How do you feel about this article....

[lmbjer]

I know how I feel, I'm just wondering your opinions...

http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/aug/0...roo/?newswatch

[ssh]

The responding writer seems to know nothing about child development and does not seem to be familiar with the research on the damaging effects of stress hormones on small children. He's also just very UAV. I wondered if the guy was trying to be offensive. Maybe being offensive sells more papers or gets more readers.

The comments were more useful.

[Marsupialmom]

I don't like the guy's tone, I have read some other of his stuff, but at the same time I have to agree with one thing he said --- why are you taking a 2 year old out to eat that likes to throw things. Throwing things is worse than screaming or fitting because he could hurt someone else.

Yes, your child needs to learn to eat and be in public but that should happen after you eliminate throwing which is a danger to all.

[junipermuse]

Well I had to stop reading when the author said that she didn't think toddlers belonged in any restaurant short of fastfood chains. I don't care what she said after that because she's not someone from whom I'd wish to receive advice.

[MusicianDad]

My first though, I'd hate to be the responders kid. Seriously. 30 minute time out for thinking about throwing something? Talk about over kill.

[canadianhippie]

this is a family psychologist?

[Belia]

What the WHAT?

I'm on the fence about timeouts, but even I have never heard of anyone advocating the use of timeouts in that manner. 15-30 minutes for a 1-2 year old?

That poor child would be so confused- left alone for that long with a parent offering zero feedback.

[odenata]

Google the author, John Rosemond. He's certainly not anyone I would take advice from. You can look at his own site on "traditional parenting," or scan the wiki page, which has this quote:

Rosemond is known for his traditional, Bible-based parenting philosophy and approach. That, in combination with his outspoken political conservatism, has earned him a number of critics, especially within the mental health professions. Rosemond, a psychologist, generally begins his presentations by telling his audiences that "psychology is a secular religion that one believes in by faith" and that psychology has done more harm than good to the American family.

ETA: He's also pro-spanking.

[midnightwriter]

I don't even understand why this article is here for discussion. I know many are pro-time outs here (though as many are not), but time out for 30 min is not even a debatable issue. It is simply developmentally inappropriate. And toddlers shouldn't be in restaurants that aren't fast food? Please!

What we are doing here is driving traffic to a writer whose opinions are simply moronic.

[lmbjer]

My apologies midnightwriter.

I suppose I just felt the need to have other people nearly fall over with me. I don't believe that I went so far as to consider bumping up the readership numbers for the man.

[MusicianDad]

On the other hand, it also bumps up awareness.

The little blurb that odenata posted right there gives at least one thing you can say when someone says "well I was reading this guy Rosemont and he said..."

[Hoopin' Mama]

Anyone who says a toddler should only be at fast food restaurants can bite me.

Also, I think some people like to take advice from people who offer it an abusive manner. Look at the popularity of Dr. Laura. According to her, I'm a slut because I met my husband in a bar

[coffeegirl]

Well, I'm in the minority but I kind of agreed with his advice.

Consistency....common sense. I liked it.

[ErinYay]

Ug @

Rosemond is known for his traditional, Bible-based parenting philosophy and approach.

Know who else has a Bible-based parenting philosophy, or, at least book? Good ole Dr. Sears, that's who.

OP, I see this yahoo as being a member of the seemingly ever-growing legion of kid-haters. You know the type, they insist up and down that it's bad parenting they hate, not kids, then roll their eyes the instant they see someone under the age of 25. It's oddly popular to hate kids right now.

[rightkindofme]

Anyone who will scorn psychology as faith based religion but who uses the Bible as a source is... well... not someone I'm going to agree with. (I readily admit that a lot of stuff in psychology is not well researched or backed up with decent evidence.)

Yeah, 30 minutes for a two year old? *I* don't remember what I did 30 minutes later.

And my two year old goes out to restaurants constantly. If you interact with your children you go a long way towards eliminating this problem. I'm just not interested in 'children should be seen and not heard'.

[coffeegirl]

Originally Posted by rightkindofme

I'm just not interested in 'children should be seen and not heard'.

I'm not either, but I do think that expecting to not have things thrown at you at restaurants is a reasonable expectation, don't you?

[rightkindofme]

Originally Posted by coffeegirl

I'm not either, but I do think that expecting to not have things thrown at you at restaurants is a reasonable expectation, don't you?

When my daughter was in a 'throwing' phase we ensured that there was nothing in reach to throw. It's not rocket science.

[Marsupialmom]

Originally Posted by coffeegirl

Well, I'm in the minority but I kind of agreed with his advice.

Consistency....common sense. I liked it.

John Rosemond has some good advice consistency and in this case, why go out with a child that you know is going through a phase? One thing GP promotes is setting kids up for success. If you know your 2 year old is going throw something wouldn't it be best to wait or find another solution before going to a restaurant.

The down side of John Rosemond, he is harsh and often cannot find more than one solution -- the solutions are often to the extreme.

[friskykitty]

I have to agree with midnight on it's not even relevant to GD when he says put the child in timeout for 30 minutes. What a dorkface this guy is. I don't use timeout with my 2.5 year old. But the rule of thumb is one minute per year of age. I am a public school teacher and that is the advice that we have been given by the experts.

[choli]

Originally Posted by Marsupialmom

I don't like the guy's tone, I have read some other of his stuff, but at the same time I have to agree with one thing he said --- why are you taking a 2 year old out to eat that likes to throw things. Throwing things is worse than screaming or fitting because he could hurt someone else.

Yes, your child needs to learn to eat and be in public but that should happen after you eliminate throwing which is a danger to all.

Yep. When mine were at that stage, we stopped eating out. I can't understand why people would put themselves, their kids, the waitstaff and the rest of the diners through that sort of cr@p. They will grow out of it, then we can all dine out in peace again.