I'm afraid this is going to be quite long & take me awhile since there's so much to reply to.
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Originally Posted by RiverSky
Are you staying that your 8 and 5 year olds spend almost all of their time at home with you? (minus the two months your DH was in the hospital and the time they were in a day camp near your mom's?)
Do they have any friends?
Do you not take them to the library?
Do you read to them every day?
What does your week really look like?
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Yes, they have several friends who live in our neighbourhood. They didn't have any until we moved here last year, though. They hated going to the library where we used to live, except to play with the wooden blocks they had there. The library near us now doesn't even have blocks going for it to get them interested. And I have a hard time mentally going out of the house, so I'm not going to get myself psyched up to go somewhere they have no interest in. We have lots of books here.
I try to read to my oldest, but my middle has always been troublesome when I'm reading and I got tired of hurting my throat trying to drown him out or get the two of them to stop playing & pay attention. I refuse to read the same thing 3 or 4 times because they're playing and completely ignoring me, since they'd obviously rather play than listen.
Our weeks right now depend entirely on what new treatment/appointments dh needs. It's still summer holidays, technically, anyway. I have no idea what it will look like once we start. I was thinking of making some mandatory times to practice math, reading & writing, but that wouldn't be unschooling & is one of the reasons for the thread.
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What are your sons like? Have you tried Leap Frog videos (which you can often get from the library) for your 5 year old to give him an easy basis for reading?
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Active. Energetic. The only time they sit still/be quiet is if they're watching or playing something they're intersted in. Or they're nearly asleep. And neither of them really seem to have anything that could be pinned down as an interest that isn't game or tv/movie related. My oldest is a perfectionist & either refuses to try things or gives up the on his first try because it wasn't perfect.
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Originally Posted by RiverSky
BTW, it's been a while since I've bussed anywhere, but when I lived in a city of 1,000,000 people growing up, taking a bus/train/bus to go anywhere never took more than say, 45 minutes or an hour, and I live way on the outskirts of the city. Are you sure there aren't activities that your children could participate in that are much, much closer in such a very large metropolitan area such as yours, that has buses that travel so far?
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Not really. Most of the activities are at the school we're registered with or provided by them and even though when they ask for suggestions for locations, I always suggest places nearer to us, it never happens. We don't have a lot of money to do things that aren't offered by the school board since everything is so expensive. I wanted to get ds1 into the tae kwon do class at the mall nearby, but it's $100/month.
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Originally Posted by Piglet68
I'm getting a bit confused reading your two posts. The first one sounds like it's your kids who you feel you are "failing" by homeschooling because they have no interests and can't write, etc. Then the second post sounds like they would be gung ho to do all sorts of fun, cool things but you can't get them there. My reply would depend on what the real issues are, but I'm feeling like maybe you don't know what it is: you're just not feeling good about your unschooling life right now?
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That's pretty much it. Honestly, I don't know if they'd even be interested in anything if I could get them there, unless it involved running around. Maybe the skating or swimming or gym day our unschool facilitator arranges.
My kids couldn't care less about whether they can read or write. My 9 year old can read. Not great, but he can. And he's starting to be curious about how things are spelled. My 5 year old is starting to have some interest in reading and dh has said he might work with him on it since he's laid up still. At any rate, the kids are perfectly happy with the way things are. I'm the one who feels like I'm failing. At everything, but education is a big part of it. It doesn't help that my mom was just here harassing me to put ds2 in kindergarten because I clearly can't handle homeschooling (because ds1 doesn't read/do math/write as well as his schooled cousins) & ds2 is already "behind" but it won't be so bad if I just get him in school now instead of waiting until grade 1.
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All I can say to that it's that it's normal to have moments of doubt. OTOH, if this is something that has been going on for a while than perhaps it's not just a case of the jitters. You've been given some good advice here, all I can say is that you are the best judge of how school would affect your children. The reason I don't send my kids to school is not just because I think I can do a "better" job at home: it's also because I believe that MY children would suffer in school and that the negative, lifelong consequences of putting them in that environment would far outweigh the benefit of free transportation and more out-of-home activities.
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I don't think ds1 could handle school yet. He's getting better with his anxiety disorder, in some ways, but I think school at this point would cause some major problems for him. I think ds2 would benefit from school in some ways, but I'm not sure those outweigh the issues dh & I have with schools.
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Originally Posted by rockportmama
Sounds like you're having a rough time. 
What can you do to nurture yourself? What could your mom do to help? What might your kids be willing to help with around the house? Sounds like you're really just worn out. Being a caretaker can be really hard. The constant worry and stress of Dr's apts can be very wearing. Do what you need to do to find balance for your family. 
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My mom has helped as much as she can. Too much, really, she's very negative & a bit toxic to be around for long periods & we've seen way too much of her lately. The kids often help when asked, but they just don't seem to see mess unless it's pointed out.
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Originally Posted by DragonflyBlue
Hey there sweetie.  It sounds like things have been really rough for your family again. I'm sorry. 
It sounds like unschooling isn't working for you and the boys. Not because you are a failure, but because of all the other issues going on in life. That doesn't make you a bad mom. It makes you an overwhelmed mom with too many things on her plate.
Much love to you and the family!
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Thanks so much for the reply! I miss chatting with you.
You're right about me being overwhelmed & depressed. I really am thinking of at least trying school for C in September. There's a school across the street I could go check out tomorrow. Hopefully the teachers are back now & I could meet the kindergarten teacher. At least I know I could take him out if it isn't working for him. And he doesn't have to be in school until he's 6, it would just be easier for him if he goes earlier.
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Originally Posted by umami_mommy
we are unschoolers, but DS is a right-brained learner who HATES anything having to do with book work, the written page, etc. he lives for TV, wii, computer games, legos and bionicles and playing with his friends.
right brain kids are SO different than what the mainstream thinks kids *should* be doing with their time. they learn and retain information so differently. they are drawn to very different things in their creative/intellectual process.
i recommend the "homeschooling creatively" group on yahoo.
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Thank you for this! Is there anyway to find out for sure what kind of learner ds1 is? I've never heard of this distinction before.
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Originally Posted by greenmagick
I may be missing this...but how long has this been going on? Do you not think it is correlated to your DH being in the hospital and stress?
I dont know...I understand not everything works the same for different families, but I dont see how school would change things in this situation?
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I wasn't really thinking of school so much (except maybe as an experiment for ds2) but more structure. Somewhere between unschooling & school at home, maybe.
I've been feeling like I'm...doing it wrong?...I guess since our first facilitator meeting in grade one. She was an ex-teacher with no understanding of unschooling & made me feel like I was a complete failure. Our facilitators since then have been unschoolers & much better, but I've never completely gotten over that first one.
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Originally Posted by scoobymummy
Our daily list might look like this: chores, half hour of exercise, walk the dog, play with the dog, 10 minutes of math or writing practice, learning activity. To me, this is still unschooling, because I stay tuned into what my kids need, enjoy and are intersted in. The math they enjoy. The writing not so much, but it's quick and painless (my ds is right brained and not able to write yet, so it makes me feel better to know that he's keeping his hand in printing until he's ready to write independently). The learning activity might be a science experiment or a research project based on an interest of their's, maybe a craft or baking - this one is more for me, so that I've planned something that we can do where they'll have my undivided attention.
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Thanks for this. That gives me some ideas.
[/quote]On a personal note, make sure that you are healthy. I went for almost two years in a state of horrible exhaustion and wasn't really aware of how bad I felt - it crept up on me. Suddenly I realized that I couldn't get through the day without a two hour nap and was in bed by nine. Finally figured out that I was anemic as well as having a mono relapse. My brain was so foggy that I didn't realize how bad things were. I had just come out of a really stressful couple of years leading up to this. Sounds like you've come out of a stressful period, so could be your body is responding and it's making it difficult to cope. Take care if yourself[/QUOTE]
I've been having issues with exhaustion for years. I don't know if it's because of not sleeping properly (dh tells me I snore & have really weird breathing noises) or depression or something else. I've had my iron & thryoid checked. Not sure what else it could be. I'm not really foggy just...if I don't have to move or do anything, I won't. And if I go out for any length of time, I feel like I need a few days to recover.
Thank you for the hugs & ideas everyone. It's really helping me work through this and figure out what I want/need to do. I think more work on basics with ds1 so that if he decides he wants to go to school in a few years like he's started mentioning, he won't be behind. And checking out the school across the street and at least trying ds2 in school. It's easier to pull him out if he doesn't like it than try to put him in if he decided in the middle of the year that he wants to go. And, to be honest, I could use a break from him. And I think it would do him good to have a break from me. He seems to do much better with my mom & might have the same benefit with a good teacher.