doesn't seem to be the case.)

This might set a nice tone for your relationship - that you can learn from one another, consider the others feelings, work towards mutual understanding, etc. OK, I hope I'm not just being absurdly optimistic in this reply, but this is what came to my mind.
post #5 of 17
I would see if she wanted to watch some of the movies with you, since she has no 1st hand knowledge of a real natural birth and if she has watched any on the tv she is just as lost in most cases.
Maybe bring it up that you have some for you dd to watch and wanted to see if she wanted to watch them with you two so she could get a better idea of the type of questions dd might ask durning the birth.
post #6 of 17
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Ah, videos! Great idea! I IMed her to ask if she wants to see any- and she asked if FFIL could be there too! I had to say no to that one- again, I just don't think they know what to expect. I told her I just don't feel like I'd be comfortable being naked and possibly screaming in front of FFIL and she said she understood. I'm looking for some vids for her on Youtube now.

Thanks!!!
post #7 of 17
If *you* are okay with her being there and want to help her work through her issues about it, I would suggest some movies but also getting her to come to one of your appointments and touch base with the midwife and let her ask questions.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by fruitfulmomma View Post
If *you* are okay with her being there and want to help her work through her issues about it, I would suggest some movies but also getting her to come to one of your appointments and touch base with the midwife and let her ask questions.
That is another great idea too.
post #9 of 17
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She seems to be OK now that she's seen some videos- I think they helped her understand why I wasn't jumping at the chance to have FFIL there, so that's a bonus

We talked about what hospital we would go to if we had to transfer, and whether DF's insurance would cover the bills in that eventuality, and I asked if she had any other questions. She said she was OK but wants to see more videos I don't think she needs to meet with the midwives, but if she expresses any concerns down the road I might suggest that.

Thanks so much for all of your help!
post #10 of 17
Even if she is just over for the 38 weeks appt or so it might help plus she would be there to help with dd for your at home appt too.

Glad the video helped.
post #11 of 17
I think my main concern would be if she is truelly uncomfortable with HBing and freaks out when you are in full blown labor (esp if the MW hasn't arrived yet) would she be likely to call for an ambulance to get you to the hospital? I know some people would thats why I'm putting it out there. Get her as prepared as possible and it sounds like you're already well on your way there, but if you still are nervous about her attending then don't call.. tell her it was too fast or whatever. Better to have her upset than her being there and interfering with your plans.
post #12 of 17
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I don't think she'd call an ambulance as long as the midwives were there, and even if she did, they can't make me get in it I just want to make sure she knows what she's getting herself into here. Which it seems like she has a better grasp of now that she's watched some videos.
post #13 of 17
I can't talk to my MIL about anything, either. She just clams up when I'm around and then fills dh's ear when I'm not around. So, I kind of know what you're talking about.

Anyways, it sounds like your MIL is a different type then mine, and might be supportive, but just out of her depth and a bit scared because of it. Some people I know who are difficult to talk to directly about things do much better with written materials that they can digest at their own pace and don't have to react to someone personally in the moment. Maybe you could send her a positive, upbeat email with some links to information and You tube videos, just to give her an idea of what to expect. I would also include some information about how if labor goes too quickly for a midwife to attend, that is because there are no complications, and everything is going great. Then make sure you leave it open for her to ask questions, or even invite her to meet your midwife ahead of time. I would not talk about potential complications and your preparations unless she asks about something specific.

Perhaps you could even offer her an "out" where she could have plans to take your dd out somewhere if she gets uncomfortable, or be in a separate part of the house, but be around to see the baby soon after birth.

My MIL was invited to my first homebirth. She arrived a few minutes after the baby (I'm a fast birther, too), but she seemed very impressed by the midwife and how she explained everything, etc. I had a lot of people at the birth.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by honeybee View Post
I can't talk to my MIL about anything, either. She just clams up when I'm around and then fills dh's ear when I'm not around. So, I kind of know what you're talking about.
Wow, that really sucks. I'm sorry.

I actually have a really great friendship with FMIL 99 percent of the time, it's just that when she gets uncomfortable or scared she tends to rabbit/ostrich, which FH also does, so I'm used to it When it doesn't directly affect me, I leave it alone, but I needed a way to get through that wall without being confrontational in this instance.

I feel like giving her the "job" of watching DD is giving her an out, and DD is a laid back enough kid that if I say I want her to go play with FMIL in another room or go for a walk with FMIL, she will be cool with it and FMIL will take it as me asking her to remove DD from the situation, so whichever one of them I might feel like removing from the situation, I have an opening there. I'm sure she will be OK with leaving the room if she gets uncomfortable and is aware of her discomfort. It just seems like a lot of the time with FH, I know he's uncomfortable with something a long time before he does, and IDK if she's the same but it seems that way, so I want to be able to deal with that if it arises.
post #15 of 17
Yep. You can just not call in time... You need to not have unhelpful energy in the room. Read Ina May. It makes a difference, and it sounds like a big risk to have her there.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by LadyJade View Post
Yep. You can just not call in time... You need to not have unhelpful energy in the room. Read Ina May. It makes a difference, and it sounds like a big risk to have her there.
I've read a lot of Ina May I just want to know how to set this lady's mind at ease beforehand so she won't be putting out weird vibes during the birth. I don't have a gut feeling that she shouldn't be there at all, just that she might need to work a couple of things out before she gets there. With my mom, I just KNOW she shouldn't be there, so I'm not flexible about it.

She liked the videos I sent her on Youtube and didn't seem put off by them at all, so I broached the subject of DF possibly having to catch the baby if my labor is really fast again. (Mind you, she won't be there if that happens because the MWs live closer to us than she does, so she won't be part of that scenario if it takes place.) She seemed cool with it this time and said that she thinks he should know how to do labor support and what to do if the midwives don't get there, since I have to go through the labor he should have to be well informed. So I took that as a very good sign

That said, I had a long talk about this yesterday with a very close friend of mine who is a doula- planning to be my doula at this birth, actually!- and student of midwifery and she said to check my feelings when I'm actually IN labor and decide who to call or not call at that time. So that's definitely part of my plan as well and I plan to talk to DF about this so he doesn't just run to the phone and call a bunch of people the minute I start feeling like the baby is on the way.
post #17 of 17
I just wanted to say that my mom was at my second birth (first homebirth), also in the role of taking care of our older kid. Like your situation, beforehand I had felt that although she didn't say anything anti-hb, she wasn't totally comfortable with it. But I wasn't too concerned since she is a pretty level-headed person and I trusted her to keep her discomfort to herself.

Everything went fine, she had no problems during my labor (except that she didn't like hearing me in pain - but she didn't comment on that until after). And I think by the end of the experience she was much more comfortable with homebirth. In all, I was glad she was there - my first instinct after ds was born was to ask to see her and dd - and her not-total-comfort was a non-issue.

It sounds to me like your FMIL is pretty open to the idea of homebirth - her wanting to learn more is a very hopeful sign. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up being pretty pro-homebirth, once she sees it in real life.

ETA: You can also point out that the dad knowing how to catch the baby "just in case" is a good idea for any couple - how many stories have you heard about the baby being born in the car on the way to the hospital?
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