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When does it get better?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I have a 1-year-old daughter who has always been a bad sleeper. She has always hated falling asleep and has been really bad at staying asleep. She slept best around 3 or 4 months old when she would only wake up twice a night for a feed and then go straight back to sleep. After that it got worse and worse until she was waking and crying every 45 minutes around 5 or 6 months. At that time she finally took to falling asleep at the breast, which has made going to sleep and resettling so much more peaceful. (Before then she would suck for a bit, but didn't want any milk so started screaming. There was a lot of screaming and rocking in the first few months.) She then got a bit better and has been waking roughly every 2 hours for the last 6 months. Now, on a good night she will wake every 2 hours, have a quick feed in bed with me and fall asleep again, then I put her back in her bed (next to ours). On a bad night it will be more frequent or she will have trouble going back to sleep in between.

Before you ask, she does not sleep any better if she stays in the bed with me. I've tried that whenever my husband's been away. There isn't enough room in our bed for all of us, or more to the point, I can't sleep when she's right up close or feeding. (I'm not naturally a bed-sharer. My husband and I even have separate doonas.)

My son (nearly 3) was also a bad sleeper, but nowhere near as bad as my daughter. He stopped needing to be nursed to sleep and to have night feeds at sometime around 11 months (He would have cuddles instead to resettle). He usually only woke 2 or 3 times at his worst. He started sleeping a lot better around 18 months when he went into a toddler bed in his own room. By 2 he was sleeping through the night most nights without needing me to sit next to his bed to resettle (which is what I had to do for a while).

I am very very tired and exhausted. I cope reasonably well when she has good nights for a while (ie. when I'm ONLY up every 2 hours) but she's been a bit worse again lately and my son's been sick too. I just thought that she would have started sleeping a little bit longer stretches by now. I'm really worried, given that she is so much worse than my son ever was, that she is going to take a lot longer before she is going to start sleeping longer stretches, let along sleep through the night.

Anyway, my question is: For those of you who have had similarly bad sleepers, when did they start sleeping for longer stretches? When did it start to get easier?

I don't want to do anything drastic to make her sleep. I don't have the energy for night-weaning or anything like that. We are also moving overseas in 6 weeks, so I don't want to change anything too much now. Because at least I know that I can get her back to sleep with breast-feeding, which should help a lot with the long plane flight and settling into a new home. But I'm also a bit worried about how I'm going to cope with the move given that I'm running on empty as it is.

Your experiences, thought and encouragements would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Juli
post #2 of 10
I wish I had some advice for you, but I am in the same boat. I know how hard it is to function while sleep deprived. Is there anyway to get some sleep in the short term with DP's help or a babysitter/mother's helper to play with your baby so you can nap or something? It seems like you need to make it through the move and then deal with different strategies. And it seems like making it through the move requires some sleep.
post #3 of 10
For us it didn't get better until I nightweaned at 19 months and moved DS to his own bed with Daddy handling wakeups. He still wakes up about 1-2 times a night, and he will be 2 in a couple weeks.
post #4 of 10
Sleep has also been a big challenge with my DD, who is now 22 months. The sleep patterns that you describe with your DD sound similar to what I've experienced with mine.

We've tried so many different things, but the changes (for the better or the worse) have always been sort of spontaneous and inexplicable. I think things just happen in her brain (and her teeth) and her sleep changes, and what we do as parents is more about coping than about guidance. So I've sort of shifted my focus to figuring out how to get my own sleep needs met while I'm waiting for her neurological development to progress!

We noticed a big change at around 18 months. She had NEVER slept through the night before. And then in the span of 1 week she slept from 10:00 pm to 5:00 am twice. Whoa. It was amazing. At 20 months some things shifted again. She now goes down to bed later, and it takes forever, but many nights once she's asleep she doesn't wake up until sometime between 4:30-6:00, and I can nurse her back to sleep and she'll stay asleep until 8:00 am or longer if we let her.

Of course, nothing is perfect or predictable, even at this stage. Last night, for instance, she was awake at 1:30 and I had to nurse her down, and then when she woke up at 4:45 it took forever to get her back to sleep (nursing multiple times on both sides).

Hang in there, Mama. I honestly think sleep deprivation is the hardest part of being a parent. But things do get better over time. Your babe will grow and sleep will come.
post #5 of 10
A lot of people see good changes when the first phase of teething is over with (around 2). I couldn't last that long so for us stopping nursing at every waking was a game changer. Not quite nightweaning (although that sealed the deal) but no longer nursing immediately at every waking. That got us to a more manageable point. And then weaning (months later) got us to good sleep and the magical age of 4 combined with a full sized bed got us fantastic (STTN in his own bed) sleep.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the encouragement everybody.

Catie, how did he cope with the night-weaning. Was it horrible? Did he settle down again quickly for your husband? My husband is willing to take over nights, but the problem is that he is such a solid sleeper, he doesn't normally wake up when she's crying. Also, I don't think I could go all night without feeding her at the moment - I would burst half way through the night.

D_McG - How did you manage not nursing at every night waking. If I try that she just ends up screaming. And I don't think it's got anything to do with teething, as she has only just now got her first tooth and she's always been terrible at sleeping.

CI Mama - Thanks, that is kind of what I'm hoping for, that things will just gradually get better without me having to force her into anything. This is what happened with my son. I'm just really worried that she won't get any better until she's old enough to be reasoned with, given that there has been no improvement at all thus far.

If only I knew what lies ahead. If I knew she was gradually going to get better I would hang in there, do what I'm doing, and wait it out. But if I knew she was not going to improve at all over the next year or so on her own I would probably bite the bullet and break the sleep-feed-association. Oh what to do....
post #7 of 10
My daughter was the worst sleep ever until the age of four. Then almost over night she became a great sleeper (with us not doing or changing anything to make it happen). She still co-sleeps with me now and she goes to bed with no arguments, falls asleep fast, and stays asleep all night.

She never did nap lol.

I don't say 4 to discourage you (because I remember how terrible the little/no sleep thing is). I just wanted to mention it in case you don't see any changes after nightweaning and the baby teeth come in. We were told that would solve most of our dd's sleep issues and honestly, in her case it had nothing to do with it. There is eventually a light at the end of the tunnel.

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D_McG - How did you manage not nursing at every night waking. If I try that she just ends up screaming. And I don't think it's got anything to do with teething, as she has only just now got her first tooth and she's always been terrible at sleeping./QUOTE]

I would sing first, then nurse if after the song she wasn't calming down at all. I also sent my husband in if she woke before my bedtime. I sometimes work nights so she was used to him (which is not to say that there weren't a lot of tears the first nights I wasn't there. But they adjusted).
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by JuliMummy View Post

Catie, how did he cope with the night-weaning. Was it horrible? Did he settle down again quickly for your husband? My husband is willing to take over nights, but the problem is that he is such a solid sleeper, he doesn't normally wake up when she's crying. Also, I don't think I could go all night without feeding her at the moment - I would burst half way through the night.
He surprised me and did VERY well with the nightweaning. I used the Dr. Jay Gordon method (you can google) but instead of doing the 10 day method he suggests I took it slower, and for us it took about a month. He didn't cry at all, and I just told him "no more milks, go back to sleep" he would fuss a little and then roll over and go back to sleep. DH slept in another bed during this time. He started sleeping 3-5 hour chunks just with the nightweaning. He did really well with me letting him nurse for a few seconds (10-20) and then unlatching him and telling him to go back to sleep. He had to get used to not getting calories at night. Once he was down to nursing about 2 times a night (and only for about 10 seconds each time) we moved him to his own bed. He did great. Never cried for DH at all, but DH has been putting him to bed at night since he was 9 months old, so that could be why.... He still wakes up 1-2 times a night about half the nights, and STTN the other half. He is also working on 2 year molars now, so I suspect once they are all in (and we're almost there!!!) he will start STTN consistently.
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks everybody for lots of food for thought. I think I'll try getting my husband to settle her again when she wakes up and cries a few times. We'll see how she copes with that. In the long term I'll probably try the Jay Gordon method (or something similarly gentle). We'll get there in the end. I will sleep again....

Thanks again.
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