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Could you continue to work your job if your husband/partner worked 7 am to 6 or 7 pm Monday - Friday, got only two weeks vacation, never used sick leave, never used comp time, and did not and would not take paternity leave?

And you had no help from family or inlaws?

What if the above situation could not change and had been going on for years? What if your husband said his job was static and he was not interested in changing a thing but he could help you "balance" two careers and family by loading and unloading the dishwasher, helping sometimes with laundry, and dropping off or picking up your child from daycare twice a week, but working even later to make up the time for those schedule changes?

What would you say or do?

Would you continue to work? How would you do it?
post #2 of 30
In that situation, I would have to seek a different, higher-paying job so as to pay for the childcare and household help to make it work.

ETA: in fact, my husband is just starting a new job that is similar to your description. Although we have more family support than you do, plus we get along much better than you and your husband get along, I am in fact expecting to seek a higher-paying job later this year for exactly that reason.
post #3 of 30
That reminds me, if you are considering looking for a different job, the Chronicle of Higher Education message boards have a "leaving academia" subforum where you might be able to get some ideas about transferring your skills.
post #4 of 30
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That reminds me, if you are considering looking for a different job, the Chronicle of Higher Education message boards have a "leaving academia" subforum where you might be able to get some ideas about transferring your skills.
Thanks.

DH and I probably could get along if he offered more help or support. I mean, we're a few years into the trouble in our marriage now and he's said and done some things I don't know if I could forget at this point, but all along he's said them out of being stressed because he doesn't want to change or he feels he can't change.

The scenario below - the loading the dishwasher and transferring hours around during the week (working until 9 pm instead of 7 pm) so he can do a pick-up from daycare or two is his BIG offer. That's his big compromise.

Ugh. It is just not enough.

Yeah, I'm probably going to have to start getting serious (I already am...just haven't found anything) about a new job. It's always me who finds the solutions in our marriage and improves things. Never him. Like I said, I found him this job he has now, applied for it for him, and this is the best job he's ever had. It's always been me alone doing all this. Crazy.

I just looked for jobs for myself yesterday. Nothing much. I typically scan the job listings 2-3 times a week. Something has to come up.
post #5 of 30
That's why I suggested the CHE boards-- they might be able to help you come up with other kinds of jobs you could apply for with your skills.
post #6 of 30
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Originally Posted by That Is Nice View Post
Could you continue to work your job if your husband/partner worked 7 am to 6 or 7 pm Monday - Friday, got only two weeks vacation, never used sick leave, never used comp time, and did not and would not take paternity leave?

And you had no help from family or inlaws?

What if the above situation could not change and had been going on for years? What if your husband said his job was static and he was not interested in changing a thing but he could help you "balance" two careers and family by loading and unloading the dishwasher, helping sometimes with laundry, and dropping off or picking up your child from daycare twice a week, but working even later to make up the time for those schedule changes?

What would you say or do?

Would you continue to work? How would you do it?
We do it. My husband's work schedule most days is: start work around 9:30, work until 10 or 11 at night. He HAS to work 'til 5:30 but the reality is it just doesn't stop.

He can have dinner with us at the table maybe 3 times a week (45 min-hr break) but he really isn't able to prepare it (he does clear his plate as does everyone ). However we'll sometimes go and eat downstairs next to his office so he eats at his desk and we can all kind of hear each other.

Most nights he carves out 15 minutes to play with my son just before bed. He works from home 3-4 days a week and all evenings and weekends. So he's physically present.

He does all the breakfast and is totally the go-to parent for everything from waking up to dealing with what the school needs this week. He bikes my son to school as much as possible so as to get a bit of exercise in, and also weekend mornings.

Weekends he usually works at least 2 a month, beginning around 1 or 2 pm and finishing up around 2-3 am on Sat and Sun. Friday night is when they get organized for the weekend.

Other than the last week when we were both supposed to take vacation (I ended up working 2/5 of my vacation days and he was sick-lie-in-bed-deathly-ill for 1 day, and then we had wisely booked a trip AWAY so no one could get us - well we each got phoned twice) he had also worked 7 weeks without a single day off, including weekends. Which is why he got sick, IMO.

Yes, he's insane and so is his company (think err, medium-big Blue). And yes, it's unhealthy. He's on a project where they deal with new and current customers during the day and then get the tech work actually done at night when they can take systems off line. He does NOT get paid overtime. If he did, we would hire sooooo much help.

I could go into a great rant about it, but it's also his personality. Honestly I have been the same way, so I at least get it emotionally. And I think, as sad as it is, we've just kind of - adjusted to the lifestyle.

I do have some help from my parents but it's sporadic and they go away about 4-5 months of the year. We have a great daycare and the only external classes we've done lately are swimming and gymnastics.

How we do it is emotional partnership. I do the bulk of the chores and cooking and shopping but if I'm burning out, he steps in.

There are some compromises we've made. We don't get outside as much as I would like during the week. On weekends we roll early so that we can get a bike ride or a swim in (10 am swim, yay) before his work takes over. I do the bulk of the cleaning, but I have a system down that means our house is NEVER "perfect" but each area gets attention at least once a month. However we have a junk room, a messy as heck back yard and overgrown front garden, and car maintenance is blah. We have some house projects that need to be done.

I do financial stuff at night while I'm poking around MDC etc. My job has suffered some because I can't work the weekend if my husband is, but oh well.

We're rarely on time with Xmas cards.
post #7 of 30
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Could you continue to work your job if your husband/partner worked 7 am to 6 or 7 pm Monday - Friday, got only two weeks vacation, never used sick leave, never used comp time, and did not and would not take paternity leave?
Sure. I'm sure single parents do it all the time!

I'm not single, and I wouldn't like that situation because *I* wouldn't see him much, not to mention my child. But it's technically doable. It wouldn't work very well with most daycare centers, but it could work just fine with a nanny or a sitter.
post #8 of 30
For years DH was an over the road trucker so we did WEEKS without him home. Some of the time I was a SAHM other times I took on jobs that worked with my kids, ones where I could take them with or childcare was provided as a benefit. We is mostly a SAHD right now (although he is working very PT helping a friend ATM) if he worked weird or long hours my kids would go to daycare that is provided by my employer so I guess it would work ok.

If he did work long hours though or was over the road again I couldn't go to school fulltime AND work though, that wouldn't jive very well for us. I mean, I guess I could technically do it but it would be more stressfull than what I'd be comfortable with and wouldn't do it as a choice.
post #9 of 30
If what you are trying to figure out is whether you are underpaid, TiN-- from your descriptions of what your job entails, and your descriptions of what you can afford as far as housing and childcare, yes, you are underpaid. Someone with a job like yours and no SAH spouse really needs a nanny, for example.
post #10 of 30
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If what you are trying to figure out is whether you are underpaid, TiN-- from your descriptions of what your job entails, and your descriptions of what you can afford as far as housing and childcare, yes, you are underpaid. Someone with a job like yours and no SAH spouse really needs a nanny, for example.
Well, but most people in academia are underpaid. I think I read something just the other day - I wish I could find the link or source - that said one of the worst things to go into as far as advanced degrees, responsibilities, and pay was academia and research. My field!

I think it was one of those surveys of what jobs are high paying with just a high school degree, or something like that.

I mean, my boss travels a ton more than me, has a PhD, is smarter than smart, has like 25 years experience, and makes in the $50k range. He works a lot, travels a lot, and yeah, he's very underpaid in my opinion.
post #11 of 30
If your DH's job is anything like mine, then the "comp time" is purely theoretical, I never get to take mine.

Yes, people do manage to live with the situation, believe it or not that is reality for most of us. The problem with your DH not taking his share of the domestic duties is the issue. At least among the people I know, both partners working full time/even more than full time is what you need to do to get by.
post #12 of 30
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If your DH's job is anything like mine, then the "comp time" is purely theoretical, I never get to take mine.

Yes, people do manage to live with the situation, believe it or not that is reality for most of us. The problem with your DH not taking his share of the domestic duties is the issue. At least among the people I know, both partners working full time/even more than full time is what you need to do to get by.
That's true enough. DH's job is one where comp time is definitely theoretical. Until someone and then someone else and then other employees start making it a different culture.

And DH could find a different job, if it were a priority for him. It's not, obviously.

Yes, you hit it exactly. DH needs to choose one of these:

1) we both work, and we both share domestic responsiblities equally, including time off to do said responsiblities. This would be a problem for DH. He would need a different job, or need to sleep less, or need to rearrange his schedule or something.

2) we decide that one of us will stay home and one of us will work. A while back a $70k job came up that required my degree but wasn't exactly in my field. But it was something I could probably do, but it required A LOT of travel and meetings. I said I'd apply and if I got it, DH would then stay home, right? Hell to the NO. He's never doing that. He'd feel emasculated. He'd worry about not being able to get back into his career. He said it was hard enough for him to break into the market to begin with he's not taking any chances. So ironic. He won't let me stay home and he won't do it himself.

3) we divorce amicably because he won't change. he does what he can to make things as good as possible, and supports us so that the quality of life doesn't have to change so drastically for my son. (I know the chances of this happening are less than realistic, but it seems like the third option if DH can't do either 1 or 2).

Right now, I feel that DH is taking advantage of me and the only side effect for him is that I'm unhappy and tired, both things he is willing to live with.
post #13 of 30
in my field its pretty flex so i can do 40 hous fri night to sun night if i wanted to. i work in home caring for 2 autistic women fri, sat and sun and i do oncall overnights for another agency.
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post #14 of 30
You know quite well that your DH isn't going to choose any of those 3 things.

And yes, academia is very underpaid. I'm there too. Hence, again, my suggestion for looking elsewhere.

I'll put it out there that I am about to look for an entry-level financial sales job, sometime in the next few months. That-- at entry level!-- still pays better than anything I could do with my actual degrees.
post #15 of 30
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A while back a $70k job came up that required my degree but wasn't exactly in my field. But it was something I could probably do, but it required A LOT of travel and meetings. I said I'd apply and if I got it, DH would then stay home, right? Hell to the NO.
But him quitting his job completely would mean a drastic drop in income for your family, even with $70k from you, no? I'm not sure I blame him for not wanting to do that.

I do blame him for not sharing equally, though. Best case of course (IMO) would be for no one to quit their jobs. You would take the higher-paying job and he'd either pitch in when appropriate, or you'd pay for better-quality childcare that would help cover times when you're out of town and he's at work.
post #16 of 30
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But him quitting his job completely would mean a drastic drop in income for your family, even with $70k from you, no? I'm not sure I blame him for not wanting to do that.


Uh, no. DH doesn't make that much. He's a putz. He has a good degree, very marketable, but he's not a go-getter. He works all these crazy hours and never takes vacation, but if I got that job, I'd make more than he does and have better benefits.

A lot of men we know (or rather half of couples we know) have DH's same degree and they have consistently earned more. Their wives are all SAHMs. DH has never been promoted. Not once. Not in 13 long years.

You know, I honestly couldn't tell you if DH is actually "working" during his long days at work. I think part of it is work, part is slacking off, and part of it is doing things he enjoys. He does a good enough job, and he's not going to get fired, and I'm pretty sure some of the time he legitamately does have to work late. But I also think some of it is DH's down time. You know, away from the old ball and chain, the wife and kid.

We're struggling for a reason...
post #17 of 30
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What if the above situation could not change and had been going on for years?
Honestly? Under circumstances like that I would conclude that I was no longer in a partnership and would seek to dissolve it! I'd sure-as-shootin' hang on to my job and find a way to make it work as a single parent.

Can I ask what you are looking for with this post? I've read a lot of your posts. Do you need validation that you are sitting in unfair circumstances? That you're not selfish? Is the help he's offering enough for you? Frankly I'd want him to take complete responsibility for some area -laundry, shopping, dishes etc.
post #18 of 30
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Honestly? Under circumstances like that I would conclude that I was no longer in a partnership and would seek to dissolve it! I'd sure-as-shootin' hang on to my job and find a way to make it work as a single parent.

Can I ask what you are looking for with this post? I've read a lot of your posts. Do you need validation that you are sitting in unfair circumstances? That you're not selfish? Is the help he's offering enough for you? Frankly I'd want him to take complete responsibility for some area -laundry, shopping, dishes etc.
Well, sort of. Yeah. I mean, am I unreasonable in my expectations?

I hear daily from H that I am unreasonable. That I expect the impossible. That my expectations are too high. That I have no right to expect this or demand this.

When I point out other people we know who do it another way, or conversations I've had with them, DH says, well, good for them, they have cushy jobs or rich parents or x, y, or z. He will say "my parents aren't rich, don't expect them to do anything" (mean while they are visiting and doing a lot for his brother's family when his brother makes more money than us). DH will say he can't get another job and that the situation is static.

DH will say I don't do enough.

I don't work enough. I don't manage my time right. I don't have a hard job, like his. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I hear that all the time. DH will say why can't you stop at the grocery store after picking up from daycare? Then come home from work, throw in a load of laundry, make dinner, and clean up a bit?

Actually, it was sort of funny and ironic. I took DH to work with me two weeks ago because I needed his help carrying something for a presentation I was giving. DH works in an office environment in an office park with parking right next to his building. I work in a downtown setting where there is no parking and about a 1/2 mile walk and lots of hills to get to and from my office. We parked the car and started the walk, and about 50 yards in, DH was panting and sweating and saying "how much longer?? this is killing me?? man, how do you do this everyday." When we got to the last hill, he was like 25 feet behind me telling me to slow down. Needless to say, when we got to the building, DH was asking "where is the elevator? no way am I taking the stairs."

I just looked back at him and said, now do you see one reason I can't run to pick up DS from daycare, get groceries, come home and throw in loads of laundry??

It's not just the logistics. It's also the mental burn out from work. DH and his ADHD and short memory and lack of connection won't remember the hills next time we run out of clean laundry though.
post #19 of 30
Ok - let me revise my last post.

This Is Nice - you've got a lot of threads posted asking for perspective - what' normal, what would you think, what would you do? It's always good to get some validation.

But I think you really need to ask yourself - What do YOU think? What do you really think about your circumstances? It doesn't really matter what I would do about any job, situation or when I would leave my DH, what my in-laws or parents do for me vs. siblings.

Can you leave out all of the conflicting messages society gives you: "stand by your man," "make enough to support yourself," "don't be dependent" "do be the best mother" "take care of the house - laundry, cooking, cleaning," "give the best to your children, not your employer-" Whatever it is that society is sending.

Just let all of that go for a moment and look inside for your own answers.

Is the job really the problem? Is it the salary? How much of an issue is DH? What you can you live with - absent what you "think" should be OK? What does your heart say, not your head?

This is something I'm working on myself right now. My DH is extremely difficult to live with. In part I think because of anxiety and OCD. In my ideal world I think we'd live in a duplex where we each had our own space, but stayed married. Doesn't matter what society thinks, I just think that would work for us.
post #20 of 30
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Well, sort of. Yeah. I mean, am I unreasonable in my expectations?
We cross-posted!

HECK NO, sister! But what do you think?

I'm telling you that you have to get clear that your expectations aren't unreasonable no matter WHAT anyone else says. 'Cause we on the boards will convince you you're right and then DH is just going to convince you that you're wrong. Look inside and KNOW what you want. Listen to your heart.
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