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"Too busy to EC"

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I haven't said these words yet, but I've been thinking them!

There's not enough hours in the day to get everything done, never mind remembering (then doing) EC'ing two under two (2 and 22 months).

My "plan" to have a diaperless baby has COMPLETELY gone out the window. We do cloth (prefold/snappi) at home during the day, but it's miss after miss after miss. Some of it does go in the potty, and he often will eliminate on cue (which my daughter NEVER did), but it's taking up SO much time that I don't have.

How do you busy moms do it? And what are your success stories (ie. if you did p/t ec, when were your kids out of diapers and miss free)?
post #2 of 13
i feel you lol DD was telling me every time she had to go and everything then PPD kick in bad and i had a little breakdown then EC went out the window...
we just do it PT now...
no advice really just wanted to say it happens
post #3 of 13
I can tell you that we do not even come close to trying to catch every pee w/ dd2. In fact, she barely gets pottied outside of regular diaper changes. If she is fussing or we really think that she might need to pee or poop, then we will take her right away, but otherwise.. Right now most of the focus has been going to dd1 b/c she is in the process of graduating & is almost there. She, however, is 27mos, not 22. We are def more part time w/ dd2 & our goal is poop catches. We never expected to have a diaperless baby. That is how we do it w/ 2
post #4 of 13
i part-time and late-start EC'd both my older two. well, my second child (my boy) i kept in a coverless diaper and changed right away until he was about 4 months old, then started occasionally offering the potty like upon waking, then around 6 months did it more consistently but still always used diapers and had many, many wet diapers to wash at the end of each week. my oldest i didn't start with until 9 months old, and until she was about 12 months only did wake-up pee and potty whenever i had to go or if she was really telling me (which she sometimes did, crawled over to potty and grabbed it, etc. but not consistently by any means). DD1 was completely miss-free at 27 months (one month after DS was born). DS was a little different, he could tell me pretty consistently from an earlier age (like 21 or 22 months) and i could catch most of the rest, but still had a good number of misses whenever i tried to let him take over until he was about 30 months (like some weeks as much as 5-10, though other weeks were only 2-5. though we did have miss-free weeks when i offered a lot, he was not IMO a 'graduate' until 30 months). both were 100% consistent with poo around 15 months.

i think p/t EC is really awesome. i don't think there's any way my DS would've been independent at 30 months otherwise, he's the kind of kid who gets really absorbed in stuff, would wander off following a butterfly, and definitely relied more heavily on me/timing to catch but i think it worked out great in the end. i had no preconceived notions of what i was going to do with baby#3, sort of assumed i'd do it like the other two. but she was sooooo obvious and signalled almost 100% from the beginning, it seemed idiotic to ignore her so we just went with it. but she really EC'd herself - i just had to help her get to the potty until she was physically able to do it herself. and i mean she was like 15 months old when she 'graduated.' i finally sold her trainers when she was 19 months old... i'd been holding onto them waiting for the strike to hit LOL i doubt i would've full-time EC'd otherwise.

my best EC advice for anyone and everyone is to just do what you can. don't stress, don't worry, don't feel bad. try to let it become a natural part of your life, try to work it into the thread of daily living where it makes sense. i'm 100% convinced that *any* awareness that is kept/gained when it comes to elimination is a positive thing. even though i was very laid back with EC'ing my oldest two, we never had to "potty train" - eventually they just got it, i offered less as they initiated more, it was a really peaceful and pleasant transition with no stress. though i've never accomplished CLW (gentle MLW at 3 and 3.5), accounts i've read remind me of the EC process in that gradual, natural way in which it all occurs. i definitely had those moments "when was the last time i offered the potty? it's been 2 weeks!!"

I EC to enhance my connection with my kids and to make our lives easier. not harder. the last thing i need is one more stress in my life. EC made me a better, more attentive parent, and in the process helped keep my kids clean and aware. if it's not doing that for you, then try to assess why, and try to see if it can be. if you don't feel it can be for whatever reason, then think about taking a break or stopping entirely

one suggestion i have, though, to make it a little easier, is to just offer the baby the potty whenever your older one has to go or you're offering it to her. that, combined with potty upon waking is *plenty* and hopefully wouldn't feel like too much extra work since you're there doing the potty anyway

also, when i knew i wasn't going to be trying to catch for a while (in a store, in the car, cooking dinner, stressed and overwhelmed... whatever...) i told my baby "mommy can't potty you for the next XX time, so if you need to go, it's OK to do it in your diaper and i'll change you as soon as I can." this way i felt i was still respecting her and communicating with her. and if she signalled i reminded her, "it's OK to pee in your diaper and i'll change you in just one minute honey." and then make the 'pssssss' sound to help her relax enough to go. during those times i also sometimes used a pocket dipe so she wouldn't feel uncomfortable if i knew it'd be a little while till we could get to a place where i could change her (like the parking lot, in the grocery store example).

HTH!
post #5 of 13
my kids have a much bigger age gap (4 1/2 years) but I am a full time grad student and I have only done EC p/t. In fact, I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't ready Gross-Loh's book on a whim at the library and she is really clear that p/t is just fine.

DD has slowly gone from a few catches a day to a few to no misses a day. She wears a diaper backup most of the time, though at home is bare-bum more often. At 15m she has a few miss-free days per week, and has started telling me when she has to go potty, and has started taking herself to the potty. But we still have misses (there were 3 yesterday- though she also told me while we were in the pool that she had to go and- I think- waited until we got to the bathroom and took off her suit). She is dry at night almost always- maybe once every 2 weeks wakes up wet. And that is probably more that I didn't wake up promptly in the morning- silly me. Oh, and she knows the potty sign and has separate words for pee and poo (she has never responded much to my cues so I mostly stopped doing them).

My advice would be not to let it become a chore, or a way you measure yourself, and not to feel bad about the wet diapers. I get going on that-- and then when I am doing the diaper wash and hang up 16 diapers for 5 days I think: hey, thats not many. I easily had that in 2-3 days when DS was little. What I mean to say I guess is to focus on the positives and don't worry one bit if baby pees in diapers.

And YES! Potty baby when you or older sib is pottying. And when baby awakens. If you *just* did that you'd likely have a couple catches a day, and that is great!
post #6 of 13
I didn't even remotely consider trying to catch all the pees when my dd was a newborn. Well, I thought I would before she was born, but when she was actually here, I didn't! My goal was one catch a day at that age. I kind of went more full time when she hit 2.5 or 3 months but otherwise didn't try to catch everything. Especially pees!
post #7 of 13
DS is six months, and we're quite part-time - always with CD backup.

I started this a couple of months ago because DS has incredibly sensitive skin and I wanted to keep as much off his skin as possible.

I'm amazed how well it works. Not only does he seem to prefer the potty, especially after the copious morning pees, but he almost always poops on the potty. I don't have any plans at this point to go diaper-free with him - *I* am just not on the ball enough to catch the signals - but we've progressed from a couple of pees on the potty each day to quite a few, and now when we're out, he'll use a toilet if I hold him. Some days are better than others, and that's just fine with me - it's all a success!
post #8 of 13
Remember that ECing gets a bit easier when they can sit alone. Plus your older LO is likely to take charge more herself soon.

What I'd do at this point, since the baby is still eliminating all the time, is just EC the baby and every 3rd time or so, ask if the toddler has to go.

And since he'll go on cue, play around with timing. Offer once an hour or whatever doesn't make you more crazy than changing diapers. Or offer at set events, before going into the sling, after waking up from a nap, that kind of thing.

Pretty soon the elimination will space out more and he'll start to hold it more. Using diaper back up is fine, I bet even in diaperless cultures they've got days where they just throw in the towel and set the baby outside in the grass so they don't have to deal with poop and pee in the house.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your replies!

My older child (now 23 months) has been taking herself to the potty for a couple months now, and we haven't had a miss in quite some time. She has almost completely regressed though for 2-3 weeks now. We still have the occasional catch, but more often it's pee on the floor (and lately poop too), and refusal to wear diapers (we've switched to pullups when out of the house, and gerbers at home). She's been in a wet gerber for about an hour now and hasn't shown any signs of being uncomfortable. She used to go clean up the pee herself, but now just pees on the floor then wanders off.

This thread was more about my newborn though, and how EC'ing two children full time (one of them being 10 weeks old) is CHALLENGING. There's no questions though, that right now, more of his eliminations go into the potty... When I'm in the mood.

I'm just tired. I'll sense a pee or a poop coming, and I'll just be like "Are you going to poop?" Then I'll wait for it, and cue it in his diaper, then immediately change him.

I think I will try to get him on more of a schedule (potty upon waking up, before/after the sling, etc), but I'm lost on ideas where my daughter is concerned.

How do you handle regression, besides just keep doing what we've been doing?

I'm TIRED.
post #10 of 13
((((HUGS)))))

i know, parenting can just be so utterly exhausting. EC or not. what got me when my second was born (they are 26 months apart) was the nursing. my oldest wanted to nurse every time the baby did, practically, and i was just so sleep-deprived and physically and emotionally drained. the first 6 months felt like 6 years. but wow, once the baby was about 6 months old, life got soooo much better! so hang in there, mama!

i will say that a late regression like that is often the last hurdle before 100% independence. when i read that i thought "ooh, she's almost a full-blown graduate! yay!" and also very normal with a new baby in the house. i'd just keep doing things how you've been doing them wrt her, and it'll work itself out.

i think the idea of timing based on events is awesome - we did a lot of that, before and after naps and slings and getting in the car and such. also, if you are signaling him before he goes in his diaper you are totally EC'ing, girl, so don't sweat it! it doesn't have to go in the potty, you are communicating with him and y'all have plenty of time work out the finer details, which will come more naturally and easily as he gets a bit bigger and spaces out his eliminations more, and your DD graduates.

in the near future this time period will seem like a fuzzy, vague dream. seriously. you're doing great!
post #11 of 13
2-3 weeks? So right about the time the excitement over the new baby changed to "you mean we're keeping him? ah man."?

Are you getting her engaged in doing stuff with the baby (primary way to avoid sibling rivalry) and also getting her time alone with you (second way)?
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
2-3 weeks? So right about the time the excitement over the new baby changed to "you mean we're keeping him? ah man."?

Are you getting her engaged in doing stuff with the baby (primary way to avoid sibling rivalry) and also getting her time alone with you (second way)?
I do both. She loves babies and is VERY gentle with them, so I wasn't surprised that there wasn't even a hint of jealousy or "rivalry" when he was born. That's not to say that she might feel somewhat left out when I have to tend to his needs during a time when she wants attention.

It's just hard. You're all awesome for your support!!
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by sgmom View Post
I do both. She loves babies and is VERY gentle with them, so I wasn't surprised that there wasn't even a hint of jealousy or "rivalry" when he was born. That's not to say that she might feel somewhat left out when I have to tend to his needs during a time when she wants attention.

It's just hard. You're all awesome for your support!!
Good, I figured you were doing all that. Doesn't necessarily help the little toddler lizard brain accept that there's room for every one in the family, but no parent, however good, can counteract toddler froot loopdom.

: for you.
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