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post #41 of 144
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I had a traumatic homebirth with ds almost 2 years ago. I was constantly thinking about it and was scared to death this time around (just had my 4th, 12 wks ago).. I did a lot of growth work, writing and EFT to feel 'ok' about even having another child. The pain was so intense, I truly believed I would die right then and there.

The EFT helped. I, too, had a hard time talking about it. My husband didn't get it, said I did a great job,was comforting etc, but you know he doesn't really "get it" if nothing bad happened.. and my best friend at the time had just had a traumatic hbac transfer, c-section, so I felt like I couldnt share with her either. My mom said "Good, maybe that'll keep you from having more kids" so ya.. not being able to share adn process was part of the trauma..

Hugs to you all.
What is EFT?
post #42 of 144
EFT is Emotional Freedom Technique. It's a form of emotional acupressure. You tap on certain points on the body while saying some phrases and it clears the severity of the negative emotions/triggers.

I have used it for a lot of my emotional stuff and it's really awesome.

you can get more info on emofree.com

hth!
post #43 of 144
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Originally Posted by neveryoumindthere View Post
EFT is Emotional Freedom Technique. It's a form of emotional acupressure. You tap on certain points on the body while saying some phrases and it clears the severity of the negative emotions/triggers.

I have used it for a lot of my emotional stuff and it's really awesome.

you can get more info on emofree.com

hth!
Thanks so much for the info! ... I had a traumatic birth experience that I've shared on Mothering, but not in this particular thread. I'll likely update with my story later when I have time.
post #44 of 144
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Originally Posted by liqdsnk2 View Post
Thanks to all who watched my video. If it saves just one moms life I have done my job. I want to start a website with info for women. Not to persuade them not to, but to inform them of what could happen and where to go to get info. I want to include birth stories, questions to ask your midwife that people don't think to ask, who to contact in each state to see if the midwife they are interested in has been found negligent. Signs of infections, and a support group for women who need it. I don't have the time to do it all at them moment but it's on my list of things to do soon! Please PM if you would like more info.

I have received so much slack for sharing my story it's refreshing to meet others who understand. The Drs who treated me sent a letter to the Midwifery council of my state... and they started a large investigation. Thankfully she will not be able to do this to anyone else. I have been searching for other women involved in this but have not had much luck. I know I am not the only one, but I don't think they know there are more women.

I have more to say but need to put the kiddos to bed.

Light & Love

Thank you for sharing your video! I must admit to being a bit confused, maybe I missed a post, but what exactly happened? Was it a mistake made by your mw?
post #45 of 144
First of all to all the moms here . Traumatic birth is traumatic birth no matter where it happens. And to Liz: I just had a really hard cry reading your story and especially seeing those last pictures. It takes real courage to share all of that, and to face reliving it all in trying to bring your MW to justice. My heart goes out to you.

I had planned a home water birth and ended up, after green amniotic fluid and contractions stopped and not dilating AT ALL, transferring to the hospital. Long story short we ended up, after 36 hours total, having an emergency cesarean which at that point was absolutely necessary and, quite honestly, a relief. I am still processing it all and not at all sure why it happened as it did, and all the feelings of inadequacy and failure and whatnot. But for me these two things make a lot of sense:


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Originally Posted by MsBlack View Post
--and we DO need to promote the general understanding that homebirth is not 'perfect', not for all people and not for all situations.



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I think the main thing for many of us is that the natural birth "ideal" gets portrayed as doable for everyone IF (the golden "if") you do X, Y, Z. When the reality doesn't live up to the expectation, the mother gets subjected to a battery of questions to figure out what SHE did wrong to not have the beautiful wonderful experience.
A big part of my emotional pain around the birth is that I had such an ideal picture of what it would/could be, and the utter despair and disappointment that I just was not meant to have that. So much is talked about in the NCB/HB scene that "you can do it", "your body was designed to give birth, you don't need medical help". etc. Which, for the most part, is true. But then those of us whose bodies didn't do it the way it was supposed to happen are left especially baffled and disappointed. I was also very surprised that I actually felt safer in letting go (meaning being VERY loud during contractions) at the hospital than I would have at home. Granted I was at a nationally-renowned baby-friendly hospital where natural birth is top priority and the atmosphere and support there is very conducive to that. I think in the NCB community and in all the books you read it paints a very ideal picture of birth and completely glosses over the fact that it does happen that women need to be transferred to hospital, or worse, and maybe how to best deal with it if it happens to you. It would seem so negative to even mention it. After all, we have an abundance of horror birth stories and the way it's portrayed in the media makes you think it's just going to be a nightmare. So people are trying to tip the scale in the other direction by promoting how beautiful it can be, which is very needed in our society I believe. But you never think it's going to happen to you, that you will be in that minority who just cannot manage a home birth for whatever reason. In a way I was so conditioned to be so anti-hospital birth, that I now have additional emotional baggage because I was so utterly unprepared. Now what?

I'm rambling. But I'm glad this thread is here and we are boldly saying what is somewhat taboo to say: that sometimes homebirth does not work out. Maybe it is wise to consider that before embarking on your ideal birth. I so did not want to "think negatively", so I just told myself "Yes it can happen, I could end up in hospital, I am aware" and never gave it a second thought about how that would really be. I don't have any suggestion of how this can be better dealt with other than places like this where we can talk about it and find support.

I am still a big advocate of home birth. If I have another babe I may very well try for HB again, although not sure if I'm even a candidate anymore as my placenta did not come out easily and I lost a lot of blood and now its more likely to happen again, which I would much rather be in a birth center/ baby-friendly hospital if so...we shall see...
post #46 of 144
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I'm rambling. But I'm glad this thread is here and we are boldly saying what is somewhat taboo to say: that sometimes homebirth does not work out. Maybe it is wise to consider that before embarking on your ideal birth. I so did not want to "think negatively", so I just told myself "Yes it can happen, I could end up in hospital, I am aware" and never gave it a second thought about how that would really be. I don't have any suggestion of how this can be better dealt with other than places like this where we can talk about it and find support.
First off, And I totally empathize on this point, but I was so convinced of the power of "positive thinking" when I was planning my hbac that I refused to consider that it might not work out. I wouldn't create a birth plan "just in case" of transfer or anything. Hell, I wouldn't even think too much about what visualizations I wanted to use during labor because I thought I might cause preterm labor Needless to say, it was quite a shock for me when things went as badly as they did.
post #47 of 144
I'm struggling with my recent homebirth on 8/21. There are so many things to say, and I'm so traumatized right now, that I cannot tell my whole story at this time.

I had one perfect HB in 06, so I had those high expectations.
During my birth, my MWs were scared. I know now it is because of their inexperience, but at the time I thought I was headed for a stillbirth. There was poor communication. My DH was also scared because he picked up on their emotions.
My new DD was born at home, healthy and perfect in every way.
20 min after my DD birth, my MW started pulling on the cord, causing me intense pain. She says she thought placenta was detached, although she knew my history and that DD#1's didn't detach for 45 min.
I started hemorrhaging, dd2 still on cord, not clamped or cut.
MW kept pulling cord even when I told her to stop.
911 was called, and I was taken to hospital with a BP of 60/20. I was stabilized and placenta out within 15 min of arrival.
Estimated blood loss of three liters. I needed two units concentrated blood.
My MW came to hospital only after cleaning some things at the house, and was there only about 10 min. I didn't hear from her for three days, until I called her.
I know now that my MW was also traumatized by what happened, but I'm not sure that is helping me cope.
She won't admit pulling on the cord my have caused or made worse my bleeding.
I'm kicking myself for choosing a mw with less experience. I feel guilty because I think I could of had another wonderful birth with a different mw.
I have had my father and one dr already say "I told you so. Hb nearly killed you". So now I also have to deal with being a non-example for something I still support.

Thank you for sharing your stories. As I process what has happened to me, it is good to know I am not alone.
post #48 of 144
LunarLady, what a frightening and terrible experience. I am so sorry.

But it's not your fault. Please, please don't think this is your fault for choosig a midwife with less experience than would have been helpful in this case. You trusted that someone was able to handle what she said she could handle, but her self assessment was wrong. You couldn't have known that.

Are you on a good iron supplement? I can't imagine 3 liters of blood loss. I've had 1300 before, but 3 liters is just frightening to me.



And please keep sharing your story with us. We're here for you, and we understand.
post #49 of 144
Thank you for the support. Looking back, it is hard to believe that everything went to H in a hand basket in only about 20 minutes.

I'm trying hard to focus on the positive, but I am still weak from the loss.

I'm taking three different iron supplements. An herbal one in the AM, my whole food prenatal one at noon, and the hospital prescribed one in the PM. My hemoglobin is still less than half of normal. I've been told it will take months to normalize.
post #50 of 144
Thread Starter 
Lunarlady, I am so sorry for the way you were treated by your midwife. You trusted her, and she let you down -- it is not your fault.

I hope you start feeling better soon.
post #51 of 144
I've written my birth story. It is very, very long. You can find it in the birth storys section, or here is a link.
post #52 of 144
LunarLady, .
post #53 of 144
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I'm so sorry for your experience.

I had a traumatic hospital birth (my daughter died 4 days later), so not quite the same, but I found the same lack of support. Although I blame that hospital staff for their errors, the whole way it went down did make me more inclined to birth in a hospital...for me having watched a full-out resuscitation I just wanted that available.

I think the unsupportive response, which I have found universally, is related to our vulnerability as parents - people don't really want to think about babies being hurt or almost dying or dying.

But I also think in the quest to de-medicalize uncomplicated delivery the NCB community fails to handle complications well on an emotional level. Someone always has to point out the stats are low or whatever...kind of like pointing out the stats on cancer to someone on chemo, when you're talking about a freshly traumatized person, but hey.



Well said. I agree that the NCB community focuses on those normal births but seems to blame the mother if her birth gets complicated and NEEDS medical intervention.
post #54 of 144
A client of mine had a traumatic first birth including a long, difficult second stage. She was physically and emotionally wiped out by the experience, and could barely take interest in her baby the first day. The CPM who attended her refused to acknowledge her feelings, just kept talking all upbeat about how much worse it would have been in hospital, how great home birth was for bonding, etc. I have always hated the way doctors insist that the only thing that matters is a "positive outcome" (ie - live, healthy baby) and I hated it even more coming from a midwife. I overstepped myself (I was only the doula) by phoning the woman a few days later and talking to her about the experience, telling her I realized she'd had a terrible labour and thought it needed to be acknowledged. She thanked me over and over for saying that, and started talking and talking about her feelings regarding the birth. She remained very pro-home birth afterwards, and recommended home birth to friends, but she herself chose a (very mother-friendly) hospital for her second baby.

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I think in the NCB community and in all the books you read it paints a very ideal picture of birth and completely glosses over the fact that it does happen that women need to be transferred to hospital, or worse, and maybe how to best deal with it if it happens to you. It would seem so negative to even mention it. After all, we have an abundance of horror birth stories and the way it's portrayed in the media makes you think it's just going to be a nightmare. So people are trying to tip the scale in the other direction by promoting how beautiful it can be, which is very needed in our society I believe.
It really is a dilemma. I can understand the reluctance to dwell on dangers or negative experiences, because it really is so overstated by the media and the medical professions. Birth-related risks or problems are used like a weapon to hold over pregnant women's heads, ensuring they accept whatever hospitals want to do to them. Giving even more publicity to home birth difficulties can feel like giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
post #55 of 144
I believe in informed consent. I believe that choosing a home birth should be done with proper informed consent. To me that is telling the whole truth-there are such things as home birth transfers, injuries or deaths...just as much as in any other setting with any other care provider. I love that my midwives informed me that nothing is guaranteed. There was no golden supplement regime, no proper activity or diet to follow...it was their experiences laid out in front of me, a transfer rate, and no promises except to be with me (with woman) through the entire experience. They refuse to fluff anything. They just neutrally give me facts and statistics and are happy when I make a choice and we can proceed. They wait for orders from me so to speak...

My fourth son was my first home birth. Everything....and I mean every. single. thing. was normal. Until he was born. He was blue. Blueberry blue. Not dusky. blue. apgars of 2 and 3. Obviously we transferred immediately. The cord was triple wrapped around his neck but had slid off easily. My midwife whispered "you will not be the one I lose..." as she began to suction and give oxygen. His heart rate (thank God) never dropped below 140 in spite of having no tone, no cry, nothing....just a beating heart. His blood sugar upon admission was zero. They told me they had never seen anyone survive that as I walked to meet him in his isolette in the ER before transfer to the NICU hospital.

During our 21 day non-parental friendly NICU stay...we watched as his organs shut down and re booted themselves, we struggled with awful staffing....it took three days before we knew he would live. It was a full 24 hours before we even understood it was the cord that had been the issue-it was choking him out and upon birth all the extra blood he was making to survive went straight to his head and caused a minor bleed. He was worse than the strangulation victims they had seen... we fought hard with the hospital on so many things... I camped in the back of my vehicle until he was released so I could BF on demand to get him off tube feedings. The nurses were used to preemies and were pissed I was BFing because they couldn't "chart exact amounts" It was hell. And there was no support group. The NICU was packed full of preemies and March of Dimes was wonderful-for them-not for me. My baby was 8 pounds. He was just blue and injured badly by his cord. NO one understood me, not even the NICU moms or staff. There is NO online support for this and I went home with PTSD. The beeping at the checkout line still gives me goosebumps because it reminds me of his heart monitor and the machines that sound when they "forget to breathe"

I had this in consolation-I knew we did everything right. I knew if I was going to HB that I was going to play out every what if before I started "thinking positive" and just "trusting birth" I researched everything so I could stand up for myself and take responsibility for my own decisions if anything went wrong. (Please DO NOT take that as saying I did better than anyone here-I'm just needing to share my story is all-these words are not aimed at anyone-just my thought process) We did everything right to the very best of our understanding and even if my son had died that alone made me feel right.

My midwives blew my mind. They never left my side. For 72 hours after his birth, they were with me. Pumping with me, driving me to and from, crying, talking, what-ifing, going over my chart, honestly searching for anything we could have done differently. I put them on the list to see my baby even if I was not present at hospital. I would arrive in the morning at 8am to hear that one of my midwives had spent half the night by his bedside so he wouldn't be alone in such a strange place. I cried so hard in amazement that they were still "with me."

I know not everyone has this experience, and my feelings are still double sided. It sucked. It was so lonely and crappy. I still have a hard time. He is a normal healthy two year old today. We are working on getting him to sleep by himself and I still want to treat him special and hold him tight and just be glad he's alive. He fully exploits that fact and pretty much runs the whole house these days.

When I got a surprise positive pregnancy test this time last year, I knew I would be having a home birth. From my perspective, my midwives had saved our lives. They kept him alive until EMT got to us to take us in. They stayed by me and even today I can call them and process the whole thing over again if I need to. sometimes, I do. Yes, the hospital as hard as it was to deal with the staff, saved my sons life. He fought, they supported him, and my midwives got us there safely, they helped us keep our bond with each other, and even had us get right back in the tub where we had left off to welcome us back home. It was very healing to have them not be afraid, not walk away, not abandon us, but suck it up and face the crap by our side as a team.

My daughter came into this world in the same bedroom. In the same tub. Pink, reaching for me, absolutely NO cord wrapped around her (she listened to my daily nagging about it). My labor was painful, but easy in comparison. She had the same people present her big brother did and as the sun was coming up she was born safe and sound at home. Her brother-that on some hospital records still shows as a "stillborn homebirth" was splashing in the water as I pushed her out into her daddy's hands with our midwives hovering over. He poked her little feet as I held her and sobbed and he said over and over "sissy sissy." It was healing for us all-even him.

I will be the first to say-it is not for everyone. And I don't think physical reasons alone should exclude some from home birth. The whole woman must be considered, and her decisions are her right no matter what she chooses we should respect that. I believe that every woman should have the option of a midwife, even if she chooses hospital birth...midwifery is about being with women...we have to take our eyes off of where and place our faith on who. Women will birth where they feel safest and a midwives role (I believe) is to support that. I know this thread isn't all about midwives-but I came here not only for my reasons but also as a new midwifery student. I savor the details with a very open mind.

I totally think there needs to be more support for birth gone wrong...regardless of where or why....you don't ask a cancer patient where they got cancer and why is pretty irrelevant once it is diagnosed. I mean, it's one thing for the person experiencing it to discuss it all but for the rest of the world to judge and give opinions is just not necessary. I sure as hell didn't want to hear a word-either way- when my baby was in the NICU and we were uncertain if he would even live. It didn't matter to me at that point. I just wanted to be a mommy.

I fully agree with pp about needing to separate my own experience from the usual. Lightening rarely strikes twice and for me, we cautiously rolled the dice. True to the stats-we got our beautiful home birth experience. I think it should be pointed out too that it almost never winds up how we have it in our minds. There's no lighter to light the candles, things happen to fast, the water wasn't as comforting as we thought, or perhaps we didn't get the pool full in time, DH couldn't sit still for a single contraction, the birth CD won't play, we tore, we had a toungue tie, flat nipples, upset siblings, no sleep, prodromal labor...etc etc etc. I think we need to paint ourselves a more realistic picture. Homebirth can happen beautifully but we need to be open to allowing it to happen in it's own right for that day and not some built up cinderella story. My daughters birth, to me, was still Cinderella like-but this time-I made no expectations.

Anyway I'm rambling now. I just really wanted to share my story and validate that yes there NEEDS to be a place to process birth trauma-even home birth trauma and I am grateful that we are all brave enough to say that and share our experiences. Just feeling not alone is a huge huge help...which i guess was my whole point all along.
post #56 of 144
i really liked this thread, very open and honest. i have heard both sides of the story and i don't think home birth or hospital birth should be painted in a rosy light or an evil light. birth is HARD. sometimes it is easy. there is always risk involved. i honestly feel like i did get "lucky" with both my kids- with both of their births having certain elements that still make me nervous/upset if i think about them too long.

's to all the mamas who shared their stories
post #57 of 144
Dear God, Crispie. What a scary, scary birth. We were in a similar boat, but not as extreme and due more to bizarre medical issues than to random cord fluke and birth injuries. I am so so sorry you went through that. And I 100% understand the feeling that your midwife saved your lives. My midwife was also absolutely phenomenal during our 10 day NICU hostage stay, and I will always be profoundly grateful for her expertise and her compassion during the worst time of my life.
post #58 of 144

Wow!!  What a horrible, terrible experience.  I am so sorry that you were treated so poorly, and that you have PTSD from how traumatic that birth was, along with how horribly you were treated by people being paid to care for you.  That's so shocking and awful.

 

:hug

post #59 of 144

I'm sorry your CPM (and CNM!!) treated you so horrible, timely.  Thanks for sharing your story hug.gif

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To add, I also experienced a mass exodus of friends.  As soon as the story came out I was dumped by a lot of people.  I found no support circles for traumatic home birth, and those that were just for 'traumatic birth' tended to be unsupportive because those involved have become ardent home birth believers in lieu of their hospital experience.  There were basically 2 types of people in my life.  Those that think birth is always safe and are going to go 'unassisted' next time so they don't have to 'waste money' on a midwife, and those that thought I was crazy to have a home birth in the first place.  The first group is like talking to a wall, the second has an attitude of "Well what did you expect trying to have a baby in your basement?" that is less than comforting.  Posts to forums were quickly removed.  I felt swept under the carpet by everyone.

 

My baby is now 5 months old and I'm starting to come to terms with everything.  I didn't really have an idealized experience planned.  I just wanted to meet my daughter and thought doing so with the fewest interventions possible would be best.  I had the music and the candles and the supposed training via the Bradley class, but no amount of 'relaxation technique' was going to stop my vomitting or raise her heart rate.  My midwife flippantly dismissed it and said most women throw up during labor.  Well, I don't think most women go through 3 bags of fluids once they are transferred because they are so incredibly dehydrated.  What I've really had to come to terms with is how unaccountable midwives are.  I had no idea and never would have expected what happened.  The most I could do was call the better business bureau on my CNM.  The CPM?  There isn't really anyone to complain to about her that I know of.  All the midwives around here band together and are self regulated, so even if my baby had been killed there isn't any accountability.

 

At any rate, I found this thread while doing a google search for traumatic home birth support.  I wish there were more options available for those of us that have been through it.  I just thank the gods that I have a beautiful baby to help me along and that I'm not one of the many to lose their babies.

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