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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I need some reassurance. My kids are starting school for the first time, and I am particularly worried about my 6yo.

Both of my children are sweet and sensitive, as pretty much all kids are, but my younger son is much more of a delicate soul in some ways than my older son. Ds2 gets overwhelmed with too much noise and chaos. He gets really upset with being timed or racing or other competition. He is slow in getting his words out, but usually has something important to say, and gets really upset and hurt when someone cuts him off or stops listening before he's done. He doesn't like being rushed - he concentrates really hard on what he's working on, and gets very frustrated if he's forced to stop before he's finished. He's a dreamer, often singing to himself and just lying in the grass watching the bugs or the clouds.

He's taken classes and done summer day camps and does just fine. But those have all been hand selected by me, and are all for fun, without any pressure. It's not like he can't handle instruction or freaks out from loud noises, but I just can't imagine him thriving day in and day out in a regimented, competitive situation.

My older son thrives in noise and chaos, loves competition, rolls with the punches and just generally functions better in what I imagine a typical public school classroom will be like. But I am so nervous for ds2. I just can't picture him dealing well with being in the middle of a project and the bell ringing. Or teachers have "just for fun" competitions. Or him having an important question about what he's supposed to do but the teacher not having time to listen to him explain. Or 15 minute recesses when everyone races to get a game started and then is hyped up to get their turn before it's over. These are the kind of situations that freak him out.

I wish he was going to a sweet little private school, but we just can't afford it, and I'm worried about his little delicate soul.
post #2 of 21
Have you visited the school where your kids are heading? I would try to talk to someone there and see what you think. Our 6 year old is also very sweet and sensitive. He's headed to 2nd grade at our local public elementary school and mostly, it's been great! He definitely had some issues in KG with not finishing stuff quickly and not staying on task. The teacher worked with him and with us to help him focus on getting things done. His dreaminess has never affected his academic ability and while it has certainly been noticeable, it hasn't caused any serious problems.

He did have issues at recess in KG when the other kids started playing a boys-against-the-girls game. He didn't like that because he doesn't like boys against the girls and he didn't always react well to the other kids playing something he disagreed with. But, again, we were able to work through it with the school.

He used to not be able to handle losing and competition, but I think school has helped with that.

I wouldn't say everything at our school is perfect, but almost all the adults at the school totally stress kindness toward others as a top goal. So, my main point is, try to find out what you're getting into because it might be just fine.
post #3 of 21
I think you'll be surprised at how well he can handle it. Kids usually rise to the occasion when given the opportunity. I have two kids with anxiety disorder and I do stress about them in school but I feel it's important for them to learn to get along in the world, and IMO, dealing with peers and teachers is a part of that. I talk to the teachers frequently about any issues and have no problem being a pain in someone's butt if I feel it isn't being handled properly.
post #4 of 21
Go to the principal and explain what type of child your son is. Chances are .. there's a teacher that's good with those types. Also, you might look at the enrollment numbers and see how big the class size will be. My son went to kindie and there were only 12 kids in his class. It was amazing.
post #5 of 21
I have a very sensitive child going into 4th grade. We kept him in a private K because I was worried about his ability to cope with public school at age 5. By age 6, he went to public school.

By and large, he's done really well. I did talk to the teachers ahead of time and told them what sort of things really bother him. I requested a teacher that maintained a calm, quiet classroom. (Some kids thrive on a busy, bustling classroom, but I knew that ds would not.)

The good news about 1st grade is that they're not that locked into same-gender play. So, ds spent 1st and 2nd grade recess playing with a few of the girls who were also sensitive and imaginative. In 2nd grade, they had some sort of game going on with the trees on the playground. There were Mr. and Mrs. Oakie and their children Leafy and Piney. There was great mourning when Mrs. Oakie fell down and had to be removed! There wasn't anyone racing to do organized games.

The hardest part of the day was lunch for ds, because the lunchroom was noisy. He ate very little. So, we'd feed him a good breakfast and a big snack when he got home.

The teacher will most likely be experienced with kids who take a while to get their words out and kind of ramble on. They've also seen a lot of kids who melt down in competition and don't like being interrupted in the middle of a project. Part of what your son will learn is how to get to the point a little faster and that it's OK to put a project away for another day. There's actually very little competition at our kids' school. Even gym class is mostly non-competitive or team games where one person couldn't possibly make a difference. (It's changed a ton since I was a kid!)

But please, go talk to the principal and his teacher! You sound terribly anxious about all this, and I don't think you need be. Being able to put faces to the teachers and walking through the school might be good for you (and your kids)!
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately I don't know who the teacher will be yet. When I took the initial tour, I talked with the principal briefly afterwards about the idea of talking to the teacher about my child and she was pretty dismissive of the idea, saying they wouldn't know until the last minute who the teacher would be. I think it's a bunch of baloney, and they just say that because parents want to request certain teachers and switch around.

I am going to go down there next week to find out who the teacher is, and see if she's around.

I don't know - as a homeschooler, this whole concept is so foreign to me. I just can't imagine how this is going to work.
post #7 of 21
Once you know who the teacher is set up a time to chat. It is amazing how kids adapt. It might not be baloney that they don't know until the last minute which teacher is getting which class. Depending on how many classes there are they might not know until the last minute. I don't have a class list yet because so many changes happen over the summer. Numbers can change and classes need to be shuffled before school even begins which can mean that teachers change what grade they are teaching, etc. Also some schools do a reorganization in Sept/Oct so you can always make a request at that time and after having given the teacher a chance.
post #8 of 21
My DS sounds a lot like yours, and he just finished kindy at a PS last spring. His teacher was very nice, but just about as opposite in personality as would be possible - very structured and regimented.

I have no doubt that she loved how sweet my child is. I also have no doubt that he drove her absolutely insane. We had many, many discussions on what I could do to get him to stay on task and work faster (including timing everything he did at home, and having him try to do 'x' faster each day). I did give her ideas a shot, but was unsurprised when the timer led to anxiety and meltdowns, and after that, I just sort of smiled and thanked her when she made suggestions and went back to our own ways.

But you know what? He did great and really loved his teacher. He had a fun year and he learned a lot. The only complaint he ever had was that he was bored (I think because he was underperforming on the tests the teacher gave, and she wasn't challenging him enough - when I mentioned boredom to the teacher, she was surprised, but gave him some more challenging tasks to work on.)
post #9 of 21
My goodness, you sensitive boy sounds just like my DS1!

I have a few suggestions:

1. Don't judge a school before you see it. Schools are all created very differently. Explore your charter options and look at online reviews and tour the ones that strike you.

2. Don't rule out private all together. If you can find a private school that is a perfect fit, talk to them about payment assistance and scholarships. We enrolled DS in the perfect school but could not afford it again the second year. I talked to the owner and told her how much we loved being there and asked if there was anything we could do to bring our tuition costs down so that we wouldn't have to take DS out. It turned out that DH and I were offered website creation and maintenance (this is something we can do - if you have certain skills, offer them!) and were given an massive discount on tuition. This is our third year there now and our DD is starting. We filled out a financial aide form (the money is a gift, not a loan) and were granted tuition for both children in the amount that we paid the previous year for just one! Schools value families that will contribute to their community and will often work to keep them there.

3. Don't underestimate your son. I fretted and worried over DS1 starting school for all the same reasons. None of my fears every came true, though. He has THRIVED! Kids are very flexible and adjust to their surroundings better than adults. Your DS may not be the outgoing leader of the class - he may keep to himself and work quietly - but that is his own version of success.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by oceanbaby View Post
Unfortunately I don't know who the teacher will be yet. When I took the initial tour, I talked with the principal briefly afterwards about the idea of talking to the teacher about my child and she was pretty dismissive of the idea, saying they wouldn't know until the last minute who the teacher would be. I think it's a bunch of baloney, and they just say that because parents want to request certain teachers and switch around.

I am going to go down there next week to find out who the teacher is, and see if she's around.

I don't know - as a homeschooler, this whole concept is so foreign to me. I just can't imagine how this is going to work.
For me, spending more time at the school has been really helpful. I also have a friend who teaches KG and she gave me some good tips about how to interact with the teacher. I'm a professor so I have a lot of teaching experience and frankly, a big ego. My friend said that many teachers would be leary of parents coming in with big plans to take over teaching the class, etc., so I volunteered to do whatever was necessary - cutting out shapes or helping with reading groups. I've done some of both and lots of other things as well. Once the teacher knows I'm going to be there every week and I'm responsible, I've generally been granted more freedom with what I do with the kids.

Being in the classroom has helped me understand so much of what goes on at school. For example, most six year olds have trouble getting their thoughts out coherently. Our son's KG and 1st grade teachers did lots of work helping teach the kids how to express their thoughts, verbally and in writing. Even in 1st grade, tons of kids raise their hand and then no longer remember what they wanted to say (if they actually had something to say to begin with - lots of kids just like raising their hands). I don't think a single kid got through KG without crying at least once. Kids this age don't get through a week without crying very often so crying at school just wasn't seen as particularly abnormal. Not that there was tons of crying, but I never saw another kid make fun of someone who was upset, which is what would have bothered me.

I remember gym class as being especially grim and the teacher counting how many push-ups people could do, stuff like that. My son's gym class is nothing like that. His gym teacher does amazing stuff, he really *learns* things in gym class, as well as getting exercise.

Oh, and my teacher friend also tips me off about when they get their class lists. They definitely do not have them yet. There is so much flux with people moving over the summer that a lot of principals feel like they would just have to re-do all the class lists if they made them in May.

Anyway, I have sure been ready to be worried about school, but it has mostly been not just ok but really great. Our son is a little under-challenged but that would probably be the case for this particular kid almost anywhere. His sensitive soul is being well cared for, which is more important to me anyway. Give the school a chance. Almost every single time I've been ready to go in there gangbusters mad about something, I have been wrong, wrong, wrong.
post #11 of 21
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I need some reassurance. My kids are starting school for the first time, and I am particularly worried about my 6yo.

Both of my children are sweet and sensitive, as pretty much all kids are, but my younger son is much more of a delicate soul in some ways than my older son. Ds2 gets overwhelmed with too much noise and chaos. He gets really upset with being timed or racing or other competition. He is slow in getting his words out, but usually has something important to say, and gets really upset and hurt when someone cuts him off or stops listening before he's done. He doesn't like being rushed - he concentrates really hard on what he's working on, and gets very frustrated if he's forced to stop before he's finished. He's a dreamer, often singing to himself and just lying in the grass watching the bugs or the clouds.

He's taken classes and done summer day camps and does just fine. But those have all been hand selected by me, and are all for fun, without any pressure. It's not like he can't handle instruction or freaks out from loud noises, but I just can't imagine him thriving day in and day out in a regimented, competitive situation.

My older son thrives in noise and chaos, loves competition, rolls with the punches and just generally functions better in what I imagine a typical public school classroom will be like. But I am so nervous for ds2. I just can't picture him dealing well with being in the middle of a project and the bell ringing. Or teachers have "just for fun" competitions. Or him having an important question about what he's supposed to do but the teacher not having time to listen to him explain. Or 15 minute recesses when everyone races to get a game started and then is hyped up to get their turn before it's over. These are the kind of situations that freak him out.

I wish he was going to a sweet little private school, but we just can't afford it, and I'm worried about his little delicate soul.
ds2 sounds just like me. I went to public school. While I survived I did have some really crappy experiences and over all I'd say I was bored and didn't really fit in. I would have done much better in an environment where I could learn at my own pace, on subjects I didn't care about I barely survived while I excelled on stuff I loved. I spent a lot of time outside of school learning things that interested me but that they didn't cover.
post #12 of 21
One of my dd's is sweet and quite sensitive. I have to say that overall, she's bloomed in public school. I can count on one had the number of problems that have arisen based on her sensitivity, and mostly they've been learning experiences for her.

In our school, the teachers for the grade the kids are finishing make the assignments for the next year. In one case I did go talk to her very good, very understanding 1st grade teacher. There was one 2nd grade teacher who was pretty abrasive (my much tougher older dd had her), and I knew the younger one would be in tears on a weekly basis if she had her. The 1st grade teacher was already on top of the situation and had dd slated for a different teacher's class.
post #13 of 21

Our School

There are about 200 kids at the public school that DD attended last year. Every teacher at that school knew the name of every student. I found the school to be an extremely kind and supportive environment.

DD is extremely quiet in busy environments. She is very sensitive to strong emotions. She still talks about the teacher at her Montessori preschool who used a mean voice, and that was three years ago.

She loved public school though.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
I just got a call from the Principal of the school. I had put in a letter requesting a certain teacher for ds2 - I don't know the other teachers, but my neighbor's son had been in Ms. S's class, and I knew her to be a young, sweet person, so I requested her. The Principal told me that they were taking my letter into consideration, but that there are going to be a few "live wire" kids in Ms. S's class this year, so they are going to place my ds in a different classroom. I don't know anything about the other teacher (she's been there quite awhile) - the Principal talked about how she maintains a calm classroom. I hope she didn't misinterpret what I was trying to say . . . "calm" in my mind invokes kind of a hard core teacher.

Aaah. I guess I just have to trust they know what they are doing.
post #15 of 21
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- the Principal talked about how she maintains a calm classroom.
My sweet, sensitive dd prefers the more experienced, "tougher" on discipline teachers for just this reason. They still recognize how sweet and sensitive dd is , but the more orderly classroom allows dd space to work in peace.
post #16 of 21
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My sweet, sensitive dd prefers the more experienced, "tougher" on discipline teachers for just this reason. They still recognize how sweet and sensitive dd is , but the more orderly classroom allows dd space to work in peace.
Agreed! My DS does, too. I think part of it is that he is definitely a rule follower, and rarely gets in trouble (in school ). It is psychologically easier for him to be in a classroom where consequences are enforced consistently for the kids who do misbehave. Otherwise he spends an inordinate amount of time stressing out over the unfairness of it all.
post #17 of 21
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My sweet, sensitive dd prefers the more experienced, "tougher" on discipline teachers for just this reason. They still recognize how sweet and sensitive dd is , but the more orderly classroom allows dd space to work in peace.
agreed.

My DD has special needs but is mainstreamed and does MUCH better with experienced teachers who can keep order. Just because a teacher won't put up with nonsense doesn't mean they aren't nice! My DD also commented that one of her teachers (who has a reputation for being very tough) really liked her. The teacher gave the kids a lot of positiver feedback for doing the right things.

Young sweet teacher + a couple of wild kids = classroom out of control
post #18 of 21
I agree with some of the pp. Calm can be very good. Some of the best teachers my sensitive kid has had maintain calm classrooms.
post #19 of 21
Also, it sounds like the principal and teachers were trying hard to get the right fit for his temperament, which is great, great, great! And it seems very positive that he called and explained it to you.

Good luck
Heather
post #20 of 21
I agree - it sounds like you are off to a good start. The principal should have the overview and it's a great sign that you got a phone call and an explanation. My son's KG teacher had a calm environment because she was in control of the class. That actually meant she could do a lot more differentiation and have more different and interesting things going on at once. Hope it works out!
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