time period between +opk and increase in temps?

[JustLooking_30]

What is the time period between first detection of surge (or trigger shot) and increase in BBT that indicates successful ovulation?

In my case, in some cycles (where my surge is strong), this period is 48 hours.
In others (weaker, but still clear surge), this period is 72 hours -see chart for example http:///www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b034a.

I conceived and lost a child in a very distinct cycle pattern where there is the first pattern (super strong surge and clear ovulation at 48 hours later), hence I don't want to ever use this kind of cycle again for conception.

I was just curious about how it was with other people.

[MaerynPearl]

Originally Posted by JustLooking_30

I conceived and lost a child in a very distinct cycle pattern where there is the first pattern (super strong surge and clear ovulation at 48 hours later), hence I don't want to ever use this kind of cycle again for conception.

Why?

In my opinion that would be the optimal cycle to conceive. Losing the baby had nothing to do with the ovulation itself, I am quite sure.

[JustLooking_30]

Originally Posted by MaerynPearl

Why?

In my opinion that would be the optimal cycle to conceive. Losing the baby had nothing to do with the ovulation itself, I am quite sure.

You cannot be sure, this is a topic nobody (including the experts) know much about

Its highly likely that I lost the baby because of a genetic error in the egg. Whether this error was completely random (it could very well be), or a likely result of the environment in which the egg matured, is the million dollar question.

During the process of ovulation, a great deal of action (including the final phases of cell division) occur AFTER your LH surge begins.
Because genetic errors are mostly produced during cell division, you can have errors cropping up here, or well before.

Its utterly fascinating to me that I have a distinct cycles with slower egg maturation, versus much faster maturation (in half the time). Nobody can be able to say whether an egg from the former or the latter process is better, but all I know is an egg coming out of a latter cycle pattern was no good. Interesting enough, this same cycle pattern has a shorter (12 day) luteal phase and fewer days of egg white cervical mucus (with lower quantity of the same as well)

I have a feeling I can conceive in most of my cycles, and hence, the next time I try, I'd want to avoid the pattern which produced the flawed egg.

[Baby_Cakes]

Originally Posted by JustLooking_30

Its highly likely that I lost the baby because of a genetic error in the egg. Whether this error was completely random (it could very well be), or a likely result of the environment in which the egg matured, is the million dollar question.

I have a feeling I can conceive in most of my cycles, and hence, the next time I try, I'd want to avoid the pattern which produced the flawed egg.

I get what you're saying but I think you're assuming a lot, and putting a lot of fault in that egg when it could be anything that went wrong. I hate to sound insensitive, I'm sorry if I do, and of course I'm so sorry for your loss. But I personally wouldn't be so quick to "throw out" eggs after a strong surge. If that were the case, wouldn't mc rates be much higher than they already are? It's an interesting theory, but I'm not so sure I buy it...

[JustLooking_30]

I don't think anybody can 'buy' my theory. As a scientist I'm pretty aware that most of it is hand-waving with a lot of ifs and buts. Its highly possible I'm not right, but there remains that small possibility that I am. Only somebody who has been through a loss (and I pray you have not) can understand the crippling fear that accompanies the thought of going through such a process again, and the desire to avoid it at all costs.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that conception can happen in ANY of my cycles. For example, if you look at 2.28.10 cycle on my homepage http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b034a - its the most gorgeous one I have had so far, with the most days of EWCM and most tellingly, a longer luteal phase(which is supposed to be an indicator of 'better' egg quality) That pretty much the only one I want to try in again.

I've got all the time in the world to conceive again, and I can pick whichever cycle, it would not make much of a difference as far as conception would go. I'm pretty aware that nothing is certain and nothing is foolproof- we just have to hedge our bets and pray

[EllyMayMomma]

I am new to temping and charts, so forgive me if this is a dumb question. But, how do you know which kind of cycle that month is going to be, a strong surge or not? Lab work? so you don't BD if it is a strong surge? If you are watching temps, how do you know if it is a 3 day cycle or 2 day cycle before it happens? I am not really question whether you can, just wanting to learn how bc I am so new at it.

I know what you mean on trying not to repeat something that stands out about conception. I lost my baby when I O'd around day 10 rather than my usual 14-15. I will not TTC that early in my cycle if I O that early again. That being said, a strong surge does not correlate into decreased egg viability and you may eventually get to where you don't completely disregard this type of cycle (if you can predict it to begin with.) But, the desire to not have a repeat, well, I totally get that.

[JustLooking_30]

Originally Posted by EllyMayMomma

I am new to temping and charts, so forgive me if this is a dumb question. But, how do you know which kind of cycle that month is going to be, a strong surge or not? Lab work? so you don't BD if it is a strong surge? If you are watching temps, how do you know if it is a 3 day cycle or 2 day cycle before it happens? I am not really question whether you can, just wanting to learn how bc I am so new at it.

I know what you mean on trying not to repeat something that stands out about conception. I lost my baby when I O'd around day 10 rather than my usual 14-15. I will not TTC that early in my cycle if I O that early again. That being said, a strong surge does not correlate into decreased egg viability and you may eventually get to where you don't completely disregard this type of cycle (if you can predict it to begin with.) But, the desire to not have a repeat, well, I totally get that.

Ellymay, those are good questions. I can tell what kind of cycle I will have because my charting of temperatures has been extremely informative. I noticed that if my CD3 temperature is low (96.9 ish) then I can predict that I will ovulate early (around day 15). On the other hand, if my CD3 temperatures are high (around 97.3-97.4), then I will ovulate later (day 20ish).

There is some sound theory behind this- estrogen is a hormone which pushes your temperature down, and I reasoned that if my estrogen is higher at the start of my cycle, then it would peak more quickly. On the other hand, if it is lower early on, then there is slow but steady increase, which results in later ovulation.

So far, I've tested this theory only in 2 cycles and its been bang on. Of course I need more to be utterly certain, but I think it will bear out.

As to how I can tell what kind of LH surge I will have, that I have been able to predict looking at my BBT pattern as well as cervical mucus pattern. I had a cycle like this in november when I was brand new to charting. Then in April, I started seeing exactly the same pattern again. When I got my surge (strength determined on how much darker the test line was compared to the control line), I knew that my temp was going to go up in 48 hours and not 72, and turned out I was right.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I think the fact that you miscarried from your day 10 ovulation is somewhat telling. According to some schools of thought, early ovulations are not supposed to be good, and I tend to believe that.

Check out this link- it backed up some of my own theories and talks about your menstrual cycle and the day of ovulation rcan be indicative of your egg quality.

http://www.fertility.ca/2008/06/how-...r-egg-quality/

[HulaJenn]

First i am sorry for your loss.
This is all very interesting possibilities. And I think if you want to go the extra lengths to only ttc when you have a pattern you are comfortable with, then it isn't hurting anything, but may take longer to conceive and may result in m/c anyway regardless of the situation.
:good luck. I pray you get your sticky bean soon!