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post #21 of 29
I had to respond to this thread, because I am just like you, and I have had two natural births. I think that for me, the key was having a care provider I trusted and laboring at home. (My first birth was in a hospital but I was well into active labor by the time I got there).

Unlike MegBoz, though, I was NOT lucid during active labor. I can't account for her story, but when I read yours I thought, it was likely the pitocin that threw a wrench into the natural process. My understanding is that the natural labor process releases powerful painkilling chemicals in your brain (esp oxytocin) that don't allow you to feel pain to the extent you would without them. Because pitocin goes directly into the bloodstream and does not go through the brain, you don't get that "high." That's all I can compare it to, being high.

Like a number of other responders, I also labor alone. I don't want to talk to anyone, I don't want or need anyone touching me, I just go inside my head and do my thing (mainly rocking back and forth and vocalizing). I can answer basic questions if I have to, but I can't hold a conversation. All of this DESPITE being a highly anxious, worrywart, type A personality. In fact, the day before my second son's birth, in fact a few hours before early labor started, I had a total breakdown about the fact that he was posterior. And then the whole thing turned out fine -- once I was in labor, I didn't have the ability to get in my own way anymore.

I didn't consciously do anything in order to have this happen -- it was involuntary. As long as those contractions are coming, I can't overthink anything. Now, in my first labor, I had stops and starts, and I did start thinking during one of the stops (ctx had slowed to every 15 min) and got very discouraged -- this was after laboring for 12 hrs. At that point I went in to my midwife's office to be checked, and she told me I was at 6. From that moment, with that encouragement, my labor picked back up, and an hour later at the hospital I was totally out of it (thank goodness ... more on that in a minute).

My "thing" about labor and birth is that I am terrified of interventions. Having a C-section is one of my worst fears in the world. Having something done to me without consent -- like amniotomy, episiotomy, vaginal exams -- scares the hell out of me. So, that's why having midwives was so important for me ... and I had my second at home, and I think that helped me too. This is not to say you should have a midwife or give birth at home, just to say that feeling safe and respected and listened to, wherever that may be, is, in my view, extremely important to being able to relax in labor.

Hope this is somewhat helpful. Hypnobabies was not for me, to weigh in on that question -- I cannot suspend disbelief like that, it's a little new agey for me. I wish that it was something I could get into, because it sounds great! But like others above, I found Birthing from Within more helpful. And also the Sears Birth Book -- for me, knowing what was going on, having facts and numbers in front of me, was comforting. But I am a nerd that way!
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by Belia View Post

I'm actually shocked that several of you had Hypnobabies work for you. It seems to be so counterintuitive to us type-A types.
Not true at all! Being type-A can be a great thing when learning self-hypnosis! It's all about making a choice and sticking to it. Who does that better than type-A people? A woman can choose to focus on reasons that it won't "work" for her, and all the reasons she may not be doing it "right". Or she can choose to do the practice as explained, accept the suggestions, and use the skills. There are FAQs in the Yahoo group, and this is what it says about type A personalities and Hypnobabies:

"Q) I've been told I'm a type A personality and that due to this I will have trouble being in hypnosis. Is this true?

A) Absolutely NOT. There is no such thing as a "bad subject", just a person who really doesn't really feel safe entering and staying in hypnosis. Usually this is due to a fear of lack of control, which actually never happens in hypnosis. All hypnosis is self-hypnosis. You *choose* to enter, stay in and come out at will. When people don't really know all about hypnosis and are not feeling a rapport with, and completely comfortable with either the person who is the hypno-guide, or hypnosis itself, (this is essential to letting go and having a real hypnotic session) they will choose not to enter hypnosis. This can change with education and practice.

Q) But I am a VERY typical type A person, always thinking - over thinking. Is there hope for me?

A) Of course there is. Some of the best births I've seen have been with women just like you, who are so strong minded, and very invested in making it work. It may take a bit more effort, to just let go and not analyze, but it is well worth it and you will do that if you really want it.

Two things will help:

1) Listen to every word of the CD, very carefully, following along with every word exactly as it is being said, as if you were repeating it in your mind. Since you cannot think two conscious thoughts at one time, your mind cannot analyze or criticize anything it is hearing, and soon, it will simply accept the messages unconditionally.

2) The opposite: When listening to your CDs, just "check out", thinking of anything else than what you are hearing on the recording. Your work tomorrow, your grocery list, try to name all the people in your family's birth dates, etc. Your inner mind is listening to the CD messages, and your conscious mind does not have a chance to analyze or criticize.

Q) Also - is this an all or nothing thing? I mean if I do the work and it doesn't "work" will I at least be more relaxed? Maybe not hypnotized but relaxed?

A) Please be aware that it always *works* in that women who use hypnosis are automatically much more relaxed and comfortable, and *how well* it works depends on many things; things that change from woman to woman, and birth to birth. Here’s what I've seen:

You have a much better chance of having an excellent, comfortable, hypnotic birth if you:

1) *Really* want an unmedicated birth using hypnosis.

2) Take your birth hypnosis program seriously.

3) Practice religiously, every day.

4) Choose a supportive caregiver.

5) Use Pregnancy and Birth Affirmations every day and don't let negativity about childbirth in.

6) Make excellent, informed choices when it comes to your pregnancy, labor and birth. This includes choosing to let nature take its course (in the absence of complications) when possible, knowing that the introduction of unnecessary interventions can change the course of your hypno-birth irrevocably.

7) **Having, or gaining an unwavering trust in your body, mind and baby; that working together, they will produce for you the kind of birth experience you want."


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Originally Posted by Belia View Post
One of you mentioned falling asleep during the tapes... well, I was so scared to fall asleep because I thought I read that it wasn't as effective! Hm!

Oh yeah... did I mention that I'm not even pregnant?!? Or really even close to TTC?? That's how freaky-in-my-head that I am.
Falling asleep is fine. The recommendation is that you take the time to listen to each script while alert one time, to learn what suggestions are included. Then, you can sleep through it, guilt-free! Here is some information about sleeping while practicing:
http://www.enjoybirth.com/faq-sleeping.html

And you're not freaky-in-your-head, you just have foresight and a willness to prepare instead of procrastinate. That's a good thing! (I hope, because I made the decision to buy Hypnobabies for my second birth while in the process of giving birth to my first child! Honestly!)
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by msmiranda View Post
Hope this is somewhat helpful. Hypnobabies was not for me, to weigh in on that question -- I cannot suspend disbelief like that, it's a little new agey for me. I wish that it was something I could get into, because it sounds great! But like others above, I found Birthing from Within more helpful. And also the Sears Birth Book -- for me, knowing what was going on, having facts and numbers in front of me, was comforting. But I am a nerd that way!
I can understand why you might think you need to suspend disbelief in order to use Hypnobabies, but the way it works has a physiological reason. The hypnosis techniques allow you to release your body's natural painkillers (endorphins) on cue. More endorphins = less pain

Honestly, there's nothing that jumps out to me as New Agey in Hyonobabies at all. (I did think HypnoBirthing was New Agey, though). Hyonobabies worked for my personality because it includes lots of those wonderful facts and statistics on birth topics and it also taught real medical hypno-anesthesia techniques (much more powerful and effective than simple relaxation and imagery, which often feel very frou-frou). I knew that if I made the conscious choice to overlook the weirdness of hypnosis and just do the program as outlined, I would maximize my odds of having an easier, more comfortable birth. That's exactly what happened for me and many other moms.

ETA: I'd also like to point out that Hypnobabies Childbirth Hypnosis does not require moms to believe that the pain of childbirth is only in their heads or that birth "isn't supposed to hurt". Other hypnosis methods do require those things/teach those things, which I think does a disservice to women and causes a sense of failure if pain is experienced.
post #24 of 29
Maybe I am mixing up Hypnobabies with Hypnobirthing then ... I should check out the former next time around. From what you describe, it sounds very similar to the way I instinctively labored. Thanks for clarifying!
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Belia View Post
When Ina May writes things like "have your monkey do it," I literally have NO IDEA what that means. I mean, I intellectually understand, but have no concept of how to shut off my brain and actually get to that place.

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I sort of understand, but don't like it. I like my over-analytical brain and don't want it shut off. I want it involved in every experience.

I know many of you mamas are probably thinking to yourself, "Well, she must not have been too far in labor or she must not have been in too much pain if she could be thinking thoughts like that." BUT I WAS. That's just it. That's how my brain works. When I'm stressed or there's a lot going on, my brain attends even MORE to little details like that, and those thoughts get louder and louder like static the more uncomfortable I am.

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I had very clear, lucid thoughts during transition while on pit and after having my waters broken, lying on my back. My brain was working overtime and I was analyzing the myth of Eve and 'bringing forth children in pain' and the apparent fact that there WAS something ominous about matter and sexuality and procreation after all and that all those dualistic heresies may have had a point there. Yup, during transition.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE that I was getting in my own way during labor, and that's why I didn't progress more or faster. Even though DH, the nurse, and the doula all reported that I APPEARED very calm and centered during contractions and was breathing through them well, in my head I was basically yelling at myself the whole time.

Once I got the epidural, my body could get my brain out if its way and get on with the contractions, which it did relatively quickly.
Now this is the only thing I might disagree with. 5 hours for 4cm to complete sounds sane after 11 hours from 0 to 4 when induced with your first. I'm pretty sure you'd have made the same progress without the epidural, it just made it easier, and I'm a heretic here who doesn't think it's a tragedy if a woman chooses an epidural to help herself have an easier birth, if that's what she wants.

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Originally Posted by MegBoz View Post

The instant I saw your title, I knew I had to respond. That is totally me! I'm type A, analytical, "in-my-head" type of person & I had a natural birth.

I agree, Hyponbabies is not for me. I know I just can't alter my consciousness & perception of reality in that way. I know it's great for many people & I actually recommend it, but it's just not for me. I probably would have had an experience similar to yours.

DH & I took Bradley training & another friend of mine took it as well. (Different instructor.) She said her instructor said, "Bradley women are type A." I think she's right about that.

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Yeah, me too. I just don't feel like altering my consciousness on purpose for a big event like giving birth. I like to experience reality as it is. That's the reason I'm not into either epidurals OR Hypnobabies.
I was "lucid" - I mean, completely lucid the entire time. I never got out of myself. I never thought, "Oh no, I can't do this!" The worst I ever thought was, "Man, I can see why people want drugs for this!" (not that *I* want them, but I can comprehend the desire that others have.) That was transition for me.
These were my thoughts exactly during transition! 'I can understand why women opt for epidurals and I'll never judge anyone for choosing to have one!'

The second time around no one broke my waters and I had no pit and was free to walk around and drink water and shower until the time I had to push, though, and it was so different and so EASY compared to #1 that I'd barely started type 2 Bradley breathing, let alone thought it was too difficult.
post #26 of 29
Yeah, me too. I just don't feel like altering my consciousness on purpose for a big event like giving birth. I like to experience reality as it is. That's the reason I'm not into either epidurals OR Hypnobabies.

That's a common misperception about Hypnobabies. Women using it actually tend to be more lucid and aware of their "reality" when using hypnosis for birth. In fact, it confuses caregivers all the time, because they assume a woman isn't really in their birthing because she's so calm and acting so "normal". There is no "altering consciousness" when using Hypnobabies any more when we do the other things we typically do while in self-hypnosis, such as watching TV, reading a book, exercising, waiting for an elevator, etc. We are fully connected to our bodies and our thoughts, we are just better able to focus our attention where we choose.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by msmiranda View Post
My "thing" about labor and birth is that I am terrified of interventions. Having a C-section is one of my worst fears in the world.... So, that's why having midwives was so important for me ... and I had my second at home, and I think that helped me too.

See, I was terrified of an epidural too- more than a c-section, actually. I HATE needles, and the idea of one in my spine?!?!? NO WAY. I actually had knee surgery about 10 years ago and when I was told (after the fact ) that the only way I could have decent pain medication was if I got a shot, I said no. My mom could have killed me.

So, yeah, I was serious about "no needles" and I had "suffered" so I didn't have to get a shot in the past. But I went for that epidural after like my house was on fire after 11 hours.


The other thing that your post made me realize was that maybe I was more disadvantaged than I thought. Not only with the pitocin, but also because I really wasn't comfortable with my MW. I had been seeing a MW group for my entire pg who I absolutely LOVED, but their practice was taken over and disbanded (hostile-ly!) by their supervising hospital when I was 32 weeks pg. SO I was put in the position of finding new caregivers, when I was high risk already, when I was VERY CLOSE to delivery.

I did find a new MW group, but they are much more medical than my original caregivers. I only went there 2 times before my water broke. So I did not feel safe, and I also got off on a very bad foot with a nurse on L&D when she tried to start the induction. So that was bad too, and my labor began with me feeling very vulnerable and doomed.

Things improved once the doula and midwife arrived and we were assigned a new nurse. But maybe all of that affected me more than I thought.

We live in a state that is pretty hostile to HB, and I was/am not 100% comfortable with that idea, so homebirth was never an option.

The Hypnobabies discussion is so fascinating to me!!! There was no way that finger drop stuff would work for me.
post #28 of 29
I'm a very anxious, introverted, self-conscious, in-my-head type person, and frankly a bit of a control freak. I've had three unmedicated births, one in the hospital and two at home.

For me, this was the only way to go - being medicated would have made me feel out of control, more anxious, more self-conscious (at least that's how I assume I would have felt). I also had a major fear of epidurals because I know they are administered somewhat similarly to getting a spinal tap, and my mom had complications of a spinal tap when I was a teenager that left her in very severe pain and hospitalized for days (I know the same complications are probably very rare for an epi, but the thought of a needle in my spine just freaks me out, and I can remember her pain, and how out of it on painkillers she was, so vividly).

I did Bradley method classes before my first birth (I'm now in the process of becoming a Bradley teacher) and those worked really well for me. They give you a lot of different tactics, so if one doesn't work you can try something else. Also, having my husband as a support person was great, I was much less self-conscious than I would have been with someone else.

Having a homebirth was wonderful because I was totally in control of my environment and I didn't have to deal with any strangers (nurses, etc. - only family and midwives I knew pretty well at that point). But our hospital birth went fine, probably in part because we stayed home until relatively late in labor (dd was born 4 hours after we left for the hospital, I had been in labor for about 18 hours when we left) and because the hospital was very respectful of our wishes - even after I was admitted, they pretty much left me alone until I was pushing. And our midwife was great.

My third birth was especially amazing - I had such a sense of what was happening in my body. I could really feel the muscles working, my uterus contracting and opening the cervix, and as long as I was processing that as "muscles working" and not "pain" it didn't hurt. I was using a lot of visualization, picturing what was happening in my body - using my brain to connect to my body, I guess.

I'll also say that I did lose my self-consciousness when I was deep in labor; and earlier in labor it wasn't an issue because it was just me and dh.

@Belia, it sounds like you had a difficult situation. So sorry you had to deal with such stress late in your pregnancy :
post #29 of 29
Another Type A natural birth person here. I never tried the hypnobirthing/babies stuff. I had a major insight in my childbirth education class. I don't remember what the teacher said or did, but I suddenly realized that the thing she was describing was just what you need to do when singing. I had taken quite a few voice lessons and it's exactly the same.

My voice teacher used to say it was much harder for me to learn to sing than for his football player singers. He just told them what to do and they did it. I had to *understand* it. Why does X technique work, how should it feel, how is it different than what we tried last week, etc. I did learn how to sing, though, it was just a more cerebral process.

For me, both singing and yoga intellectually-engaging activities that help my mind tell my body how to relax. I can't and don't want to "tune out". I was totally lucid through both labors, the second one with pitocin.

It was just like Meg said. I met myself in labor, but I wasn't a stranger to myself. I can do hard stuff, but I do hard stuff by using my brain more than anything else. You can totally do this *your way*.
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