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post #41 of 60
4/3/04 at 12:52am
Thank you for that link.

My Father of blessed memory always made statements about those facts, but no one believed him.

I always loved that Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, a pediatrician, would speak up against vaccines the way he did. He always said that he changed his mind about Modern Medicine when his patients from the 1950's returned to him in the 1970's with the damage he had done to them. He compared Modern Medicine to a religion and stated that vaccines were one of the holy waters of the religion.

Sure do miss his advice.

I am glad that MDC is here!
post #42 of 60
4/4/04 at 7:28pm
Sorry I am so late but I just happen to come across this on an European site.

Here is the translation:

Which disease disappeared without vaccination?

1. Plague
2. Erysipelas
3. Puerperal fever
4. Lepracy
5. Bubonic Plague
6. Antonine Plague
7. Scarlet fever (no vaccine and it is almost noninfectous)
8. Thyphoid fever (same)
10.Black Death

I don't thing they are in the right order.

Anyway about the Black Death - 1438 - 1441

It killed 60 million people in Europe. That was 1/4 of the population at that time. We have no Black Death Disease now although there was never a vaccination developed.
post #43 of 60
4/4/04 at 7:40pm
Quote:
Originally posted by applejuice
My Father, RIP, supposedly had rheumatic fever which involved his heart muscle tissue when he was a boy.

When he was 86, and dying from cancer in the hospital, the u/s technician did a scan on his heart and said that his heart looked very healthy with no visible scar tissue or any damage- My Father never had any heart trouble. He always ate what he wanted.

I wonder about the diagnosis he was given as a child...did he really ever have rheumatic fever? If he did, why didn't the scan show anything?

Makes me wonder about anydiagnosis anyone receives and how the diagnosis was arrived at.
WOW! Dr. Mendelsohn talks about that in his book "Raising a Healthy Child in Spite of your Doctor". It's under Strep Throat. Interesting I believe him more and more.
post #44 of 60
4/4/04 at 10:54pm
They may not have had a vax for the plague when it was around, but if you'd like a jab, don't ya know they have one now. :

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...di/202778.html

http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/...l/00041848.htm

OH and here's a beaute - Black death/bubonic plague:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3502361.stm

But I really like this one - Typhoid fever:

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/907107823.html

Quote:
The oral vaccine (Vivotif) contains a live but weakened strain of the Salmonella bacteria that causes typhoid fever.
Question: so does this mean that I can just eat some raw cookie dough and it would do the same trick? :LOL Sign me up!
post #45 of 60
4/5/04 at 1:01am
Quote:
Originally posted by turquoise
They may not have had a vax for the plague when it was around, but if you'd like a jab, don't ya know they have one now. :


But I really like this one - Typhoid fever:

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/907107823.html


Question: so does this mean that I can just eat some raw cookie dough and it would do the same trick? :LOL Sign me up!
It's probably why dh felt like crap after his typhoid shot : I didn't know salmonella caused it, you learn something new everyday!

Dh has had all 3 plague shots, gotta love the military.

And the raw cookie dough might work :LOL I eat it all the time and i'm typhoid free!
post #46 of 60
4/6/04 at 2:53am
Thread Starter 
I used to eat raw cookie dough, raw hamburger, etc. (For years and years, not just a time or two.)

"Had" to check for salt/spices before you prepared the meatballs, meatloaf, hamburgers, or-what-have-you. :

My kids are breastfed and OHSOHEALTHY!
post #47 of 60
4/6/04 at 3:07pm
My mom used to eat raw hamburger when she was a kid. But it was safer then, my grandma (ma's mom) used to go to the butcher everyday or at least on the day she planned to cook it and get it fresh. There was no meat plants, shipping, improper storage, antibiotics or whathave you in the meat kwim?
post #48 of 60
4/6/04 at 5:51pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Last Minute
Great Point, Tracy.

Just how many auto-immune disorders are now known?

Is it a Ko-inky-dink they came on the scene at the same time as massive vaccine campaigns?

I was interested in scarlet fever and The Plague because I was under the impression that these two never had a vaccine developed for them. Or if there ever was one, it was not used because of death, etc. resulting from them.

There might be others.
Scarlet fever is a bacterial infection caused by strep, that's why there isn't a vaccine for it. Antibiotics are usually prescribed.


-Heather
post #49 of 60
4/6/04 at 11:40pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by moondiapers
Scarlet fever is a bacterial infection caused by strep, that's why there isn't a vaccine for it. Antibiotics are usually prescribed.
Good Point, Heather.



Isn't Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) also a disease caused by a bacteria, though?

post #50 of 60
4/7/04 at 12:32pm
Yes, Hib is a bacteria, so is pertussis, diphtheria, pneumococcal disease, and tetanus.

There are vaccines that provide "immunity" from both bacterial and viral infections.

Edited to be more clear
post #51 of 60
4/8/04 at 4:09am
Quote:
Originally posted by moondiapers
Scarlet fever is a bacterial infection caused by strep, that's why there isn't a vaccine for it. Antibiotics are usually prescribed.
-Heather
There was a vaccine for scarlet fever, but it was abandonned in about 1938, because it caused so many side-effects and deaths.
post #52 of 60
4/8/04 at 4:15am
[PDF] Section I - Immunization Manual 2002
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... 2002 Page 5 7.0 HISTORY OF IMMUNIZATION DEVELOPMENT IN BC 1907 Smallpox vaccine
available 1929 Diphtheria toxoid
1931 Scarlet fever vaccine
Typhoid vaccine ...
http://www.bccdc.org/downloads/pdf/e...n_jun24-03.pdf


amazing though, that they keep really quiet about it...

Note its a CDC doco too...
post #53 of 60
4/8/04 at 6:03pm
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There were cases of paralytic polio before the DPT vaccine. FDR got polio around WWI ( I think, definately before the 1920s) and he was affected in a big way.
I heard recently on NPR that they think FDR might not have had polio at all but some other extremely rare genetic disease because something about his condition was not consistent with polio...

I just stopped by because I'm trying to decide what to do about vax's and the little one joining us in December.
post #54 of 60
4/8/04 at 6:26pm
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There was a vaccine for scarlet fever, but it was abandonned in about 1938, because it caused so many side-effects and deaths.
I also recall reading similiarly.
post #55 of 60
4/9/04 at 5:06pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by turquoise
There are vaccines for both bacterial and viral infections.
A vaccine for bacterial infection doesn't even work in theory, does it?
post #56 of 60
4/9/04 at 9:05pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Last Minute

Quote:
Originally posted by turquoise
There are vaccines for both bacterial and viral infections.
A vaccine for bacterial infection doesn't even work in theory, does it?
: NOPE! I did word that poorly, didn't I? Let me make myself clear: There are vaccines that provide "protection" from both bacterial and viral infections. :LOL DO NOT GO GET YOURSELF VACCINATED IF YOU ARE ALREADY SICK WITH A VIRAL OR BACTERIAL INFECTION

Is that what you meant? "a vaccine to cure a bacterial infection doesn't work in theory", or did you mean that vaccines to "prevent" bacterial infections don't work?
post #57 of 60
4/9/04 at 10:49pm
Thread Starter 
Um . . . I think I meant that vaccines to "prevent" bacterial infections don't work . . . and that besides that's what we have antibiotics for . . .
post #58 of 60
4/9/04 at 11:59pm
Oh! I see. Yeah, efficacy is questionable to begin with, then it seems like the standard for bacterial immunity (vax or no) is to wear of after several years if there is no casual exposure in the environment.
post #59 of 60
4/10/04 at 12:57am
Quote:
Originally posted by turquoise
Yes, Hib is a bacteria, so is pertussis, diphtheria, pneumococcal disease, and tetanus.

There are vaccines that provide "immunity" from both bacterial and viral infections.

Edited to be more clear

originally posted by Last MinuteUm . . . I think I meant that vaccines to "prevent" bacterial infections don't work . . . and that besides that's what we have antibiotics for . . .
Diptheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccines are TOXOID VACCINES designed primarily to produce antibodies to the TOXINS that the bacteria produce. So they won't prevent carriage, or even sub-clinical infection, but are supposedly designed to prevent damage from the toxins, which are the parts of the disease which cause the trouble.

The Hib vaccine was spliced onto diphtheria, and uses a pretty potent adjuvant to get around the fact that the immune system of babies would thumb its nose at a vaccine directed "directly" at the bacteria.

I don't know the basis of prevnar, but it probably has the same basis as Hib...
post #60 of 60
4/11/04 at 10:37pm
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