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post #1 of 12
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So my 22 month old has recently started testing my patience. She cut 4 canine's in 2 days, had a cold (then a fever several days after the cold ended), and the heat here has been in the 30's. So between that and her now 8 week old brother, things are afoot in our house.

She's been much happier over the last few days, but this is how the past few months have gone. She's never been good at leaving me alone, and she's still somewhat non verbal (although she does sign).

Lately she's been asking for something (usually food), then when I give it to her she'll get upset (doesn't want that), throw herself down to the floor in a very dramatic, and very short lived whine (she's never really thrown a tantrum). She's also taken to throwing things that she doesn't want. She asks for an apple, I give it to her, she throws it in a mad fit. Bananas were easy... I always either peeled them wrong, or she didn't want it cut, or whatever. Everything else, she flips out over.

She follows me EVERYWHERE, and is always on my heels so when I turn around to change direction, I slam her to the ground (accidentally, of course). She's basically just demanding much more time than I'm able to give her.

But the WHINING. OMG, THE WHINING! It's a very FAKE cry, that doesn't stop. And it's for everything.

My good friend (who is more like family to my daughter than a friend of mine) babysat while I had an appointment. When I got back, she told me how sassy she was. She would wait until my friend was looking at her to tell her to stop whatever she was doing (crayons up the nose, feeding cheerios to the dog, etc), and when they would make eye contact, my daughter would throw whatever it was to the ground, then look at my friend again with this look of "take that" on her face.

She did this fake cry for 2 solid hours last night before this happened... First she didn't want to eat (eating is another problem - she asks for stuff, then refuses to eat it), and ended up throwing her plate after she asked him to cut up an orange for her. She threw her plate twice and the second time it him him on the head. He shouted her name (sternly, not yelling), and picked her up and placed her on the other side of the kitchen and said "You stand over here! Do not throw dinnerware at daddy's head!" (which made me laugh, but I digress). She IMMEDIATELY stopped whining, he put her cut up oranges on the table and went to fold laundry, and a few seconds later she went off to play with a toy by herself (happily, might I add). A few minutes after that, she took her oranges to her dad, sat on his lap while he folded, and ate the whole thing. She was happy right down to bedtime.

I've been trying to be as patient and understanding as I can possibly be, but I really just want to say "GO TO YOUR ROOM AND STAY THERE UNTIL YOU DECIDE TO KNOCK IT OFF".

The whining and clinging off of me is one thing, but the "I want now but will change my mind when I get it" thing is another.

Does anyone have any tips for me on how to stop this? With the new baby (who btw, has 3 holes in his heart, so I'm stressing out enough as it is), it's becoming harder and harder to do this natural parenting thing.

She's a lovely child, but MAN, can she ever be challenging.

Edited to add: Her dad NEVER raises his tone of voice with her, so I'm sure that's why what he did was effective. ME however, am frustrated out of my mind so I'm sure she's picking up on that, making it worse. Had I done what he did, that would have sent her into an actual cry and not just a fake one.
post #2 of 12
Her behavior sounds very normal for her age. Two year olds do not have impulse control and also do not the high level reasoning skills to actually be defiant yet. When a child is two they are trying to see how much control they have over their self. It's also the common age for tantrums. Tantrums are how LOs learn to deal with overwhelming emotions so tantrums are actually useful for becoming emotionally mature. It's important not to punish for these types of tantrums because you can undermine the process of learning to deal with emotions. Being clingy and having more separation anxiety is also really normal too. You should probably read a book on normal development. I like The Science of Parenting by Margot Sunderland.

Parenting a two year old is a lot more fun if you have realistic expectations because you understand normal development.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your reply. I'm aware of all of this. I just don't know how to deal with it without going against my belief in natural parenting and gentle discipline (and keeping my sanity in the process). What to ignore, what to address, how to address it, etc.

And I own "The Science of Parenting". It's my favorite (non-)parenting book.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
BTW. I'm speaking more towards the whining and annoying behavior than all the other stuff (although that still applies). Right now she's VERY forcefully trying to spin my chair around (and whining while she does it), making it almost impossible to type. If I stop and look at her, she'll smile and say "up". The whining bothers me more than the physical manipulation of my chair, although that also works my nerves.

I can't pick her up right now for two reasons.

1. I've got my newborn in a sling.

2. I'm busy.

I need to find an effective way to teach her to A: tell me politely that she has a need (she HAS tapped my leg before and asked "please"), and B: patience to wait until I'm done, which is never more than a minute or two at a time, and that I WILL give her attention (this I know, will come in time).

It's an all day struggle, and at almost 2, she's more than capable of learning new behaviors. This is not about punishment. It's about finding ways to keep my sanity (and help teach her a more positive way in getting what she wants in the process).

Learning is one thing... doing it is another. Right now, it's about teaching.
post #5 of 12
We mostly just used redirection and calm instruction at that age. The annoying behavior is just there at that age. For whining you can say "I can't understand your words, use a friendly voice please." . For the demanding clingy phases I just gave my DD the attention she wanted. One thing that seems to help is to not take the annoying behavior personally. I don't think there is an effective way to get your DD to ask politely most of the time right now. Any method you use will take time for her to adopt the polite behavior as her own. She doesn't have the impulse control yet to be patient. You can continue to model patience and ask her to wait patiently but you probably won't really see it much until she's older.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
We mostly just used redirection and calm instruction at that age. The annoying behavior is just there at that age. For whining you can say "I can't understand your words, use a friendly voice please." . For the demanding clingy phases I just gave my DD the attention she wanted. One thing that seems to help is to not take the annoying behavior personally. I don't think there is an effective way to get your DD to ask politely most of the time right now. Any method you use will take time for her to adopt the polite behavior as her own. She doesn't have the impulse control yet to be patient. You can continue to model patience and ask her to wait patiently but you probably won't really see it much until she's older.
Thanks. I agree with this completely, but it doesn't make it any easier.

I try to address the need for attention by giving it, but it's hard to not reward the whining. I've seen it happen SO many times. Kid whines. Kid gets attention. Whining amplifies, and it becomes a bigger problem. The fact that she doesn't talk yet, doesn't help at all. She signs, she'll point, she says "that", "yes", "no", etc. But she's pretty non verbal, and she's a VERY high maintenance kid. Definitely makes it challenging.

As for the noise level, I've gotten down to her level and put my hands over my ears to show her that the level of her voice hurts me. She USUALLY quiets down and changes her tone, but she's too young to understand to do this every time. Patience of course, will come in time.

When she throws things, I explain that when she throws something, I assume that means she's finished with it. I'll either give her the option of going to get it later by putting it on a table, or I will actually put it away. She's starting to get that, but again... it doesn't make it any easier.

It's not this behavior that bothers me the most though, it's that its ALL. THE. TIME. She does NOT stop, and when she does leave me alone, she gets into trouble. She's a climber, so a lot of what she gets into demands my attention to redirect (which usually ends in her protesting).

It can take me up to 3 hours to drink my morning coffee, and breakfast has become cereal, toast, or anything else that I can make while fighting her off... So she doesn't really eat breakfast (she snacks), because I don't have an opportunity to MAKE anything. If I do get a few minutes, I'll make eggs or cut up some veggies (if I'm really lucky). But meals usually come in snacks because I almost never have two hands to do anything.

Thank goodness my partner has taken over lunch and dinner, or she would never get a proper meal. Not that she eats it anyway,unless she's sitting on his lap. And even then she often gets mad because he won't let her feed him. He just doesn't have time (he comes home for lunch and only has about 30-45 minutes at home).

I think I could handle it much better if she was genuinely upset, but she's not. She's just being incredibly whiny, and the lost puppy thing gets OLD.

She's given me time to reply to this though, so I'd better make good use out of it by cutting up some more healthy afternoon snacks (that she may or may not eat)!! LOL
post #7 of 12
I don't have any advice on how to make it easier or how to stay sane. I know the "its ALL. THE. TIME. She does NOT stop" feeling though. Right now my polite cheerful 4.5 year old talks incessantly, constant dialog even when she's playing. She's kinda lonely because her friends are busy with summer stuff and her preschool follows a regular fall through spring schedule. So she's often where ever I am either playing and talking or just talking to me. She even talks most of the time when she's painting now, too.

Don't get me wrong 4.5 is a million times easier than almost 2. It's just each age has some crazy annoying normal behaviors. But at least they go away.
post #8 of 12
I try to look at whining as "tantrum lite." Maybe not the full blown emotional situation, but definitely an expression of some frustration/issue/annoyance.

I think it might help to eliminate the idea that helping a child who is having negative emotions by cuddling, loving, etc. is rewarding bad behavior. That sort of thinking tends to get me into a more stubborn/adversarial mind-set that does not help.

This article says it much more eloquently than I could:
http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/la...y_porter2.html
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
I love Natural Child, and I don't have to go there to know that's a great link.

I do try my best to give her the attention she needs/wants, but I also try (harder on some days) to not be child centered. She is a part of MY world, and the fact remains that I can't just stop everything to tend to her need every single time she demands it. And she demands it a LOT.

Today was a good day though (minus this morning). She was pretty happy, and accepted my attention when I was able to give it (and left me alone when I wasn't).

But the whining!!! Oh man... that's enough all by itself to send someone straight to a padded room. And she is SO busy. I have friends that have 3 or more kids that tell me that she's more work than all their kids combined. lol
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by monkey's mom View Post
This article says it much more eloquently than I could:
http://www.naturalchild.org/guest/la...y_porter2.html
I really liked that article, but it seemed to be missing a really important part: What should you do when your child is in the middle of a tantrum?

Speak in a calm tone, center yourself if necessary, remain present. Afterwards, talk about his feelings.

But, ummmmm.... is it better to talk or just remain silent? Attempt to touch, cuddle, hug your child, or just stay near? What should you do when they push you away? It seems like a lot of times when DS is having a meltdown, my interaction with him prolongs the situation. Like he has to stay tantruming to save face or something, or more likely, keep telling me how upset he is.


Sorry, OP, I'm derailing your post. I have no great insights for you. But I can hear how hard you're trying and how close you are to the end of your rope. I wish you peace!
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Belia View Post
But, ummmmm.... is it better to talk or just remain silent? Attempt to touch, cuddle, hug your child, or just stay near? What should you do when they push you away? It seems like a lot of times when DS is having a meltdown, my interaction with him prolongs the situation. Like he has to stay tantruming to save face or something, or more likely, keep telling me how upset he is.
I think this is where attachment parenting has the edge on other "approaches," if you will. I think we do best when we respond to whatever it is that our specific child needs in each specific case. Some kids like a back rub, or talking. Some kids just need a quiet, calm parent sitting close. Some kids want eye contact, some kids might turn their heads away. Mine always did well with gentle rubbing and me softly saying things like, "There, there. Poor dear. There, there. I know. Poor little moo. I'm here, I'm here." I also find that a look of concern/empathy on my face can convey a lot and help the child know that he is being heard w/out having to add more talking/touching/input if that's already too much.

Belia, is it possible that your interaction allows him to feel safe enough to get every last bit of upset out? Or perhaps he needs more validation? I think many toddlers and young kids really respond to just repeating back what they're saying. Is that something that might work?
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
It is SO hard when they don't have words to use, and giving them the words might help at the moment, but it doesn't always help when the problem occurs again 5 minutes later.

The fact is that I cannot carry her around all day long. I have a baby to tend to, chores to do (which often get put off), meals to make, etc. I do the best I can, but I am only one person. I've been really lucky in the fact that she's only ever thrown one temper tantrum so far. She was maybe 16 months old and we had just come home from gymnastics. I guess she didn't want to be home because the minute we opened the door to go upstairs, all hell broke loose.

I don't see whining as mini-tantrums as much as I do just her way of trying to communicate. And I need to teach her (or work on teaching her) a new way to get my attention. Some days are much worse than others (like yesterday was a GREAT day).

She's always able to stop whining or (crying if she's upset) to tell me what she wants, but the problem is that she always wants something. Usually it's "up", but sometimes it's something that she doesn't want anymore once I give it to her. Or sometimes it's "that", and she'll point to something random. So I'll ask her again what she needs and she'll say "that" and point to something different (or just up in the air at nothing). Then it's back to the "you're not listening to me!" whine. She doesn't tantrum, but she can be quite dramatic.

Baby girl, I'm trying REALLY hard to listen to you and tend to your needs, but mama just doesn't understand OR have the time to do it all damn day long.

It SUCKS.
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