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heh heh.

so tzippy is 5 1/2 months old, and things are craaaazy around here. every day is a totally new schedule, and a totally new skill. she sleeps great, she sleeps terribly, she eats great, she won't eat... she smiles, she cries, she whines and babbles. i can't keep up!!

the best thing that's happened recently is i made some other mama friends with babies all in this age range. it is seriously a life-saver. just one afternoon hanging out with some other adults, watching our babies take their first steps towards playing with each other is enough to get me through the rest of the week with a bit of a bounce in my step.

how are all you guys doing? any fun developments?
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Yes, finding other mamas with babies was critical for me when I just had one and was starting as an at-home mom!

Avery's discovered something new... TOES! haha he's constantly grabbing his toes now... it's so darn cute. He hasn't figured out that they may fit in his mouth, yet, though. He'll also sit for a bit without help, but eventually flails and falls over.

aaaaaaand...My computer's finally fixed so I can be a bit more active. WOOT!
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Hi there! Nora is so sweet. Her sleep is ok. It was great now she is waking and staying awake at night to party with me. We are going to try a crib. Who knows if it will help but I'm not as opposed to the idea as I was with my other 2.

Mama kk- I saw your other post about CIO and while i am not an advocate- I understand totally about feeling like the anger and exhaustion is no better than some crying. It is so hard!!!

Still muddling through this elimination diet. Ugh. We are going to a new ped on Monday and I hoping she has SOMETHING to say about the allergy reaction issue. My other doc was like, "She just has a sensitive stomach"

We are struggling so much with my middle guy- oh he is the encyclopedia entry for "middle child"

But he is so cute with the baby- today Nora received a gift of Robeez in the mail and frankie said, "Can I hold her with those on?" It was just too cute for him to handle! LOL
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Oh- and yes- finding some moms to talk to to is so important!!! Jenna- Nora loves her toes too. She talks to them all the time!
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We are doing pretty well. Samuel is a lot of fun...except for the squawking. It drives me crazy. He's still cute though. He's rolling over from belly to back all the time and close the other way. He can sit tripod style for awhile and is getting better at recovering from flails...but really he'd rather be on his tummy trying to crawl. He nurses well most of the time, but will only nurse well if there's nothing else going on. It's sad that I have to leave the room to nurse him...I miss being able to hang out with my husband or whatever. But he's a lot faster than he used to be, and I don't blame Samuel...life is just too interesting to take a break to eat.

His sleep is consistently inconsistent. It has been for about a month. I think his bottom two teeth are about to pop through, which doesn't help anything. He's decided the swaddle is not for him - he sleeps on his tummy at night now (he has for naps for awhile). Lately I've been getting 4 hour stretches from him (getting up 2x a night), which I can handle. There have been up every 2 hour nights in the past...not fun. My body would appreciate consistency...my poor boobs just don't know how much milk to make at night and are so confused.

We have some friends who had a son 2 days after Samuel...it's fun to watch them together. They look at each other and smile sometimes. I agree...mama friends are so important.

Glad to connect with other March mamas!
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Hey Mamas! I've missed you all. It's so great to hear about all your happy and (mostly) heathy babies!

I am fairly deep in a PPD rut, which I anticipated, but had no idea how it would change my abilities to mother. I have been so worried about Evelyn's development, but our pediatrician tells me that she's just fine a million times. I know it's not good to compare babies or anything, but I'm hearing about everyone's little ones laughing, sitting up, rolling over, etc. I'm worried that I've been so depressed that I'm not encouraging Evelyn to reach these milestones. She has super good head control, but I don't think I've heard her actually laugh. She can sit up now in her Bumbo seat, but cries sometimes when she gets tired of holding herself up. She sort of rolls from back to side, but can't roll from front to side/back. Tummy time is a no-go because she cries almost instantly, and I just can't leave her there to cry... Not sure what to do about that one, especially.

So she's almost 5 months and weighs 14lbs 3oz, and she's 25 in long. Apparently she's in the 55th % for weight, but so many of you have HUGE babies! Evelyn still doesn't fit into some of her 3-6 month stuff! My sister and I were 7.5 lb babies, and so was DH. We are exclusively BF and Evie is apparently allergic to dairy and soy (I have been having huge troubles finding foods to eat that I actually like). Our Ped says Evie is breastfeeding like a champ and everything is super great. I'm just not feeling it..

So what do you guys think about her semi-slow development? I feel so guilty because I have little to no energy lately and I think because I'm not as animated and active with Evelyn, it's impacting her negatively. I'm realistically not too worried, but I get worried as soon as I hear other mamas babies who are younger than Evie doing so many things already. I swore I would not be one of those mothers who was constantly comparing her baby to others, but I can't help it! Agh! I really am excited for all you mamas whose babies are doing so well and getting so chubby
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Hey Mamas! I've missed you all. It's so great to hear about all your happy and (mostly) heathy babies!

I am fairly deep in a PPD rut, which I anticipated, but had no idea how it would change my abilities to mother. I have been so worried about Evelyn's development, but our pediatrician tells me that she's just fine a million times. I know it's not good to compare babies or anything, but I'm hearing about everyone's little ones laughing, sitting up, rolling over, etc. I'm worried that I've been so depressed that I'm not encouraging Evelyn to reach these milestones. She has super good head control, but I don't think I've heard her actually laugh. She can sit up now in her Bumbo seat, but cries sometimes when she gets tired of holding herself up. She sort of rolls from back to side, but can't roll from front to side/back. Tummy time is a no-go because she cries almost instantly, and I just can't leave her there to cry... Not sure what to do about that one, especially.

So she's almost 5 months and weighs 14lbs 3oz, and she's 25 in long. Apparently she's in the 55th % for weight, but so many of you have HUGE babies! Evelyn still doesn't fit into some of her 3-6 month stuff! My sister and I were 7.5 lb babies, and so was DH. We are exclusively BF and Evie is apparently allergic to dairy and soy (I have been having huge troubles finding foods to eat that I actually like). Our Ped says Evie is breastfeeding like a champ and everything is super great. I'm just not feeling it..

So what do you guys think about her semi-slow development? I feel so guilty because I have little to no energy lately and I think because I'm not as animated and active with Evelyn, it's impacting her negatively. I'm realistically not too worried, but I get worried as soon as I hear other mamas babies who are younger than Evie doing so many things already. I swore I would not be one of those mothers who was constantly comparing her baby to others, but I can't help it! Agh! I really am excited for all you mamas whose babies are doing so well and getting so chubby
hey, i'm sorry you're having a hard time. size wise, my baby is only 13lbs 9oz and maybe 25 inches long by now... she doesn't fit in some 3-6 clothes either. it bothers me that we're so obsessed with size when it comes to babies... some how there's always the undertone that bigger is better. doesn't help that my sister is lugging around a 24lb 7 month old... whenever i talk to her, it seems like he's doing something amazing, and my baby is just cruising along, not really doing anything late, but not really early either.

HOWEVER, after spending a few months feeling like she just wasn't advancing as fast as her cousin and other babies i hear about, i joined a moms group of about 5-6 moms, all with babies in the 4-6 month range. guess what... none of them are sitting up by themselves, none of them like tummy time, etc. seeing what other babies are doing really reassured me that we are right on track, and it sounds like evie is too. if you can find a moms group to join, i highly recommend it.

have you gotten treatment for your PPD? there are some pretty effective treatments out there, you don't have to suffer with this without help!

hugs to you! i hope you're feeling better soon.
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Oh no Kikelet! I was worried about you. I'm so so sorry you are experiencing PPD. I don't have any advice- only a ((((hug)))

Nora isn't even 13lbs yet I don't think! She rolls sometimes but not alot- She likes to be on her tummy propped up on a small pillow for a few minutes at most. no other big physical stuff. I think the "tummy time" obsession is because so many moms just prop their babies in seats all day. If you are holding her alot she is getting alot of strength and muscle control. Nora does laugh alot but really that is her personality I think. I hear you on the diet- I am there too! I have lots of ideas for allergy free food if you're interested! One quick one- OMG it is so good- Coconut milk ice cream. mmmmmmm.
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Kikelet, I'm so sorry you're having a rough time. There is nothing at all wrong with a baby your daughter's age being that size! That's a great, normal size. I think the reason some of us talk about our fat babies is not because we value fat babies more or anything, but because it's so surprising and sort of just amazing, in the most literal sense (as in, causing amazement, not being extra good, lol). When you have a huge baby, I think you just look at them and wonder how the heck they got that way, and the whole thing seems very amusing. That's how I feel about it, at least. Plus, it's probably at the front of our minds more, causing us to mention it more, because people are always mentioning it to us. When you have a chunky one, everyone mentions it. All I ever hear is how fat she is, how she looks so much older than she is, how it's amazing someone my size could have a baby that big, questions about how much she weighed at birth, and on and on and on...So if I mention her fatness, it's partly because I've heard other people mention it so many times that it's on my mind, and not at all because I think it's better for a baby to be fat.

It's normal not to be rolling over yet, too. All babies get tired of being in one position after a while, so I wouldn't worry about her wanting out of the Bumbo seat. I think it's so easy to worry about every little thing when you have PPD. I had terrible PPD-OCD with DD1. I was lucky this time, but I understand how you feel. PPD is so unfair.

And that talk about fat babies and about Bumbo seats reminds me (see? ) that DD is too fat for a Bumbo seat. We don't have one, but DH sat her in one at the store the other day. He had to pry apart the leg openings to shove her legs down in there, and when he picked her up I had to pull the thing off of her. She didn't like it, either. I guess it probably isn't comfortable having your legs squished up like that.

She's not even close to getting up on all fours to try crawling, as far as I can tell, but the other day she rolled about 4 feet from where she started. I can't be certain, but it seemed like she did it on purpose to get close to her sister, because she didn't stop until she got there, and once she did she was perfectly happy to stay there. She also manages to slide herself backwards all over the place, somehow or another. I know she isn't doing that on purpose. She can sit up with her hands on the floor for a minute, but then she loses her balance and falls forward. She's only 4.5 months, though, so I wouldn't expect her to be sitting yet, although I know some do.

She does have stranger anxiety already, though, which I was really surprised to find out. I thought that didn't start until a few months from now, but she HATES being held by anyone she doesn't know. We just found this out when we came to visit DH's family for this weekend. She got so upset about strangers holding her Thursday night that she screamed hysterically for an hour. This was after MIL (she's only met her once) held her for about 90 seconds and we took her back as soon as she started crying. It was crazy. She did that a couple weeks ago when the neighbor held her, but I thought maybe it was her perfume or something. Apparently not.

DD also does not like changes in her environment. I knew this a while back when we had company come to town and she was out of sorts all weekend, but it seems like she is more sensitive than I thought she was. We've been here since Thursday and this baby has screamed almost the entire time. Not hysterical crying screaming, but "I'm so mad, who the h*** are all these people and why are they looking at me, and why are you trying to make me nap in this strange place?" screaming. She just learned how to do it recently, I think, which sounds strange, but we actually witnessed her trying it out a few times before she totally committed to doing it every 3 seconds, loudly, non-stop. Very overwhelming. It's kind of funny when you look at it objectively, but really, it's LOUD. At least it's not crying, so it's not so heart-wrenching, but it's still overwhelming. She's really just yelling because she's mad. I'm sort of impressed with her ability to figure out that she can scream at us in anger, instead of crying. I know that sounds stupid, but it's fascinating to me. My older DD just cried at this age. lol
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Originally Posted by Plummeting View Post
I think the reason some of us talk about our fat babies is not because we value fat babies more or anything, but because it's so surprising and sort of just amazing, in the most literal sense (as in, causing amazement, not being extra good, lol). When you have a huge baby, I think you just look at them and wonder how the heck they got that way, and the whole thing seems very amusing. That's how I feel about it, at least. Plus, it's probably at the front of our minds more, causing us to mention it more, because people are always mentioning it to us. When you have a chunky one, everyone mentions it. All I ever hear is how fat she is, how she looks so much older than she is, how it's amazing someone my size could have a baby that big, questions about how much she weighed at birth, and on and on and on...So if I mention her fatness, it's partly because I've heard other people mention it so many times that it's on my mind, and not at all because I think it's better for a baby to be fat.
I'm having the same experience. My family has always had relatively small babies (I was 7+ lbs) and then I went and married a lumberjack of a man so this enormous child I birthed (9 lbs 12oz) is kind of a novelty to me and my family. He's 4.5 months and 17 lbs 6.5 oz as of last Friday. He's on his way out of most of his 3-6 month clothes. People comment on his size ALL the time which makes me super aware of how big he is. I feel like I read about everybody's "normal" sized babies on here and can't believe Ruben is still getting bigger and worry that he'll end up like Andre the Giant. But he is totally healthy and happy and so I'm just learning that big babies are "normal" for me.

Also, on the full rolling front we're not really there yet either. He rolls from side to front or back pretty regularly and once in a while we get a full front to back roll but not that often. I find it hard not to compare my baby to others. Especially as a first time mom I really have no frame of reference for normal so I fall into the trap of comparing him to everybody else. I have to constantly remind myself that everyone is different and just because so and so is sitting up with no support or crawling at 4 months (my friend informed me the other day that her son accomplished this feat) doesn't mean that Ruben is behind because he's not there yet. He's Ruben, and he'll do what he has to do when he's ready to do it.
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Oh, Kiklet

I'm shocked by the size of Avery. He's freaking huge. He's the size my daughter was at a YEAR. Sophia was 8 lbs 9 oz at birth, probably around 16 lbs at 6 months, and only about 17 at a year. Oliver was only 18 lbs at a year. This one is a shocker for me. Don't worry about your little one's size!! Also, re: milestones... they'll pretty much all be walking to kindergarten, barring extenuating circumstances. Babies are so funny, they do things at such different times. My friend's daughter is completely normal and charming, but didn't sit up until around 10 months or something. She was a later roller, too. It happens and it's not a big deal Do consider checking yourself out (google!!) for adrenal fatigue, though... you had a rough pregnancy and labor! I'm actually in the midst of trying to heal my own adrenal fatigue, actually, but now having read so much about it, I'm thinking that's what I was dealing with after oliver when I thought I had PPD. Just thought I'd mention it in case it could help you.

ETA... and honestly, I was hoping for another tiny baby like DD was... it's so much easier lugging them around all the time It's hurting my back lugging this ginormous baby around... seriously. And DD walked at 7 months, so it's not like she was lagging behind because she was small or something... some babies just ARE. *shrug*
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Ciga, just today I read an article on moxie about babies who just seem to want to cry themselves to sleep. It made me think of you, since we seem to have similar troubles with getting our babies to sleep. It's here: http://www.askmoxie.org/2006/06/babies_and_cio.html (I can never remember how to link in a word.) I have to say that I'm not personally in favor of leaving those babies alone, just because they're crying to release tension, so I totally disagree with that part of it. However, it helped me understand why DD is so hard to get down for the night. I said it in the old thread, and multiple other places on MDC (lol) that DD just seems to have to cry some before falling asleep. I can't stop her from doing it - nothing works; it only prolongs the inevitable.

The last two nights I stopped trying, and wouldn't you know it, she fell asleep MUCH faster. I just laid on the bed with her, snuggling her, patting her, or doing whatever seemed best at the moment. She cried for a few minutes, but both nights she was asleep for the night by 8 p.m. I think what's been happening is that I've been keeping her awake with all my attempts to "comfort" her, because she normally starts getting tired around 7:00 or 7:30, but doesn't wind up sleeping until 10 or 11:00. I bring her back to the bedroom and start the routine. We nurse, then she's done and starts fussing or crying, so I try to comfort her - I rock her, bounce her, sway her, walk the halls with her, etc. for the next few HOURS. She gets a second wind in there and occasionally gets happy for a while, then gets all upset all over again. This goes on forever and we both get frustrated, until she finally goes to sleep a long time after I know she wanted to.

I just finally decided to see what would happen if I didn't do all that, because she was clearly tired. So I nursed her, then when she finished and started all that fussing, I just laid next to her and did whatever comforting thing I could think of that was the least stimulating. I talked softly, rubbed her head, rubbed her back, etc. I picked her up once and held her while sitting in the bed, but that made her cry more, so I laid her back down. She rolled onto her stomach, tossed her head from side to side about 100 times, and made a lot of unhappy noises, but she was so tired her eyes were rolling back in her head and closing the entire time. lol After some time less than 10 minutes, she was out.

I'm totally against leaving a baby alone to cry it out. I'm also totally against trying to make a baby fall asleep at some time or in some way they hate. I would NEVER recommend this for any baby who doesn't seem like they just insist on crying at night, so I don't want anyone to think I'm saying all babies should be put down, even if they're crying or something. It's just that that's how my DD calms herself down or burns off energy or deals with her day's tension or whatever it is to fall asleep. By distracting her from it, I was keeping her awake. I wasn't stopping the tears, I was just holding them off for a while, essentially because it made me uncomfortable to not do something about her crying. So I did everything I could think of, but it was just keeping her awake. I don't know if your DS is like that, but I thought I'd tell you, because I know I've been at my wit's end wondering what on earth I was doing wrong.
post #13 of 59
hi~

so ds is a wk shy of 5 months (or so!). and a few days ago he started rolling over! In the past he would sometimes roll onto his back when I put him on his belly. Now he rolls from his back to his belly. It is really cute! But the funny part is that now (since yesterday!) when I put him on his back he almost always rolls onto his belly and then seems to get stuck that way, and I have to place him on his back!
He is into taking everything into his hands and putting it in his mouth.
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Well imagine my surprise when Evie rolled over hours after writing my original post! It's so hard to be objective as a first time mom, isn't it? Rationally, I know she is a normal size and is developing at her own, healthy pace. It's easy for me to reassure moms who are concerned about the things I am, but when it's *my* baby..no amount of self-reassurance seems to cut it. I appreciate everyone's responses so much. I'm so glad we have this thread to continue or chatter about our babies!

Juvysen - I saw your FB posts about adrenal fatigue and I'll check that out asap. I am so incredibly tired lately, even with an extra hours' sleep, vitamins, and more food.

Does anyone have a baby who only poops once every 3-4 days? Evie just started doing this and I hear it's completely normal for EBF babies.
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Does anyone have a baby who only poops once every 3-4 days? Evie just started doing this and I hear it's completely normal for EBF babies.
Well, at least it's normal with Evies... Actually, my oldest did this too.
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Yep, i think it's normal for some babies to do that. All three of mine went through phases of one day a week pooping (but on that one day, you better watch out!).

My mom gave me a book called "adrenal fatigue: the 21st century stress syndrome" and it's been pretty helpful.
post #17 of 59
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pooping! we had a nice regular routine of pooping every other day at 11am for ages, and tzippy has had to go and throw it off this week. *pout*

it makes me feel like a terrible mother, because three times now i've not realized she's been sitting in poop for who knows how long... once she'd already pooped twice, so i put her down for a nap and didn't think to check the diaper again, once she pooped some time in the night and i didn't check her diaper until we were getting up in the morning, and once we were running around all afternoon on errands, it wasn't a "poop day" or a "poop time" and i was a bit lax about changing diapers. her skin is so sensitive, and i HATE the thought of her sitting in a soiled diaper for any length of time.

plummeting, that's a super interesting article. tzippy is definitely not a tension-releaser. crying always makes her more and more wound-up and nursing and rocking seem to work best. do you think that sleep trained babies would appear to be tension-releasers? since they might have cried lots and lots at first, but now just whimper a bit before going to sleep?
post #18 of 59
Avery cries at the breast when he's really tired. I cuddle with him until he gives in to sleep. Sophia was like that, too. Seems to me oliver wasn't, though.
post #19 of 59
If Samuel doesn't nurse to sleep (like the last day or two - he's had a cold and can't nurse well enough to fall asleep), then I rock him. And sometimes he will protest cry. I usually give it 10 minutes or so - if he's not calming down and his crying is escalating, I'll try taking a break and doing something else with him. It usually doesn't take that long though.

Are any of you going to sign with your babies? I'd like to, and figure I should probably start soon. How many signs do you have? Do you use the ASL sign or do you make one up that works for your family?

And, what does your bedtime routine look like? I've had a hard time being consistent with this. Right now, it's change diaper, put on pj's, nurse, sleep. If I'm on top of it and am able to start this before he's way too tired to put up with anything else, we might read a book or two.
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Are any of you going to sign with your babies? I'd like to, and figure I should probably start soon. How many signs do you have? Do you use the ASL sign or do you make one up that works for your family?

And, what does your bedtime routine look like? I've had a hard time being consistent with this. Right now, it's change diaper, put on pj's, nurse, sleep. If I'm on top of it and am able to start this before he's way too tired to put up with anything else, we might read a book or two.
We're expecting to do some signs. With the other two we didn't get much past please, thank you, and more, but my older kids are excited about learning sign language, so we might do more this time around.

We don't really have a bedtime routine with Avery. We do with the older two, but we usually don't get there until the kids are around 18 months? something like that.
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