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Vaccinations for dogs?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I don't vaccinate my children, but I admittedly do not know much about vaccination for dogs. Are all vaccinations recommended and on the standard schedule? Can some be skipped or can they done on a different schedule? I am willing to do all vaccinations if all are necessary (obviously dogs are not children), I just don't want to overload my future puppy's tiny immune system if all of the recommended vaccinations are not actually necessary.

ETA: I just read something that says parvo can live in soil for a long time. We just bought this house in May and the people who lived here before us had 3 large dogs. Should that be a concern?
post #2 of 17
ok so here is the standard vaccine protocol:
8, 12 and 16wks DAPP (Distemper, Adeno virus, Parinfluenza and Parvo virus)
16wk Rabies vaccine
Bordetella (Kennel cough) is generally given at 16 wks with a booster required in 1 month)
Leptospirosis-depends on the area (not always given unless area indicated)
Then annually vaccines receive a booster ****this is where it really varies depending on hospitals/provincial and state laws****
There is a 3 year rabies vaccines that needs to be boosted if only given the one time at puppyhood.
The other vaccines as well can vary from once a year to everyother year.
This depends also on the vaccines the hospital is giving.
If a dog has had a reaction in the past we may separate the vaccine and/or give a shot of benadryl before hand.
Hope that helps.
post #3 of 17
We are vaccinating our dogs but not our kids.

Animals are in situations children never are. They could get out, get in a fight or get bitten by another animal, they sniff and sometimes eat other animal's poop, if you go to a groomer or if they have to be borded, they could be exposed to all sorts of things etc.... For me, I believe it's necessary to vaccinate my dogs.
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
I should mention I am in Ontario, Canada if that changes the requirements at all. Also what about heartworm prevention?
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by Heavenly View Post
I should mention I am in Ontario, Canada if that changes the requirements at all. Also what about heartworm prevention?
Yes. I am in Ontario too... The hospital I work at is in Toronto.
Where in Ontario are you? Some areas are very much hotspots for Heartworm disease. Prevention is very important. As a pup, depending on when born, you don't need to test before going on prevention. Yearly testing is important as it changes your protocol if by chance the dog contracted it.

Each hospital is different as regards to vaccines. My boss/friend is the president of the OVMA so she keeps very up to date on the goings on in the veterinary world. http://www.ovma.org/pet_owners/pet_h...cinations.html
post #6 of 17
My vet is wonderful in that they do Titers on the animals before vax-ing. As long as the Titers are in the acceptable range, they don't vax the dog and they give us a letter/form with the titer levels on them as proof for kennels, dog parks, etc.

We do however, do hearworm and flee and tic prevention b/c with a baby, I just don't want to risk my dog bringing that into the house.

I suggest asking your vet's office if they will titer their antibody levels to see if vax-ing is necessary
post #7 of 17
I'm also in Ontario. I have to say I would not follow the schedule listed above, just my opinion though. I think that is pretty much like the maximal amount of vaccines you can give. The only vaccine legally mandated in Ontario is the rabies one. The province specifies that it must be given according to manufacturer instructions rather than giving a duration (so that means that a 1 year rabies vaccine is valid for 1 year, while a 3 year rabies vaccine is good for 3 years). For this reason we always go for the 3 year vaccine as it is essentially the same content, however it is "rated" differently.

Regarding the other vaccines, how early and often you give them, and which ones, is completely up to you. Giving them too early will not be effective since maternal immunity that the puppy has will prevent the vaccines from kicking in. One excellent source of info on canine vaccines is Dr. Jean Dodds. She is currently involved in a rabies challenge study which is trying to define the efficiency of the rabies vaccine over the long term - 5 and 7 years. Here are her vaccine recommendations:
www rabieschallengefund.org
post #8 of 17
I only vaccinate for Parvo, Distemper, and Rabies. And after the puppy series, I booster at one year, and then I don't booster anything except for Rabies, because it is required by law. I do, however, run titers on my dog every two years.

Distemper/Parvo combo (Intervet): 9 weeks, 12 weeks, and 16-20 weeks, 12 month booster

Rabies: 24 weeks or older (although I delayed it until 1 year for my own comfort), 1 year booster, then 3 year boosters thereafter.

There's no point in vaccinating puppies younger than 6 weeks, because the maternal antibodies will counteract the vaccine, rendering it useless...actually, only 30% of puppies will be protected after earlier shots, but 100% will be exposed at the clinic.

Leptospirosis is not recommended
1) There are an average of 12 cases reported annually in California.
2) Side effects common.
3) Most commonly used vaccine contains the wrong serovars. (There is no cross-protection of serovars) There is a new vaccine with 2 new serovars. Two vaccinations twice per year would be required for protection.).
4) Risk outweighs benefits

Lyme is not recommended
1) Low risk in California.
2) 85% of cases are in 9 New England states and Wisconsin.
3) Possible side effect of polyarthritis from whole cell bacterin.

Boretella
(Intranasal)
(killed) Only recommended 3 days prior to boarding when required.
Protects against 2 of the possible 8 causes of kennel cough.
Duration of immunity 6 months.

Giardia not recommended
Efficacy of vaccine unsubstantiated by independent studies

If you're interested in reading about overvaccination in dogs, please research Dr. Jean Dodds and her groundbreaking research.

http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/iss...s_20036-1.html
http://www.news.wisc.edu/8413
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODD...-PROTOCOLS.HTM
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/VACCINE1.HTM
post #9 of 17
Dr Dodds is excellent for vaccine advice. There are also the American Animal Hospital Association Guidelines, which recommend vaccinating every 3 years for "core" vaccines. So far I've been using them because I've found a boarding kennel that will accept that schedule and I don't believe vaccinating yearly is necessary or healthy, but also don't have anyone to look after my dog if I go on vacation, kwim. You can find those recommendations here- http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf

One thing I do with my dog is to look at each vaccination separately, and determine our risk. I do vaccinate for Lepto, for instance, because I believe our risk is high do to location and activities, and the disease is fatal and often not diagnosed properly until its too late. However, for the vast majority of folks, Lepto is NOT a necessary vaccine. I do not vaccinate for Lyme because even though our risk is moderate, I keep my dog on good tick control, and its treatable. The vaccine may actually prevent diagnosis of disease in vaccinated pets who later contract it as well. We actually did have a tick bite and engorge despite the tick control early this year, and we simply put her on prophylaxis for a month ($4 prescription from Walmart, no big deal) This will be different for everyone and depend on your comfort levels and your geographic location and environment.

Two vaccines must be given yearly or every 6 months, depending on circumstance. They are Lepto and Bordatella (kennel cough) Both are optional and not necessary for most dogs. But if you choose to give them, you need to be aware that they do need to be given more often. Viral vaccines last for years and can be given far less frequently.

In most areas Rabies is required by law, and its a good idea to comply with the law. If your dog nips or even scratches someone, they need to be vaccinated for their legal protection. Even the nicest dog in the world is at risk. For instance, say another dog attacks yours, someone tries to break up the fight and ends up with a bite or scratch. Its hard to know which dog it came from, so both will be quarantined. Most areas accept a 3 year Rabies vaccine, so get it if you can. There is no difference between the one year and the three except price, but a one year will not cover you legally for three years.

As far as heartworm, preventative is a must. I've looked into natural alternatives, but every source I trust, such as the Whole Dog Journal, conclude that conventional preventative is the best choice, and natural methods are not worth the risk. I do use an alternate dosing schedule though- I give a dose every 45 days. The medication has been proven to work at that interval, but the companies sell more recommending a 30 day interval (plus they don't think most people can remember 45 days- 30 is easy- once a month). I also only give preventative during the season my dog is at risk for. In our area, thats June-October. This site tells you how to figure out when heartworm is transmittable in your area http://www.tibetanmastiff.net/Heartworm.html
And this is the Whole Dog Journal article on Heartworm prevention http://www.dogaware.com/articles/wdj...revention.html
post #10 of 17
You've gotten good info here!
post #11 of 17
My dogs are 7 and 8, they were vaxed by the breeder before I got them but not since. The modern vax schedule is total overkill and has resulted in some serious side effects in many pets. If dh starts taking our one dog out with him hunting then I will get her a rabies vax booster. Other than that nope. We do give heartworm, worm and flea prevention now that we have moved to an area where that is prevelant, but prior to that we didn't as it wasn't needed.
post #12 of 17
I another site I have found as a good resource for this kinda thing, is: http://www.alt4animals.com/

hth!
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by amcal View Post
We are vaccinating our dogs but not our kids.

Animals are in situations children never are. They could get out, get in a fight or get bitten by another animal, they sniff and sometimes eat other animal's poop, if you go to a groomer or if they have to be borded, they could be exposed to all sorts of things etc.... For me, I believe it's necessary to vaccinate my dogs.
This^^
But we only vax for Parvo, distemper and rabies.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
I think after all the research we have decided we are going to vax for parvo, distemper, and rabies. We are also going to do heartworm prevention. Do you think a vet will have a problem with us not doing the other vaxxes?
post #15 of 17
I got my dog in the summer of 2008, when she was just about to turn 4yo. she had been vaxed on the recommended schedule. Right before I got her, she was boostered to high heaven.

Since she is a tiny dog (6.5# toy poodle) I don't plan on keeping up with yearly boosters. In the two years I have had her, I have only done rabies. Last summer her 1yr shot expired, so I did the 3yr booster. I will keep doing the 3yr booster for life.

I am considering the value of doing a few others at 3yr intervals. I know for sure that lepto is not a concern. Without looking at my notes, I only remember so much, but I know that one vax if for the common cold, which is not a huge life-threatening risk for a healthy adult dog, and 1 or 2 others are most dangerous for puppies. More than likely, I won't do the boosters next year.

I do Iverhart Max every 30 days. We live in mosquito country, and I'm not taking any chances. I don't worry about ticks too much; I have to keep her combed regularly so I always find ticks before they latch on.

My girl is an indoor dog and is on a raw diet. She is very healthy and almost never is around other dogs. But she did have a lump on her shoulder for the first year and half I had her, which I can only speculate was from a vax. So I am very, very cautious about doing any more.
post #16 of 17
it depends on the vet, but I've never had any problems
post #17 of 17
My vet was a bit resistant at first, but I gave him the AAHA guidelines and he's been ok with it. Occasionally he mentions vaccines and I just tell him my decision and that's it. I don't know if he's that way with everyone, or if its because he knows I research all my decisions. Actually, I have more trouble with the receptionist who is always trying to "upsell", but I simply always politely decline and sometimes point out the contrary research to the suggestion.

You might have trouble if you ever need to board your dog. I'd either make sure you have friends/family or a reliable pet sitter lined up, or try to find a kennel that is in line with your vaccination beliefs. If your breeder is close by, I know some breeders like to petsit for their puppies. Same for training classes, dog day care etc. Generally people who are really into dogs are knowledgeable about alternate vaccine schedules and such, but people who deal mostly with pet people tend to be more mainstream, in my experience.
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