The August CTA/Fertility Awareness Thread - Page 2

[Toolip]

It's so great to see everyone here in August!!! Thank goodness you all still want to hang around!!!

I need some advice!

Bottom line... unprotected sex on the am of cd 7, have some plan B around, should I take it?

Details:
AF started on July 27, medium, brown spotting. Red flow overnight. I wasn't sure if I should call that CD 1 or not. If it is not, the BD would have been CD 6, which is better....

Sticky seems to be my BIP, I can always find some cf, I was sticky all day on cd 7.

Today, CD 8, creamy cf.

I've never o'ed (or rather, it hasn't been detected on my chart) earlier than cd 12. If it took 3 days for the temp rise, theoretically I could have O'ed on cd 9 but we'll call it cd 10 since we earlier discussed the impossibility of an O earlier than cd 10. So, worst case, I could have had unprotected BD 3 days before O... if O shows up on CD 12.

I am really, truly avoiding! The BD happened because of a miscalculation of what cd I was on b/c we forgot what day of the week it was (ahhhhh.... summer!)


Sooooo..... I know I haven't O'ed yet. Just so scary that there may be a few survivors that could be up there waiting when I do O.


So what would be your analysis of my situation?

[Toolip]

Oh, and here's my chart

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b6757

[Guthu]

Oh my I just looked, like really looked at my dates for the past few months.

This chemical pregnancy thing kinda messed me up, coupled with stress.

Normal cycle about 25 days

Cycle of M/C 44 days (with the mid cycle light bleeding-spotting thing)
Cycle after that 31 days
Last cycle 26 days

I see an improvement! I hope this cycle is more normal along with the next one being normal!


lower abs and joints still sore and hurty and most food still looks eh to EWWWW *gag* to WANT NOW half the time(all within the span of 30mins). But we are getting there I think.

I also had 3 random squirts of blood this morning, that made this period last 4 days currently, day 3 of period was also like that. and the 2 first days involved crescendo/wave cramping (normally just constant) and bleeding mostly in the morning. Less pad changing mid day, that is nice.

[MarineWife]

annie ~ Even with the cd15 temp adjusted down, if you use NFP rules for LTL and HTL, O still could've been cd14, I believe. I guess it depends on whether or not the 3dpo temp being right on the LTL is ok. According to FAM rules, I think that would put your O on cd17.

Toolip ~ I'm confused. Are you saying you think you will O on cd10 or are you asking what to do in case you do? Personally, I wouldn't worry about dtd on cd7 but I don't O early enough for that to be an issue and I wouldn't mind a pg. Seems to me you could at least wait to see when you O. You can't be pg or getting pg now so it's just a worry about sperm still being present when you do. I can't recommend taking the plan b regardless of the situation so I don't know what to tell you.

[Toolip]

I'm just saying that cd 10 would be the worst case scenario if I O'ed then, still a chance of living sperm.... ykwim. It is possible that I have o'ed on that day in the past if my temp spike didn't show for several days.

So if I was sticky all day that day (my BIP) I would be considered safe, right?

I think I'm going to consider myself ok and try to let it go. If I were to take the plan B, it would be to delay/prevent O, so I can't wait to see when I do end up Oing, then it would be too late...

Also, I wanted some clarification about what my CD 1 should be.

oy, I'll probably be nervous all month!

[Smokering]

I have the best chart this month. I've had the flu for the last two days...

Toolip: When do you usually O?

[Toolip]

Originally Posted by Smokering

Toolip: When do you usually O?

my ff stats say that my earliest O is cd 12 and my latest O is cd 15. If that's when I actually O, I think I'm cool with the risk, however, it's the fact that I could actually be Oing 3 days earlier than those dates (because of the delay in temp spike), that makes me nervous.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Toolip

I'm just saying that cd 10 would be the worst case scenario if I O'ed then, still a chance of living sperm.... ykwim. It is possible that I have o'ed on that day in the past if my temp spike didn't show for several days.

Oh, ok. I get what you mean now.

Originally Posted by Toolip

So if I was sticky all day that day (my BIP) I would be considered safe, right?

I think I'm going to consider myself ok and try to let it go. If I were to take the plan B, it would be to delay/prevent O, so I can't wait to see when I do end up Oing, then it would be too late...

Also, I wanted some clarification about what my CD 1 should be.

oy, I'll probably be nervous all month!

TCOYF says that having sticky as a BIP increases your chances of pg slightly. I didn't realize the plan B was to delay or prevent O. I thought it was used to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. I guess now that you mention it and I think about it, delaying/preventing O makes more sense. I still can't in good conscious recommend that anyone take it because I think it's harmful to take synthetic hormones.

I guess when cd1 was depends on what you mean by overnight. If it started before midnight, I'd call that day CD1. If it started after midnight, the next day would be cd1. I'm not sure that it really makes that much difference. TCOYF says when recording BD you can choose whether to put overnight sex for the previous day or the next day. The important thing is to be consistent.

[katiedidbug]

Mamas, may I join? I got my first pp af earlier this month. DS2 is 15 months. We want at least three and have two now, but we're not ready yet. DH is working on his Master's degree, and he has two more years. We're thinking of trying again next summer. But for now, we're tta with FF charting. If I were to get pregnant, I would be fine w/ it. DH would not be pleased. I might even be secretly happen.
But for now, I am going to do my best to avoid. I have a delayed ovulation. I'm at ILs right now and forget my thermometer. Oops.

[katiedidbug]

Oh yeah, here's my chart:
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2047a5

[MovingMomma]

Well I was wondering where all the CTA posts were...I forgot to find the new month!

Carrie, please move me to the not CTA section.

Toolip: I think MW covered it all! Sticky can be "safe" if it's your BIP, but any CM means sperm are more likely to survive...and you just can't know when you'll O until you get there! I thought it might be reassuring to check your typical CM build up pattern, but it looks like you're missing data on your last chart.

annie: w/out any CM data I'm not even going to guess!

MW: w/out more than one low temp I'm not even going to guess! But I am stalking your chart!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by MovingMomma

MW: w/out more than one low temp I'm not even going to guess! But I am stalking your chart!

I was wondering why you hadn't chimed in. I thought maybe your dh was home and you were busy. I knew your answer, anyway.

[BarefootScientist]

Toolilp, I would call an AF that started overnight on the next day, meaning you BD on CD 6. And you did it in the morning of CD 6 correct? The morning of a sticky day, which is your BIP, and you've never had a temp shift before CD 13? I really don't think you have anything to worry about.

Originally Posted by Toolip

I'm just saying that cd 10 would be the worst case scenario if I O'ed then, still a chance of living sperm.... ykwim. It is possible that I have o'ed on that day in the past if my temp spike didn't show for several days.

I know we've discussed this ad naseum in regards to the Doering rule etc. but I really think if women do O that long before a clear thermal shift, it must be very, very, very rare. I think in most cases O is the day before the thermal shift. I know it says it in TCOYF and all that but I'm inclined to think it really doesn't happen that often.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by BarefootScientist

I know we've discussed this ad naseum in regards to the Doering rule etc. but I really think if women do O that long before a clear thermal shift, it must be very, very, very rare. I think in most cases O is the day before the thermal shift. I know it says it in TCOYF and all that but I'm inclined to think it really doesn't happen that often.

Now I'm regretting ever mentioning that. It was sort of tongue in cheek. I didn't realize it would freak anyone out so much.

Considering that most pgs occur from dtd on the peak day and the day before and most thermal shifts start the day after the peak day, I'd say it's rare that O occurs 3 days before the start of the thermal shift. I think anything like that that is out of the norm is rare. I think Oing before cd12 is probably pretty rare, too.

[Baby_Cakes]

Toolip - Pretty much everything I was going to say has been said by our experts already!
I wouldn't worry. I think wait and see when you O. Your chances even w/a CD10 O would be pretty slim.

Welcome Katiedidbug!

[katiedidbug]

Thanks, BabyCakes. I'm glad to be joining you women. If I truly want to avoid, I'm gonna need some inspiration so I don't just get lazy, lol. After DS1--when I got my cycles back at 15 mos--we were ttc right away, so it was really easy to chart, because I wanted the result. I've noticed, though, that this time around I've been kinda lazy. I'll be up for two hours and realize I never temped that day just because I forgot. That never would've happened when I was ttc!!

[HulaJenn]

personally I think anyone that has gotten pg while doing it early on in their cycle is because of some super sperm survivors and not Oing earlier than the thermal shift. Otherwise, what is the point of NFP and charting?

Toolip - I think the odds are very rare if your history of Oing has been cd12 at the earliest and dtd on cd7 with sticky cm- but not impossible. So you do what you are comfortable doing.

AFM: 12dpo - why is it that this being the last month we should NOT be pg, I over analyze symptoms even though we were careful! Like my chart overlay is close to my pg chart this month and my breasts feel heavier than usual! Oh and I REALLY wanted chocolate pudding yesterday! LOL (all likely pms signs as well!)
My Chart

Is there any significance to having a clearer thermal shift than previous months? I usually get a slow rise and can sometimes be hard to decipher, but this month it really jumped - making post O temps, normal range, but a lot higher than coverline for me.

[annie2186]

Originally Posted by HulaJenn

Is there any significance to having a clearer thermal shift than previous months? I usually get a slow rise and can sometimes be hard to decipher, but this month it really jumped - making post O temps, normal range, but a lot higher than coverline for me.

**disclamer** this is just my personal opinion and has no base in fact whatsover

I just think that some months our bodies have a stronger O than other months..........
For me at least, some months I have fertile CM and then SOME months I have like "oh wow, so THIS is EWCF"!!!

I think some months our bodies just get more hormones, so we have more fluid, better fluid, and a stronger temp rise............well, that is my opinion anyways!!

For example, my body has NO freakin clue what the crickey it is doing this month WHATSOEVER!!!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e

[Toolip]

Originally Posted by BarefootScientist

I know we've discussed this ad naseum in regards to the Doering rule etc. but I really think if women do O that long before a clear thermal shift, it must be very, very, very rare. I think in most cases O is the day before the thermal shift. I know it says it in TCOYF and all that but I'm inclined to think it really doesn't happen that often.

yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

I've have had a cd 12 temp shift before but in another thread there was a discussion about the impossibility possibility of Oing before cd 10, because it takes an egg that long to develop. That's why I said that CD 10 was the earliest possibility.

I did end up taking the plan B. If this discussion is not appropriate for this thread, I will delete it I did it for two reasons. One is that I started getting creamy on cd 8, which I usually don't notice until later (I was probably just being extra meticulous about checking). And the other is that I just had my mercury fillings replaced and have a lot of circulating mercury (having lots of detox symptoms) right now which could be very, very bad for a baby. I wish I could find more detailed info on how long it will delay O, and what it does at different parts of a cycle... Everything I read seems to say to get on BCPs right away to increase effectiveness. I took it last night and I have a wicked headache this am. My temp didn't really change much yet

my chart

[MarineWife]

Jenn ~ I have heard that there is something called a stronger O so what annie said makes sense. Either way your chart looks triphasic to me.

annie ~ That is crazy!