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[danalyn]

I think I remember recently reading that "some vaccnines" contain "aborted human fetal tissue". Is that true? If so, where can I read about that? thanks.

[Emmeline II]

Goggle "human diploid cells" and vaccines.

[PinkinPA]

It is very true. Also the use of these cells have been linked to cancer risks.

It has to do with reusing the same tissue strand over and over.

Forgive me if I don't have the correct terminology, this is from the top of my head.

[mgg]

This is true, but it's not what most people think.

Some of the original cell lines used to develop immunizations utilized tissue taken from fertilized embryos that were never implanted. It was not technically "aborted" because the term "abort" means to eliminate an in utero pregnancy. These embryos were never implanted and were going to be disposed of.

This is no longer used. However the same cell lines have been duplicated and utilized since then (sort of like a sourdough starter).

This certainly isn't the place for a discussion about abortion, when life begins, or personal moral or ethical beliefs. And I am not trying to discount someone's feelings about this. But I do think it's important for people to understand what is meant by this term, as most people, when the hear it, have a very different idea in mind.

And the use of these cells has been hypothesised as a cancerous mechanism. It has never been linked, and there is no model for this to be the case.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by mgg

This is true, but it's not what most people think.

Some of the original cell lines used to develop immunizations utilized tissue taken from fertilized embryos that were never implanted. It was not technically "aborted" because the term "abort" means to eliminate an in utero pregnancy. These embryos were never implanted and were going to be disposed of.
This is no longer used. However the same cell lines have been duplicated and utilized since then (sort of like a sourdough starter).

This certainly isn't the place for a discussion about abortion, when life begins, or personal moral or ethical beliefs. And I am not trying to discount someone's feelings about this. But I do think it's important for people to understand what is meant by this term, as most people, when the hear it, have a very different idea in mind.

And the use of these cells has been hypothesised as a cancerous mechanism. It has never been linked, and there is no model for this to be the case.

This is untrue. They absolutely were technically aborted. WI-38 one of the first lines developed by Dr. Haylick in the early 1960's was taken from tissue collected from the lungs of a female baby at 3 months gestation. You can read about this here: L. Hayflick, The Limited In Vitro Lifetime of Human Diploid Cell Strains, Experimental Cell Research, 37, 611-636, 1965 and here:

http://ccr.coriell.org/Sections/Sear...814-J&PgId=166
Dr. Stanley Plotkin who developed the Rubella vaccine reports on this cell line

This fetus was chosen by Dr. Sven Gard, specifically for this purpose. Both parents are known, and unfortunately for the story, they are married to each other, still alive and well, and living in Stockholm, presumably. The abortion was done because they felt they had too many children. There were no familial diseases in the history of either parent, and no history of cancer specifically in the families.”

The MRC-5 cell line developed in 1970 from derived from the lung tissue of a 14-week gestation male aborted in 1966 for “psychiatric reasons”
you can read about this here: Jacobs, Nature 277:168 (1970), Characteristics of a human diploid cell designated MRC-5.
and here: http://ccr.coriell.org/Sections/Sear...965-F&PgId=166

There are als cell lines RA273, developed during the 1964 rubella epidemic when women were told to abort their babies to avoid the possibility of contracting congential rubella.

There is also PER C6 developed in 1985 and HEK 293.
All of these cell lines are cultured on cells that yes, while they may have been replicated many times, were drived from tissue that originated from a therapeutically aborted baby.

To the OP. As for the link to cancer....google and read about the He-la cell line

[LisaSedai]

Some of the original cell lines used to develop immunizations utilized tissue taken from fertilized embryos that were never implanted.

What's your source for this info?

[nia82]

Thanks Marnica for clarifying! I knew that stuff but would have to do some serious googling.

@ mgg: I'm very curious to learn where you were told that the origin of those emryonic cells, it is a very obvious big time misinformation. My MD sister back in Europe was well aware that the tissue indeed stemmed from abortions, some elective, some "medical" because of the rubella ourbreak. Many moms indeed did not have congenital rubella which makes the whole ordeal even more morally unacceptable.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by nia82

Thanks Marnica for clarifying! I knew that stuff but would have to do some serious googling.

@ mgg: I'm very curious to learn where you were told that the origin of those emryonic cells, it is a very obvious big time misinformation. My MD sister back in Europe was well aware that the tissue indeed stemmed from abortions, some elective, some "medical" because of the rubella ourbreak. Many moms indeed did not have congenital rubella which makes the whole ordeal even more morally unacceptable.

Yes.

That's where the 27 number comes in from RA 273. there were 26 healthy fetuses aborted. The 27th one had CR and was used for the cell line. Rubella is clinically named: RA273 (R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus, 3=3rd tissue explants)

[mgg]

My sincere apologies, I just looked back and was surprised at what I typed.

What I should have said is that while a handful of the original cell lines were taken from aborted fetal tissue, they are not currently utilizing present day aborted fetuses. Whereas they are still using non-implanted embryos in some research and development.

Some of the original cell lines are still used for culture medium for development, as they continue to regenerate them.

That's the problem with doing too many things at once! My apologies!