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post #21 of 27
This makes me cringe because it reminds me of a few friends that I no longer invite to my house. I have a few friends who really are very permissive with their kids and it leads to constant disrespect of my home and household: dumping toys everywhere without the parent helping to clean up (or the child cleaning up in the case of older children), eating food anywhere also without cleaning up the mess all over the house this causes (we eat in the kitchen or dining room only). I also find this has been a problem with sharing toys. I had one friends whose toddler was having so much fun the trampoline, her mom "couldn't get her off" and so left her on it for half an hour while the other kids stood in line waiting almost in tears. This despite that mom's awareness that there were lots of kids waiting and her child had had a lengthy turn to play. She really didn't want to take her off, simply because the toddler didn't want to get off. She even said, "I'd take her off, but she'd cry."
That's where I feel really irritated--when a lack of "no" results in disrespect or disregard for others.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by GatheringApples View Post
This makes me cringe because it reminds me of a few friends that I no longer invite to my house. I have a few friends who really are very permissive with their kids and it leads to constant disrespect of my home and household: dumping toys everywhere without the parent helping to clean up (or the child cleaning up in the case of older children), eating food anywhere also without cleaning up the mess all over the house this causes (we eat in the kitchen or dining room only). I also find this has been a problem with sharing toys. I had one friends whose toddler was having so much fun the trampoline, her mom "couldn't get her off" and so left her on it for half an hour while the other kids stood in line waiting almost in tears. This despite that mom's awareness that there were lots of kids waiting and her child had had a lengthy turn to play. She really didn't want to take her off, simply because the toddler didn't want to get off. She even said, "I'd take her off, but she'd cry."
That's where I feel really irritated--when a lack of "no" results in disrespect or disregard for others.

This was really helpful for me to read. I'm learning a lot from hearing other's boundaries. In the situations you described above, I would DEFINITELY have stepped in on the trampoline with no hesitation. Same thing with following the rules of the house. Like when we were car shopping and DS started shrieking when I made him get out of a car. I took him outside immediately.

I think the bolded part is the rule I need to keep in mind.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by GatheringApples View Post
This makes me cringe because it reminds me of a few friends that I no longer invite to my house. I have a few friends who really are very permissive with their kids and it leads to constant disrespect of my home and household: dumping toys everywhere without the parent helping to clean up (or the child cleaning up in the case of older children), eating food anywhere also without cleaning up the mess all over the house this causes (we eat in the kitchen or dining room only). I also find this has been a problem with sharing toys. I had one friends whose toddler was having so much fun the trampoline, her mom "couldn't get her off" and so left her on it for half an hour while the other kids stood in line waiting almost in tears. This despite that mom's awareness that there were lots of kids waiting and her child had had a lengthy turn to play. She really didn't want to take her off, simply because the toddler didn't want to get off. She even said, "I'd take her off, but she'd cry."
That's where I feel really irritated--when a lack of "no" results in disrespect or disregard for others.
To me this sounds more like the parents disrespecting than the children. I am more on the permissive side, but if we are at someone else's house, we follow their rules. And if my DS makes a mess, I clean it up. The parents should know better and should help, but I wouldn't expect my DS to understand not dumping out toys, etc.
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post #25 of 27
your parenting approach sounds appropriate for the age of your son. You could go into "we don't do this b/c, blah blah blah" but it wouldn't matter. He is way too young for lectures! Of course, this would change as he gets older and can fully understand cause and effect (which is later than most people think!). Young children learn best via imitation, so if the parent is modeling respectable behavior, then the child will also without the need for "words". Using pictoral descriptions also work better (hippy hoppy froggy, come hop on your lily pad over here on the floor).
post #26 of 27
Your kid is less than two? Not a ton to do in my opinion other than manage situations - i.e., you don't take him out to restaurants where people want to relax because he'll want to run around; if he's blocking the slide, you re-direct him so someone else can get town; if he dumps out the blocks at a friend's you help pick them up; etc. I do agree that as they get older it's important to teach them to respect other people's rules. But with a couple of caveats:

The first is that kids really do learn best through modeling, so I focus much more on my own behavior (or try) rather than as managing my kids. I am realizing how much stuff my kids pick up from me and it's my efforts at being respectful that show how it's done.

Also, I do think we live in a pretty kid-unfriendly society and some of the rules/expectations are so arbitrary and not cognizant of children's level of development. In that case, I think I do do things that other find overly permissive. Just a few examples:

-a friend with a child a year older than my and my friends' 14 and 16 month olds had a gathering that our kids were at; big beautiful space with tons of room and toys; our toddlers went to play with the blocks (I think they were in a bag?) and she said "they can play with them as long as they don't dump them". my friend and I were like "they're going to dump them b/c that's what toddlers do so if you don't want that, we should remove them" - we weren't insisting that they play with them but if they were out then i think it's crazy not to expect babies to respond in an age-appropriate way to the toy; we would of course help pick them up after or make a game out of putting them back in the bag

-at the big chain drugstore, my son went through a stage of taking things off bottom shelves if i let him walk - it was when he was first walking and learning to explore things; now i realize this is annoying if you are shopping and he gets in your way or if you are the worker; but i let him do it a bit and trailed after repairing everything he took down; when i got tired of repairing or if it got out of control, i put him back in the stroller

-at the playground, i think it's good to let kids manage some of their own interactions so i don't jump in right away if there's a conflict - but i will if it looks like it's overwhelming for the kid

-i probably would have let the baby play in the car too; at the music store yesterday where we had to be for a while, i let him play with the demo keyboard; it's the floor model and i supervised him but pretty impossible not to let him touch something so picked the best, safest thing

Anyways, I also err on the permissive side. I'm all for teaching kids to respect other people's rules (and think i could have done more of this with my daughter) but I also don't like to bend completely to arbitrary rules. If it's in public, then if I think it's unfair I'll just flount it; in the case with the friend who I think is overly controlling, I'll just really limit visits because it's not worth it.
post #27 of 27
I'm right there with you. I feel like I have to say no enough for the important things, like "don't play with the electrical socket outside" and I still get a fit from her when I pull her away from it. It just takes too much energy - negative energy to monitor every little thing.

One of my friends threatens time out constantly with her 2-year-old - If you scream you go in time out, if you tantrum at all you go in time out... all normal stuff as far as I'm concerned for a new 2-year-old. What does time out accomplish?

Anyway, just chiming in to say that I'm riding the "permissive" train with ya.
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