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post #1 of 15
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...them possibly having a developmental disorder.

I was just wondering if this is just what we parents do--worry--if it is normal and maybe even common.

And, that maybe I don't need to worry about all my worrying about my 25-month-old.
  • DD will sometimes repeat back question we ask her.
    example:

    DH: What do you want to do after we take a bath?
    DD: What do you want to do after we take a bath?
    DH: I am asking you?
    DD: I am asking you?
    DH: DD!?
    DD: <snaps out of it> Oh, umm, I want to play toys with daddy!

  • She rarely justs answers a yes/no question with yes or no. She repeats back the whole thing either affirmatively or negatively. We are always just like, "Yes or no will do!" (We don't yell at her. We just constantly are looking at eachother like, "why does she do that?")
  • When DD gets upset on the playground/public, she will just lie on the ground. She is not having a tantrum. She just shuts down. This happened more when she was younger usually when someone would nudge her a little rough. It is very odd. She does not do this at home. To me, it seems to be a social anxiety thing. I dunno...
  • She is a very picky eater. She eats like a bird. She has trouble eating meat and other things. She chews it and then spits it out.


So those are my things that cause me worry. I am worried about aspergers. Echolalia, lying down on the floor, texture issues are all very spectrumy. But, I would never schedule an appointment with her doctor because I feel like he will just laugh everything off.

DD speaks so well. She talks like a four-year-old. She has these quirks but then she is constantly talking like a normal child. She uses correct pronouns 100% of the time. She uses adverbs, tenses, conjunctions, etc. I am not exagerating when I say she talks like a 4-year-old.

She is completely and 100% potty trained. I don't put her on the potty or remind her. She stays dry at night.

She is imaginative, affectionate, bright...She is great, but I still worry about these quirks.

I would love to hear your kids' little things that might keep you up late at night. It might make me feel better.

-worry wart
post #2 of 15
Yes!!!

We have a somewhat different situation as DS suffered vax injury at 7 months and developed classic autistic-like behaviors. We see a DAN! doctor for his care, and we've had excellent recovery with biomedical interventions and from intervening so early. Anyways, DS definitely still displays signs of developmental issues, and he particularly regresses when he's sick or ingested accidentally a prohibited food.

Knowing what we know and being around him 24/7, I'm also hyper-aware of his behaviors. My DS is also quite advanced with both his receptive and expressive language, which can make some behaviors even more confusing, much like your DD I suppose.

So, needless to say, you're certainly not the only parent to wonder about their DC.
post #3 of 15
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Thanks odinsmommy. Sounds like you are very much on top of your son's situation. He's a lucky guy.

I also wanted to add that my sister worries about her 18 month old having ADD, and I have a hard time taking it seriously. She is so young. I think it is normal for toddlers to not have a great attention span. But, my sister still worries. She also worries about her being violent. She has violent tantrums and hits caretakers when she doesn't get her way.
post #4 of 15
She kind of sounds like my 18mo DS in some ways. I worry about him too but not for those reasons, his general temperment (along with the texture issues) are what concern me most.

As far as the echoing, we started saying "yes or no" after every question -- "Do you want to take a bath, yes or no?" and he picked it up within a day or two and now answers everything with a yes or a no (though still gets a little confused sometimesor repeats a bit)...

From my (admittedly limited) experience, none of those things alone sound abnormal really... I think most kids echo at some point and many have texture issues or are picky eaters. The laying on the ground is a little more extreme but my DS often just sits and watches rather than playing. Have you asked her why she lays down? Maybe it's something like she just loves to feel the cool floor on her back, or maybe there are too many people, or maybe she likes seeing people's feet... you never know...

I wonder too if because she talks like a 4-year-old, you could be subconciously comparing her to other 4yo's rather than 2yo's... I would suggest posting in the Gifted forum for more insight...

Also I would say if you are worried, DO schedule an appointment. The doctor is certainly not going to laugh at you!! You could also email/call the doc and just explain what's going on & ask if she should be seen. I've done this when DS has minor ailments & I just mentally need the confirmation from the doc that he'll be fine and I don't need to have him examined.
post #5 of 15
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She kind of sounds like my 18mo DS in some ways. I worry about him too but not for those reasons, his general temperment (along with the texture issues) are what concern me most.
Thank you for that. Again, it is nice to know there are other out there.

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As far as the echoing, we started saying "yes or no" after every question -- "Do you want to take a bath, yes or no?" and he picked it up within a day or two and now answers everything with a yes or a no (though still gets a little confused sometimesor repeats a bit)... .
I should say we get our fair share of "Noooo!"s around here. The "yes"es are the ones that are really quite rare. This is what is really common:

DH: Do you want to stop by toy store to look at babies after I take you the potty?
DD: I do want to stop by the toy store to look at babies after you take me to the potty!

(Obviously, we are just looking for an enthusiastic "yes!" in these situations, but we end up waiting for her to get it all out.)

So, you see, I do feel like I am nitpicking. But it is so odd, right?

I will try your idea, though. That might just work.

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From my (admittedly limited) experience, none of those things alone sound abnormal really... I think most kids echo at some point and many have texture issues or are picky eaters. The laying on the ground is a little more extreme but my DS often just sits and watches rather than playing. Have you asked her why she lays down? Maybe it's something like she just loves to feel the cool floor on her back, or maybe there are too many people, or maybe she likes seeing people's feet... you never know....
That is so my DD, too. And, no I have never asked her. I will next time. I will say that it seems to be in response to some sort of frustration or anxiety. She has also done it once when a goup of young Japanese tourists practically mobbed her at the museum. (They thought she was so cute. ) She lies on her back and does not respond. It was a lot worse a couple months ago. Now I have seen her just sit and play with the ceder chips instead of lying down. Honestly, it is something only a mother would notice as odd in their child.

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I wonder too if because she talks like a 4-year-old, you could be subconciously comparing her to other 4yo's rather than 2yo's... I would suggest posting in the Gifted forum for more insight....
I have not thought of that. I have noticed that the majority of the time she just repeats back a question verbatim back to us, the question is usually pretty advanced for a 2YO to begin with. I think half of it is she is just not paying attention, or she just doesn't want to answer. She gets spacy, and you can see when she snaps out of it and answers the question.

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Also I would say if you are worried, DO schedule an appointment. The doctor is certainly not going to laugh at you!! You could also email/call the doc and just explain what's going on & ask if she should be seen. I've done this when DS has minor ailments & I just mentally need the confirmation from the doc that he'll be fine and I don't need to have him examined.
That's a good idea. An email would be quick and easy.

In the end, it does not really matter. She is who she is. Whether the doc says it is normal or not normal, she is still going to have these quirks, and I am probably still going to worry.

Thanks for your thoughful response.
post #6 of 15
Yep, I agree. It doesn't hurt to ask. We're constantly asking our doctor a ton of developmental questions, she never complains! We can't help it, DH and I are both scientists and are just really curious.

Anyways, what you described doesn't sound that strange to me. I wonder if the repeating question thing is just a way for her to practice grammar and ensure that she says it properly?

The lying down thing. I haven't seen that... DD never stops but it could be something she's doing when she gets overwhelmed. I think a lot of toddlers find coping mechanism because there is so much going on in the world that is new that it has to be pretty overwhelming (exciting too but also overwhelming!).


As for our developmental concerns. Yep, we have some.. DD does hand flapping and walks on her toys. She seems sensitive to certain textures and is very picky when it comes to clothes/food. She spits out a lot of food and also is very prone to throwing up if she gets freaked out. We're planning on talking to our ped next month at our next well-baby visit to get her opinion on it. Then again, there's a lot of family history of problems so we've also tried to keep a close watch.
post #7 of 15
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Anyways, what you described doesn't sound that strange to me. I wonder if the repeating question thing is just a way for her to practice grammar and ensure that she says it properly?
Perhaps it is. She is such a parrot. Very aural, unlike me. (also very talkative, unlike me.)

(Of course, now she is answering with 'yes'es)

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The lying down thing. I haven't seen that... DD never stops but it could be something she's doing when she gets overwhelmed. I think a lot of toddlers find coping mechanism because there is so much going on in the world that is new that it has to be pretty overwhelming (exciting too but also overwhelming!).
Overwhelmed. That is a good way to describe it.

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As for our developmental concerns. Yep, we have some.. DD does hand flapping and walks on her toys. She seems sensitive to certain textures and is very picky when it comes to clothes/food. She spits out a lot of food and also is very prone to throwing up if she gets freaked out. We're planning on talking to our ped next month at our next well-baby visit to get her opinion on it. Then again, there's a lot of family history of problems so we've also tried to keep a close watch.
DD chews on chicken breast till she pulverizes it then spits it out. She is also very picky and very stubbern. We went about 6 months where she only ate the orange vitamins. I don't know why.

Hand flapping. DD does not hand flap as a stim per se. But, when she gets upset she will jump up and stomp and flap her little hands a bit. (her lying/sitting down episodes are always preceded by this ) We are not concerned about that at all.

As for walking on toys, hmm I never heard about that one. FWIW DD liked to step on her books for a while.
post #8 of 15
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DH: Do you want to stop by toy store to look at babies after I take you the potty?
DD: I do want to stop by the toy store to look at babies after you take me to the potty!

(Obviously, we are just looking for an enthusiastic "yes!" in these situations, but we end up waiting for her to get it all out.)

So, you see, I do feel like I am nitpicking. But it is so odd, right?
Did you by any chance model grammar for her? It really sounds like she's just trying to practice pronouns etc. -- maybe even she is just proud of herself that she figured out how to answer in a way that's grammatically correct, so she wants to keep doing it & 'perfecting' it.

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Now I have seen her just sit and play with the ceder chips instead of lying down. Honestly, it is something only a mother would notice as odd in their child.
THAT'S WHAT MY DS DOES!! I have never seen other kids at the park who spent more time playing with the wood chips than the playground equipment or the other kids, I'm glad my DS isn't the only one!!

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I have not thought of that. I have noticed that the majority of the time she just repeats back a question verbatim back to us, the question is usually pretty advanced for a 2YO to begin with. I think half of it is she is just not paying attention, or she just doesn't want to answer. She gets spacy, and you can see when she snaps out of it and answers the question.
Spacy? Or is she really absorbed in something? The distinction is important IMO -- to me 'spacy' = lost in thought/head in the clouds & 'absorbed' = paying exclusive attention to one thing. Not sure if it's of any clinical importance but might be good to distinguish if you discuss it with the doc. I'm positive 'absorbed' is normal & I'm sure 'spacy' is common but I haven't seen much of it with my DS or others.

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In the end, it does not really matter. She is who she is. Whether the doc says it is normal or not normal, she is still going to have these quirks, and I am probably still going to worry.
Yes, but if she has some kind of developmental or psychological issue, you can find ways to support her & make life easier for her. I guess if she's generally happy & generally on-track/advanced then it's less of a concern than if she really seems distraught.

Oh and physmom, my DS walks on his toys too!
post #9 of 15
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Did you by any chance model grammar for her? It really sounds like she's just trying to practice pronouns etc. -- maybe even she is just proud of herself that she figured out how to answer in a way that's grammatically correct, so she wants to keep doing it & 'perfecting' it.
Yes, we did model for her. It has been almost 6 months since we have had to do that. She got pronouns very quick. She got language very quick and very very much gestalt.

Maybe she just likes to hear her own voice.

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THAT'S WHAT MY DS DOES!! I have never seen other kids at the park who spent more time playing with the wood chips than the playground equipment or the other kids, I'm glad my DS isn't the only one!!
Does your DS constantly pick things up off the ground? DD is obsessed with little things she can find outside, especially rocks. She likes to find the odd things sandwiched in a sidewalk crack or pick the gum off of the pavement or see if she can pry a rock off some aggregate. She is fascinated with tar spots on the road and cobblestone. I am sure this is normal. DD is just super compulsive about it to the point that she gets this fire in her eyes when she sees something.

So, I would not be so concerned about the wood chips except... in DD's case, well, I am worried that it is this coping mechanism for her, like she gets overwhelmed (which would be the true problem I would want to address) and she gets relief from either just lying on the ground motionless, or by sitting and fiddling with the woodchips.

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Spacy? Or is she really absorbed in something? The distinction is important IMO -- to me 'spacy' = lost in thought/head in the clouds & 'absorbed' = paying exclusive attention to one thing. Not sure if it's of any clinical importance but might be good to distinguish if you discuss it with the doc. I'm positive 'absorbed' is normal & I'm sure 'spacy' is common but I haven't seen much of it with my DS or others.
I am gonna have to go with spacy, lost in her head, thoughts. It is like she is lost in her thoughts but is trying to pretend to still be with us by repeating back our questions when we ask her something. I honestly feel like she thinks she is getting away with this. I should also say she is not making eye contact with us when she does this. (ooo, that's prob important. Thanks for helping me flesh this out.)

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Yes, but if she has some kind of developmental or psychological issue, you can find ways to support her & make life easier for her. I guess if she's generally happy & generally on-track/advanced then it's less of a concern than if she really seems distraught.
yeah, you're right. You see how I go back and fourth? This thread is really helping me put together an e-mail to the ped.
post #10 of 15
Good I'm glad it's helping! Just keep following your instincts & trying to flesh this all out I do think the spaciness is something I'd mention as well as the coping mechanisms (laying on the ground, woodchips) -- does she seem anxious in general, or only in social situations? Does she seem anxious before she 'spaces out'? (I have an anxiety disorder myself & some of those things sound familiar to me, although obviously I don't lay on the ground or anything).

My DS does pick up sooo many things off the ground. Today he found a crescent-shaped rock ("moon") and carried it around & I wouldn't let him have it in the car (was afraid he'd put in his mouth & choke) and he cried half the way home & then we pull into the driveway & the first thing he does is put out his hand and ask for his 'moon'... Anyway -- yeah he's always picking up rocks & sticks & grass & flowers (I enourage this) but also trash, bottlecaps, etc. (I DON'T encourage that, can't stand it actually!) He doesn't like gum though, he started screaming when he accidentally touched some once & it was still gummy. And if there's a tar mark on something he gets pretty upset & will just stand and stare at it for 15 minutes straight.
post #11 of 15
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Good I'm glad it's helping! Just keep following your instincts & trying to flesh this all out I do think the spaciness is something I'd mention as well as the coping mechanisms (laying on the ground, woodchips) -- does she seem anxious in general, or only in social situations? Does she seem anxious before she 'spaces out'? (I have an anxiety disorder myself & some of those things sound familiar to me, although obviously I don't lay on the ground or anything).
That made me laugh out loud! I would hope not.

She is shy. She has always had strong stranger anxiety from birth. It has only gotten a bit better the last 6 months.

She seems to not have the carefree spirit I see other kids have at the playground or the carefree spirit she has at home. She seems preoccupied. Always watching the other kids, and not doing anything. She will start to head for the ladder, and a kid will run by her, and her attention is turned to him. It is like she can't concentrate at the playground!

She will actually go up to a kid and try to interact. They almost always ignore her because they are either too old or not very verbal yet. They will run from her. She might follow and keep trying. Usually, I will then see her get upset. She kind of stamps her feet, and sits on the ground.

When another child hits her or she is pushed off the slide, that is when she ends up catatonic on the ground. It is like she is playing dead!

The spacing out, as far as I see, has nothing to do with anxiety. None that I can detect anyway. But, I don't know.

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My DS does pick up sooo many things off the ground. Today he found a crescent-shaped rock ("moon") and carried it around & I wouldn't let him have it in the car (was afraid he'd put in his mouth & choke) and he cried half the way home & then we pull into the driveway & the first thing he does is put out his hand and ask for his 'moon'... Anyway -- yeah he's always picking up rocks & sticks & grass & flowers (I enourage this) but also trash, bottlecaps, etc. (I DON'T encourage that, can't stand it actually!) He doesn't like gum though, he started screaming when he accidentally touched some once & it was still gummy. And if there's a tar mark on something he gets pretty upset & will just stand and stare at it for 15 minutes straight.
Hah ha, The floor of our car is littered with rocks and things. She has to have a handful by the time we get to the car. She is serious about this. We also have a joke about her always having rocks in her pockets. Literally.

DD is sick, so that has given me a lot of free time on the computer. That sounds counter-intuitive, but it is true. I feel like I really am getting to the point here now.

And, again, I want to emphasize that she is wonderful. She is wicked smart and funny. She only repeats questions a small fraction of the time. (It is just to odd when she does do it.) And, the desire to answer in long drawn out sentences could just be her personality. She talks up a storm. Her language is very organic and not robotic at all. I should say she has the language skills of a much older child, but she still talks like a 2 year old. And, I get that that probably throws us off a lot.

Anxiety does seem like it very well could be the issue here, and this is quite familiar to me. I was a very shy child which stemmed from undiagnosed social anxiety. I desperatly do not want to see her go through that. So, it looks like the next time we are at the book store (DD's fave place) I will be seeking out some books on the subject.
post #12 of 15
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I just thought of another odd thing DD does.

Since she could say this (so about 18 months old,) whenever we are putting on her shirt and her arms have not come out the sleeves she says, "where did my arms go?" Then when they come out, she will say, "Oh, there they are."

We used to think it was a joke, but I mean it is getting really old and I am starting to wonder.

She also asks where my feet are if my jammy pants are covering them. And, she always asks where she has gone if her shirt is stuck over her eyes.

See? This is so minor, and I feel like 9 out of 10 moms would not even think twice about these things. But, of course the 'scientist' in me knows that problems with body awareness called proprioception dysfunction is another sign of Autism. But, when I read about that it talks about running into walls and being clumbsy which DD is not at all.
post #13 of 15
To me that sounds like she's just really picked up the little things adults in her life have said. We are always teasing DS, "Where did your arms go?" when we're helping him dress. Did you say things like that to her when she was younger? That & rephrasing questions ("I do want to go to the mall...") sound like they'd go hand in hand. You said her language is really advanced -- but she's still only 2 -- so I would venture to guess that even though she has a huge vocabulary, she may not always be sure how to use her words (so she is remembering how YOU use them & replicating that). I guess I wouldn't be too worried about those little language quirks. I'd be more worried about the anxiety & shutting down etc.

And I don't know her obviously but from what you've described my mind does NOT jump to 'autism' (I've read sooo much about autism too so I'm always zeroing in on 'the signs' but sometimes you have to step back & look at the whole picture).
post #14 of 15
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Update:

A few weeks have gone by now. DD rarely spaces out anymore or rattles back long responses in the affirmative or negative to answer questions. She is back to just saying 'yes' or 'no' now. That feels like a distant memory now. just a cute thing she used to do.

So, that was just a phase.

We have also had less episodes of her 'shutting down' at the playground, (although we have been going less and less because she still is more consumed with rocks and wood chips than equipment.)

She still spits out a ton of food. The pediatrician still gives me the same old response: "as long as she is gaining and able to swallow some things..." I am a bit frustrated with that. He said that she can swallow and talk clearly so there no issue.

Something that has really allayed some of my fears has been her recent developmental leap in social grace and manners. She no longer whines my name when she wants something, but rather calmly interrupts me with an "excuse me, mommy." She also now understands and uses 'please' and 'thank you', as well as 'sorry' now. (she seemed to be more than ready for this months and months ago, but we never pressed it.) She seems so much in tune with us.

Anxiety is still on our radar. I have yet to find a decent book which addresses how to raise such a sensitive child. But, other than the playground, we do not have any issues.

I really feel much better about all of this. Thanks for the help. I felt so much better after writing it all down and bouncing it off you guys. I totally recommend it. MDC
post #15 of 15
I'm glad to hear you're less concerned now!! It's funny, they go through these little stages that freak us out & then when they get through them we wonder what we were so worried about, right? I know a lot of the things that concerned me with my DS aren't even issues anymore. And others I've started to accept as his cute little quirks. I still think he may have auditory processing issues (I suspect I have them too!) but beyond that I feel like he's pretty 'normal' though intense... whereas just a couple months ago I was really questioning whether something was wrong with him.

OH we're still dealing with chewing food up & spitting it out too, though I notice he has been swallowing a lot more in the last month or two. I also notice when he's not as hungry (i.e. toward the end of a meal) he starts spitting out a lot more.
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