Heavy Metals/toxin test before/after vaccine - Page 2

[harli]

Originally Posted by Iucounu

This covers the Dr. Sears point of view pretty well:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=333

That's right. A scary max dose of vaccine-borne aluminum is far less than that from breast milk. Check out those scores from the formulas! I'd be interested to hear from anyone here who is unable to nurse, yet still thinks aluminum from vaccines is a serious health issue. There's simply no proof.

A number is just a number. It has to be read in context.

If you look at the numbers this isn't quite right.

Here's info taken from a pamphlet that was put out by the Vaccine Education Center at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. (the same place that Dr. Paul Offit works for that your link talks about). They pretty much skew the numbers to make them in their favor. The pamphlet was "Q&A Volume 3, Spring 2009 titled "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know".

Here is what they say.

Q. How much aluminum is in vaccines?
A. During the first 6 months of life, infants could recieve about 4 milligrams of aluminum from vaccines. That's not very much: a milligram is one-thousandth of a gram and a gram is the weight of one-fifth of a teaspoon of water. During the same period, babies will also recieve about 10 milligrams of aluminum in breast milk, about 40 milligrams in infant formula, or about 120 milligrams in soy-based formula.

Also...

Q. What happens to aluminum after it enters the body?
A. Most of the aluminum that enters the body is eliminated quickly. Though all of the aluminum present in vaccines enters the bloodstream, less then 1 percent of aluminum present in food is absorbed through the intestines into the blood. Either way, most of the aluminum in the bloodstream is immediately bound by a protein called transferrin, which carries aluminum to the kidneys where it is eliminated from the body. About 50 percent of aluminum in vaccines or in food is eliminated in less then 24 hours;85% is elminated in two weeks and 96 percent is eliminated in 3 years. The ability of the body to rapidly eliminate aluminum accounts for its excellent record of safety

First of all Dr. Sears and others that I've read talks about a complete lack of studies in the effects of aluminum given through vaccine. The last I heard there were only two studies done that do show aluminum to be harmful in IV to kidney patients and premies ( So they really can't say what aluminum that bypasses the GI tract does or that it has "an excellent record of safety" in vaccines).

Second of all they are IMO using numbers to make their beliefs look good. An infant may receive 10 mg in BM in the first 6 months of life but they are doing so over many feedings a day over a 6 month time period. That means they are getting 0.056mg of aluminum per day. To break that down even further they state that only 1 percent of the aluminum that passes through the digestive tract makes it to the bloodstream. That means that the babies kidneys only has to deal with .00056mg of aluminum.

Meanwhile, again using their numbers, an infant would receive 4 mg in the first 6 months of life from vaccines. That however is given over a course of 4 shot visits and all of it is going into the bloodstream because it isn't passing through the digestive tract. That means that a babies kidneys is now being asked to deal with 1 mg (on average to make things easier) of aluminum on 4 different days. 1 mg from vaccines is a heck of a lot different then .00056mg of aluminum from BM/day and I HIGHLY doubt that a little body that is used to handling .00056mg is capable of dealing with 1785 times more the aluminum given from a vaccine.

[ASusan]

Is there a relationship between heavy metals and (autism)?

[aihley]

Originally Posted by harli

If you look at the numbers this isn't quite right.

Here's info taken from a pamphlet that was put out by the Vaccine Education Center at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. (the same place that Dr. Paul Offit works for that your link talks about). They pretty much skew the numbers to make them in their favor. The pamphlet was "Q&A Volume 3, Spring 2009 titled "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know".

Here is what they say.


Also...



First of all Dr. Sears and others that I've read talks about a complete lack of studies in the effects of aluminum given through vaccine. The last I heard there were only two studies done that do show aluminum to be harmful in IV to kidney patients and premies ( So they really can't say what aluminum that bypasses the GI tract does or that it has "an excellent record of safety" in vaccines).

Second of all they are IMO using numbers to make their beliefs look good. An infant may receive 10 mg in BM in the first 6 months of life but they are doing so over many feedings a day over a 6 month time period. That means they are getting 0.056mg of aluminum per day. To break that down even further they state that only 1 percent of the aluminum that passes through the digestive tract makes it to the bloodstream. That means that the babies kidneys only has to deal with .00056mg of aluminum.

Meanwhile, again using their numbers, an infant would receive 4 mg in the first 6 months of life from vaccines. That however is given over a course of 4 shot visits and all of it is going into the bloodstream because it isn't passing through the digestive tract. That means that a babies kidneys is now being asked to deal with 1 mg (on average to make things easier) of aluminum on 4 different days. 1 mg from vaccines is a heck of a lot different then .00056mg of aluminum from BM/day and I HIGHLY doubt that a little body that is used to handling .00056mg is capable of dealing with 1785 times more the aluminum given from a vaccine.

This is my concern as well. Basically, if you want to convince us, you need to produce a study that examines blood levels, urine levels & kidney function in relation to intramuscular injection of aluminum-containing vaccines. IF there is truly nothing to worry about, then what's holding up studies of this sort? We know what safe levels of aluminum are in IVs, now all we need to know is how much gets into the bloodstream from vaccinations. Is that so difficult? With the money spent on making the over-reaching, logic-leaping propaganda campaigns, we could have studied this 10 times over.

I anxiously await the results of such a study. I'd love to protect my children with something I was confident in as safe.

[BellaClaudia]

Originally Posted by nitetrain

I would be quick to deny most of all vaccines, but his mother is a RN..So I may have to take some sort of action towards vaccines...

If his mother is a RN then she is a person of a science..
therefore she should be able to look at both sides and make informed risk evaluation for her own child.. as many MD did who although vacc. other people children they would never vacc. their own children.

It might might be helpful for you to ask her to read more what a medical world that opposes vaccinatins has to say.. that might be interesting to her..

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...t+vaccinations

Once upon a time there was a post on one of the forums.. can't recall where I saw it.. but it was curiuslly cute.. that mentioned two parents arguing the vaccines for their little one.. One parent was pro, the other was against..

The pro parent was very ferocious and jumpy borderline aggressive as to all benefits and goodies that the other parent was preventing the child from..
at some point came to the anti parent just asking simply and in wriging
that the Pro parent can give the anti parent a document stating
in writing and signed by that parent that there is ABSOLUTELY NO risks
involved in vaccinating their child and that that parent takes FULL responsibility in vaccinating that child, furthermore the anti parent requested
the anti parent to get the very same document from the doctor
that recommended the vaccination.. and since we all know the risks
that they carry and POTENTIAL .. neither of the asked parties
produced document, the Pro parent ralised that there were substantial risks..
and the doctor does not give such papers.. and quite contrary.. they do require parent to sign a paper releasing them from all responsibility comes to any complications that might result from the vaccinations.


I would recommend for you to request the Pro vaccination parent to obtain the copies of all vacciantion inserts that come with EVERY vaccination
and that do contain all the risks.. there is good few paragraphs of
warnings on each of them and this is quite reality check.

http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/inserts.htm

or here:
http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/inserts.htm#human

it is very intersting to go over them together.. as parents.


Good luck.