Pertussis epidemic? But don't want to vaccinate - Page 2

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by abimommy

The article you linked said it was occuring with more frequency among caucasians



To me it is racism and access to health care.

They go on to say that hispanic infants are disproportionately affected:

One area that has puzzled health officials, however, is the incidence of whooping cough among Hispanic infants.

In a written statement Friday, Chavez said, "at this time, we don't know why Latinos under the age of six months appear to be disproportionately impacted."

While the overall rates for Hispanics are lower than for Caucasians, the rates are highest among Hispanics younger than 6 months.

and you can see this in other articles breaking down the numbers in response to the "hispanics are spreading it" myth. hispanic infants more affected, nonhispanic white older children more affected-- equaling out in the end.

[JessicaS]

IMO people who are better off economically are better able to follow quarentine procedures.


If someone is economically disadvantaged then they are less able to stay home with a sick child. They are also less likely to be able to keep their child home even if they know there are sick kids at the daycare.

I can't imagine just the simple advantage of having non-working grandparents living nearby. I remember my older sister and I staying at my grandma's house with chickenpox. When I was little I thought that pink antibiotic stuff was something only my grandma had.

[carriebft]

I have to go but I do agree with that. and I think we are, in the end, saying the same thing and agreeing that it is not racist to seek reasoning as to why so many hispanic families are dealing with this disease in their babies.

Are hispanics "spreading it". obviously not. we have the data.

Is it racist to be seeking an answer to why their infants are more risk? definitely not.

I think the racism comes in in the first comment- in the "hispanics are spreading it" myth. But I think the members here were looking at the second statement; they are trying to determine WHY. In short, I don't think the member who originally brought up the comment about hispanic infants meant it as a racist comment.

[bits and bobs]

If 7 babies died from a pertussis vaccine everyone would be outraged, why are people so blase about 7 babies dying of this disease? It hurts my heart to read statements here that 'only 5 babies died'.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by bits and bobs

If 7 babies died from a pertussis vaccine everyone would be outraged, why are people so blase about 7 babies dying of this disease? It hurts my heart to read statements here that 'only 5 babies died'.

I agree with you; I am not seeing where anyone actually said "only five babies" but there may have been an implication in the "numbers" aspect of things. I think it is a very significant number of infant deaths (7) and, looking at infant case load to hospitalization...we see that 50% are hospitalized in infancy, so that definitely tells me that is a serious situation for that age group. add 7 deaths to that and the very high pneumonia rate...well...I just could never brush it off by wrapping those statistics in the total pertussis numbers. plus, we can easily say the rest "recovered" but some may have had very prolonged illness, hospitalization, broken ribs, etc. to some, death is not the only thing to be looked at.

[AmandaBreanne]

Thank you for the advice!

Thank you so much to the original replies that spoke specifically to my concerns. I will definitely be getting the sodium ascorbate to have on hand. How do I use that?
I am exclusively breastfeeding and am so thankful for the natural remedies that come from such an easy thing to do!
I will read the links you all provided.

[fruitfulmomma]

Per the Vaccinations board guidelines we are not allowed to discuss issues beyond the scope of the vaccination itself which is why I did not elaborate in my comments, but I think the OP has the right to know that the deaths are occurring in a specific population, for whatever reason that might be. And no, I don't think it has anything to do with the amount of pigmentation in their skin.

As for the numbers and "only 5 or 7 babies" (NOT what I said), again it is helpful to get perspective of the reality of the epidemic. Yes, it is horrible that those babies died and no, I am not brushing them off but how does it help the OP to make a decision of what *she* should do for her family to mention that "children are dying" and give no context to that???

As far as not understanding what children who get pertussis are going through, please don't make assumptions. My husband reacted *very* badly to DPT and was in and out of the hospital for the first four years of his life with reoccurring cases of pertussis and convulsions. (He has also reacted badly to other vaxxes as well.) According to the *CDC* the DTaP is contraindicated for *my* kids because of this. I am tired of people playing the bad mommy card to myself and other parents with stories about how our kids are going to all die or be maimed for life or how we are killing other children.

[amnesiac]

Please remember to keep discussion focused on the vaccine related topic. Feel free to start new threads in H&H if you wish to further explore other remedies/treatments for pertussis infection.

[Lauren31]

Originally Posted by fruitfulmomma

As far as not understanding what children who get pertussis are going through, please don't make assumptions. My husband reacted *very* badly to DPT and was in and out of the hospital for the first four years of his life with reoccurring cases of pertussis and convulsions. (He has also reacted badly to other vaxxes as well.) According to the *CDC* the DTaP is contraindicated for *my* kids because of this. I am tired of people playing the bad mommy card to myself and other parents with stories about how our kids are going to all die or be maimed for life or how we are killing other children.

Where did you find the information for this? DTP is much different then DtAP and your husband's reaction is not a contraindication for your children to get DtAp according to the CDC. If you are uncomfortable giving the dtap that is a different story. I ask this bc I had a reaction to DTP.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac...tions-vacc.htm

[fruitfulmomma]

Where did you find the information for this? DTP is much different then DtAP and your husband's reaction is not a contraindication for your children to get DtAp according to the CDC. If you are uncomfortable giving the dtap that is a different story. I ask this bc I had a reaction to DTP.

I am aware of the differences of the two. I have also spoken with mothers of children who received DTaP, who reacted to it with convulsions. When I did my research, a family history of convulsions was listed on the CDC website as a contraindication to the DTaP. It appears that their list was updated as of 2007, so perhaps they don't consider it one anymore. They do still list seizures as a possible reaction to DTaP. Either way it is not a risk I am willing to take with my children.