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post #41 of 112
I have no advice on shopping I try as hard as possible to not take kids, I really cannot stand shopping with them, BUT I did take just DS the other day for a fair sized store run and it was fine. I'd rather do one HUGE shop every few weeks than take them.
post #42 of 112
Oh me, me, me!!! My almost 7 year old is one of the most frustrating, tiresome, demanding, hard-headed.... most sensitive, loving, thoughtful little boys I have ever met. Everything with him is extreme. The temper, the fits, the love, the generosity. Most days I feel like pulling my hair out by the end of the day... but then the times where he sits next to me and tells me he loves just being next to me is enough to make me forget all the bad moments. And like another poster said, as long as we are on the move and keep him busy, he's an angel... but idle hands are DEFINITELY the devil's playthings when it comes to him. I used to feel guilty about how much time I spent on him vs. DD, but she seems to have adapted well and has become much more independent then DS has ever been. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it works for her. I always worried that his bad habits would wear off on her too but so far, they don't seem to have had too much of an effect on her.

As for the store, I usually leave DS home with DH because I just CAN NOT deal with him at the store. We usually do one big trip every 2 weeks and then maybe 1-2 small trips in between so I don't have to take him. Every once in awhile, if he has money, I let him go... mainly because if he has something to focus on by buying something, he usually acts better... and I have found now that he is reading, he can help me with the grocery list sometimes is helping a lot.... the last few times we did this, it worked pretty well so maybe I can start taking him again. We'll see how long that lasts, lol.
post #43 of 112
I have two classically spirited kiddos (ds#1 and #3, though #1 is spunky physically), 1 physically spirited/emotionally spunky kiddo (ds#2), and 1 cool kid (ds#4) -- to use the definitions of spirited in the book. I'm definitely spirited, and dh is spunky. :-) We have some extrovert/introvert clashes, and definitely butt heads on many things. To say we have a lively household is a major understatement.

I'm happy to see this thread, because while I've been dealing with these issues for almost 10 years, it gets lonely. And by the time you have four kids, you stop sharing your trials with most people IRL, for a variety of reasons.

And to whoever said that all kids are "spirited" -- no, not in the way that the author uses the term. Spirited means "more" of just about everything, often recognizable from the very beginning. Spirited is also within the realm of normal -- not associated with ADHD, ADD, or other diagnoses (though certainly, you can be spirited and have these or other conditions/challenges). And after finally having a laid back "cool" kid (who is every bit as intelligent and motivated as the other three), I finally truly understand the difference. If I had had him first, I would be one judgmental mama! :-)
post #44 of 112
Grocery shopping: My DH actually surprised me yesterday and described a little bit of his shopping trip with DS. He says that they really have fun together, DS rides in the big part of the cart and DH often stops and "gets gas", makes funny car sounds, etc. I've seen him do this but I didn't realize that he was doing it every single time and that DS loved it so much. So my suggestion would be to find a way to make the shopping trip fun/or give them more responsibility like getting things for you/or just leave them home! I relish the shopping trips I get to do with just dd, sometimes I do take both of them or we all go as a family...it hasn't been too big of a deal in a while: I think when he was two and newly three there were a lot more meltdowns in the grocery store.

Oh, also a good thing to do if you do end up grocery shopping with the kids is to go over your family's "grocery store rules of the day" --if they change, mine are usually flexible and change according to what store we go to. As we're pulling in to the parking spot I'll say "what are the grocery store rules?" and he'll repeat whatever we've already agreed upon, usually it's that he will walk right next to me or ride on the end of the cart, and that if he has trouble staying next to me that he then needs to ride IN the cart. Usually if we go over the rules beforehand there are no problems, at the grocery store, anyway!
post #45 of 112
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Originally Posted by mama*pisces View Post
I think when he was two and newly three there were a lot more meltdowns in the grocery store.......

Oh, also a good thing to do if you do end up grocery shopping with the kids is to go over your family's "grocery store rules of the day" --if they change, mine are usually flexible and change according to what store we go to. As we're pulling in to the parking spot I'll say "what are the grocery store rules?" and he'll repeat whatever we've already agreed upon, usually it's that he will walk right next to me or ride on the end of the cart, and that if he has trouble staying next to me that he then needs to ride IN the cart. Usually if we go over the rules beforehand there are no problems, at the grocery store, anyway!
I've been doing these same kinds of things with DD, she was waaaaayyyyy worse when I was pg with DS and she was about 2.5, I HATED grocery shopping like it was the end all be all of life. My store has those little carts too and OMG her with the little cart was like grocery shopping hell.

After my last post I realized I had recently taken BOTH kids shopping and it went really well, DD is getting much more mature, for me her hardest spirited days were 2-3, I cried most every day, and being pregnant didn't help one bit. Plus I couldn't really carry her because of a tear in my placenta, yeah it was a bad time for us. I didn't really like being a mom of a spirited toddler. I'd watch other moms go to farmer's market or the store and their kids would just follow, obediently...I had one mom tell me that her kid "just knew the rules at the store", when my DD was melting down I live in a small town, I've seen this family lots, her DD never even talks, let alone bolts in public-whatever. Thank goodness DD is getting some control over her public meltdowns, I was ready to never leave the house after last summer.
post #46 of 112

struggling today

I am so glad it's bedtime because I really couldn't spend another hour in DS's company today
He is so intense and challenging right now and he is clearly missing his routine. Playful parenting works well but it's so hard with a newborn to a)find the energy and b) remember to do it!.

My big vent is....why doesn't he listen?????????!!!!!!!!!!
He gets plenty of outdoor time, lots of roughousing but it feels like we're constantly telling him to stop, be cqreful, be gentle. He even jumps up on DHs 84 yr old Grandma like she's a climbing frame!

So I know that 3 is a 'testing boundaries' stage...when does it stop?!

Anyone else need to share?
post #47 of 112
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You'll get there. You will. One day at a time. Once you feel able, get out to a park or somewhere your son can run around and play, where you can wear the baby or push a stroller behind him. Cabin fever will not do anyone any good in this situation.

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Thanks for taking the time to post this.
I took DS to the park yesterday and we did have fun. We met an equally spirited, younger boy there with his Mum and we all had an enjoyable hour.
I really need to adjust my mindset and stop reminding myself of the negatives.
Yes, DS is hard work and I'm really tired but DD is quite easy going thus far, and portable, so I need to give myself a kick up the butt and get out of the house....
post #48 of 112
Emma - hang in there, mama, just try to take it one day, or even one hour, at a time. I just got out of the stage you're in, with a three year old, a newborn, and my hormones going whacko. More than anything, you need to be patient and forgiving towards yourself, and try to see your ds in a positive light as much as possible. Spend some one on one time with him whenever possible, and definitely find a way to let him release some of that energy everyday.

A book that really, really spoke to me during that stage was: Kids, Parents, and Power Struggles by Mary Sheedy Kurcinka. I don't really know how much it helped as far as changing my actions, but it helped me to see that ds was really not out to get me, as much as it seemed that way. That the best thing I could do was try to decode his actions, because underneath that crazy button-pushing behavior was a boy that needed attention/was hungry/thirsty/tired/jealous/needed attention....so at the very least I began to look past the behavior long enough to try to figure out what was wrong, which made me less angry, and it made him seem more human.

HTH...I feel for you mama, I really know how hard it is.
post #49 of 112
Ok Mamas of Spirited Ones,
I've got a question/dilemma for you. Hang in with me, bc the background is long......
DD1 is a newly turned four year old. Last year I knew I wouldn't be able to provide her with the level of stimulation she needed when DD2 was born so we sent her to a montessori school for the year. After a rough adjustment period (brand spankin' new baby, extended family members in the house for a month, new school year, teacher, teacher's aide, classroom, rules, etc) she LOVED school. She's been home with me this summer and asks almost daily when is it time to go back to school, and informing me that she's bored and misses her education. She is very extroverted to my introverted, she's very active/intense. I've been busting my rear to keep her entertaned enough with VBSs, zoo camp, art camp, gymnastics, swimming, storytime at the library, and tons of playdates with friends this summer.
Last week she did a morning martial arts camp all week and loved it. Loved it completely except for the "graduation ceremony" where she flipped out bc 30 parents showed up, and they had to perform these kicks, sparring with the instructor, and board breaking infront of the parents. DD1 freaked out, cried, sat with me, and then got back up to break the board but needed the most help out of anyone, cried, got overwhelmed and then freaked out more when the kids came by to say good by to her and that they loved hanging out with her for the week. So, I'm doing my best to tell her how proud I am of her, that it's OK to be overwhelmed, that I know she did great bc I saw the kicks she did in the kitchen all week, etc. But inside my heart is breaking that she ended this camp on a bad note. And I can tell that she is proud of herself, but very disappointed that she didn't do the ceremony stuff.
Now school is getting ready to start back up, and right now her only scheduled activity afterschool is gymnastics once a week for an hour (which is her one true love). We'll probably do playdates once a week afterschool, too. Now she wants to add karate, but that is 2 one half hour sessions a week for at least 6 months. And this is the only martial arts studio in the area.
Should we do the karate program?
Pros:
-builds self-confidence, in front of people, which was an issue at times last year in school
-will successfully be able to do a graduation ceremony, remove the disappointment from the end of camp
-extra physical exercise, which will be great when it's too hot out or too cold out to go to the playground or pool (we are usually running her ragged for 2-3 hours a day)
-older kid friends, good role models
-self-discipline
-not a "girly girly" activity like ballet or gymnastics- very gender neutral in our area
-less free time at home (less time for me to try to figure out ways to burn off her energy when the weather is bad, less time for her to watch TV, less of a need for her to run laps around our living room at night, etc.)

Cons
-expensive
- overscheduled? I don't know if she'll be overscheduled or not, but once we're in, we're in the program. Is two to three activities after a full day of school too much for a 4 year old? Last school year we did no schedued activities, and had regular playdates one or two days a week. If we did this, then we wouldn't go to the zoo, museum, playgrounds, etc. nearly as much.
-less free time at home (less time for baking, free play, art, down time, destroying the house, etc.)
I have no friends with truly spirited children here, so no one understands why I schedule two playground playdates back to back (play with one kid for an hour, then another child for another hour), and they don't understand why I would even consider signing her up for two different active activities during the week.....
Yet.... I am a believer that kids should be kids and have plenty of unstructured time to just free play, so this kind of goes against my beliefs, but then again last year we did go nuts trying to get her to burn her energy off. It would be easier for me to sign her up so that there is less stress on me trying to fill her needs, but I would also miss some of our free time to play, do art, etc.
For the record, DD1 is very willing to do karate, but mainly just wants to wear the uniform and do the kicks.
Thanks for reading.... what do you think?
~maddymama
post #50 of 112
Did my very very very long post scare everyone off?
:-)
~maddymama
post #51 of 112
That seems like a bit much to me...I would personally keep it at one scheduled activity per week besides school. Especially since she's had the summer off and you don't really know how she's going to adjust to going to school every day again(I know you said she loves it, but it still may take a little adjusting to get back into the swing of things). Maybe keep her in gymnastics since that her passion, and see how everyone feels about things come winter? I just think it's better to be cautious than to accidentally overschedule her and then have to deal with inevitable meltdowns. HTH
post #52 of 112
mamapisces,
That's kinda what we are leaning towards... but I wanted to get some other perspectives.
Thanks!
~maddymama
post #53 of 112
Maddymama - I don't have an older child so this is just the first thought that jumps in my head. It seems like too much to me too. School & gymnastics will be great for social & physical needs. If you find she needs more, make regular playdates again or museum/zoo trips to fill the gap. School alone can be a stressful time even for kids who love it.
I've been reading the book "Hold on to your kids" and it's really reminded me about how important family time is (cooking, eating, playing together etc.)
post #54 of 112
It makes me happy to see all the spirited parents together! There are many times when I feel that ds is the only one!
post #55 of 112
Joining in, haven't the time to read everything posted...but DD is spirited and I would love the company...so subbing...
post #56 of 112
Hi Mamas,
We decided to go ahead and do the martial arts one afternoon a week- and they are "looser" with the little kids than with the big ones, so if we need to skip a week or two we can, and if we need to go two times in one week (bouncing off the wall in bad weather) we can. It's really up to us. We went today for class and DD1 LOVED IT!!!
Thanks for your advice.
~maddymama
post #57 of 112
Hey Maddymama, we are dealing with a very similar situation. My ds is almost 4.5. He is not in school but very active in a playgroup. Ds is a very spirited kiddo. Lately we have been doing activities almost everyday. I keep noticing that he is acting out. I am starting to think that he is over scheduled. Hopefully the karate works for you! Please let us know!
post #58 of 112
Now I'm the one with a situation.

I signed ds up for pre-k last January...the free, lottery-funded pre-k. It seemed like a good idea at the time...I went and met his teacher and her assistant, they answered all my questions(though I'm thinking now perhaps I didn't ask enough), were really great with the kids that were there, and we even got it worked out so that he was in the same class with his buddy, one of my friend's little boy that used to live behind us. The only thing I didn't like, and still don't, are the hours. They operate just like every other elementary school in our county, so the hours are 8:30-3:20 M-F. That is so ridiculously long for a 4 year old. I have been against it the whole time because of this, but I welcomed the break I would have, I welcomed the variety of toys and learning tools he would be exposed to, the structure, the hour nap/quiet time every day, which I figured when he got used to that in school it would be easier for me to incorporate a nap/quiet time on the weekends. Plus, I wanted more one on one time with dd, since ds got my undivided attention at her age, I figured she should get a chance at that too.

It started yesterday and he is already saying he doesn't want to go back. Even though his teacher says he is doing great, and that he and his buddy have been inseparable(and my friend is saying her son is really having a lot of fun with ds, etc) -- and he has been a DEMON both these days that I have picked him up. Yesterday was completely out of control...I know, it was the first day, I should have expected it....the school gets out at the exact same time as the elementary school across the street. I got there 5 minutes early and went on this crazy mission to try to get to the back of the carpool line, which of course starts on the opposite side of the street from where I come. It took me a good 35 minutes to get to the front of the school and get him in the car. Then, I had no snack for him. Silly me, again. He spent half the ride home kicking the back of my seat, yelling: "HUNGRY!" "HUNGRY!" and then he passed out, at past 4 in the afternoon. Which of course is not good for bedtime. More shenanigans at home, didn't want to cooperate, was cranky, having fits over little things...he finally calmed down and I managed to get him outside, and we played together during his sister's very late but short nap(fell asleep at almost 6 pm--we were just all out of whack).

Today I had a snack ready and was there at 3:10, but there were already about 10 cars in the carpool line in front of me and they didn't start releasing any kids until exactly 3:20. So I sat there with the car running(wasting gas) and dd sleeping in her carseat(thankfully), finally picked him up, gave him a snack, he was still cranky even though he said he slept at naptime today, still fell asleep on the way home, and was still almost impossible to deal with for the first two hours after we got home. I can. not. keep doing this every day. I'm spending the first 2 or 3 hours that I get to be with him just trying to get him to be reasonable with me, and then when we finally start having a decent time together, two hours later he needs to be asleep. And he is straight up telling me he doesn't want to go back, that the day is too long(not sure if I influenced that decision or not, since I'm sure he has heard me voice to friends, etc, that his school day is too long). But if he is with me all day, his intensity gets to be too much for me, he is such a social kid and we do live in a neighborhood with other kids, but we are about to move in less than a month, to a single family home(a very welcome change).

This is not his first time going to school. He started going to a Montessori-based school when he was 2 years 10 months, and did really well there, had a little bout of seperation anxiety that summer after he had been attending 4 months already, don't know where that came from but it was over in a couple of weeks(may have been cuz I was near the end of my pregnancy with dd) --that school closed b/c the teacher was running basically out of pocket and didn't have enough students to keep it open. From there he went to a local church preschool until May of this year. Both of these schools went from roughly 9-noon every day. And he was fine with that. But this, this is crazy scheduling for a 4 year old. Whatever happened to half day pre-k and kindergarten???? I understand that most parents have to work and that this works out beautifully for them since they don't have to pay those extra hours of childcare. But there should be an early pick up option. We can't afford to put him in private school right now, and the only other option I can see is homeschooling -- which to me looks great on paper but I don't know if I'm cut out for it? Especially since I don't know how to handle his intensity sometimes. I would feel a lot better if I had a close-knit homeschooling co-op(read: some help??) -- I know of one through LLL about 30 miles away, but they are a very tight knit group and I am not exactly in their "clique" -- even though I hold a lot of similar values/beliefs.

If you've made it this far, thank you for reading. I don't know what we are going to do. I cried to DH tonight and he said: "We are not taking him out of pre-k." He believes in the school system, and thinks we are not organized enough for hs...I told him he needs to keep an open mind and that I will give it til the end of next week and see how we feel then. Sigh....I don't know how I'll make it til then, if it keeps up the way it's been today and yesterday/ I really hope it gets better. I'm so sad, and confused as to what the right thing to do is.
post #59 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by mama*pisces View Post
Now I'm the one with a situation.

I signed ds up for pre-k last January...the free, lottery-funded pre-k. It seemed like a good idea at the time...I went and met his teacher and her assistant, they answered all my questions(though I'm thinking now perhaps I didn't ask enough), were really great with the kids that were there, and we even got it worked out so that he was in the same class with his buddy, one of my friend's little boy that used to live behind us. The only thing I didn't like, and still don't, are the hours. They operate just like every other elementary school in our county, so the hours are 8:30-3:20 M-F. That is so ridiculously long for a 4 year old. I have been against it the whole time because of this, but I welcomed the break I would have, I welcomed the variety of toys and learning tools he would be exposed to, the structure, the hour nap/quiet time every day, which I figured when he got used to that in school it would be easier for me to incorporate a nap/quiet time on the weekends. Plus, I wanted more one on one time with dd, since ds got my undivided attention at her age, I figured she should get a chance at that too.

It started yesterday and he is already saying he doesn't want to go back. Even though his teacher says he is doing great, and that he and his buddy have been inseparable(and my friend is saying her son is really having a lot of fun with ds, etc) -- and he has been a DEMON both these days that I have picked him up. Yesterday was completely out of control...I know, it was the first day, I should have expected it....the school gets out at the exact same time as the elementary school across the street. I got there 5 minutes early and went on this crazy mission to try to get to the back of the carpool line, which of course starts on the opposite side of the street from where I come. It took me a good 35 minutes to get to the front of the school and get him in the car. Then, I had no snack for him. Silly me, again. He spent half the ride home kicking the back of my seat, yelling: "HUNGRY!" "HUNGRY!" and then he passed out, at past 4 in the afternoon. Which of course is not good for bedtime. More shenanigans at home, didn't want to cooperate, was cranky, having fits over little things...he finally calmed down and I managed to get him outside, and we played together during his sister's very late but short nap(fell asleep at almost 6 pm--we were just all out of whack).

Today I had a snack ready and was there at 3:10, but there were already about 10 cars in the carpool line in front of me and they didn't start releasing any kids until exactly 3:20. So I sat there with the car running(wasting gas) and dd sleeping in her carseat(thankfully), finally picked him up, gave him a snack, he was still cranky even though he said he slept at naptime today, still fell asleep on the way home, and was still almost impossible to deal with for the first two hours after we got home. I can. not. keep doing this every day. I'm spending the first 2 or 3 hours that I get to be with him just trying to get him to be reasonable with me, and then when we finally start having a decent time together, two hours later he needs to be asleep. And he is straight up telling me he doesn't want to go back, that the day is too long(not sure if I influenced that decision or not, since I'm sure he has heard me voice to friends, etc, that his school day is too long). But if he is with me all day, his intensity gets to be too much for me, he is such a social kid and we do live in a neighborhood with other kids, but we are about to move in less than a month, to a single family home(a very welcome change).

This is not his first time going to school. He started going to a Montessori-based school when he was 2 years 10 months, and did really well there, had a little bout of seperation anxiety that summer after he had been attending 4 months already, don't know where that came from but it was over in a couple of weeks(may have been cuz I was near the end of my pregnancy with dd) --that school closed b/c the teacher was running basically out of pocket and didn't have enough students to keep it open. From there he went to a local church preschool until May of this year. Both of these schools went from roughly 9-noon every day. And he was fine with that. But this, this is crazy scheduling for a 4 year old. Whatever happened to half day pre-k and kindergarten???? I understand that most parents have to work and that this works out beautifully for them since they don't have to pay those extra hours of childcare. But there should be an early pick up option. We can't afford to put him in private school right now, and the only other option I can see is homeschooling -- which to me looks great on paper but I don't know if I'm cut out for it? Especially since I don't know how to handle his intensity sometimes. I would feel a lot better if I had a close-knit homeschooling co-op(read: some help??) -- I know of one through LLL about 30 miles away, but they are a very tight knit group and I am not exactly in their "clique" -- even though I hold a lot of similar values/beliefs.

If you've made it this far, thank you for reading. I don't know what we are going to do. I cried to DH tonight and he said: "We are not taking him out of pre-k." He believes in the school system, and thinks we are not organized enough for hs...I told him he needs to keep an open mind and that I will give it til the end of next week and see how we feel then. Sigh....I don't know how I'll make it til then, if it keeps up the way it's been today and yesterday/ I really hope it gets better. I'm so sad, and confused as to what the right thing to do is.
First, Change is so tough with kids, especially spirited kids.

Yes, it is a long day but the majority of kids spend longer at childcare/school than an adult spends at work - that's a mind trip! He may need a lot of time to adapt to this change in his schedule. If you think you can handle it a little longer, I personally would aim for six weeks to see if it gets better.

Good thing on the snack - gotta keep that blood sugar up! He may be passing out in the car because he's had so much energy output at school (which is a huge plus) - can you keep him awake by talking about his day or singing songs together or something like that?

I was apparently really high-strung and grumpy upon arriving home from school from about age 3 to ..... um, I still get that way after being out all day. I did (do) need to take about 30 min. to an hour by myself, like in my room alone, right away to sort out my day mentally and emotionally before I was ready to be a human being to my family. It took my mom a couple of weeks to figure that out but it really saved us both a lot of emotional heartache. Maybe he needs something like that too?

You are doing good! You are a good mother! You WILL figure this out for your family!
post #60 of 112
MamaPisces,

Okay, so we homeschool and always have -- just want to get that bias out there right now. :-) However, I have a ton of friends who use brick and mortar schools for their kiddos, and I can guarantee that each and every one of them would agree with me -- that school day is MUCH too long for a 4 year, especially a 4 year old spirited boy. That's a long time to be away from home (i.e. the familiar and comfortable), it's a long time to be on someone else's schedule, and if he is the least bit introverted, that's a long time to be expected to interact civilly with others. We would never expect a child his age to work those kind of hours, and yet for many children his age, it definitely can start to feel like work.

I would keep looking. He's not happy, you're not happy. There's no reason to rush, and it's okay to change one's mind about something like this (you won't be losing face or setting a bad example). There have to be some half days programs somewhere around you; alternatively, find some activities and schedule 2 or 3 days around those (drop off programs at the Y, or something like that).

As for homeschooling, it's not as difficult as you might think. :-) Really, with very, very few exceptions, the vast majority of parents are capable of educating their own children. There are many statistics to back this up. Homeschooling doesn't happen in one particular way, either -- it can look like what you (and your children) want it to look like. :-) And it might be worth checking into the homeschooling group, even if it looks cliquish. Looks can be deceiving, and the information and experience you can tap into can be invaluable.

GL!!
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