christianity and circ-need info!!! - Page 2

[Stardust27]

Of course I know who Ron Goldman is and what his stance on circumcision and intactness is. I've even read both of his books. But there aren't any bumper stickers on his sites, neither on the "general" circumcision site, nor on the Jewish circumcision site. The only stuff you can order there are his books. He focuses on other things, and I think that's perfectly alright. How boring it would be if all those intactivist sites out there had the same structure.

Suse, if you're looking for motifs for bumper stickers, go to:
http://www.circumstitions.com/bumperstickers.html

Can we now please put an end to this confusion? I guess Gitti just mixed up the sites and that's it. Maybe we should create two threads: "Intactivism sites with bumper stickers" and "Intactivism sites without bumper stickers". :LOL

Stardust

[Sustainer]

I notice that the site you posted has an article called Why Christians Need Not Be Circumcized:

http://www.circumstitions.com/Xy.html

I like this article, and it discusses some of the functions of the foreskin:

http://mothering.com/10-0-0/html/10-...cision85.shtml

How wonderful that 70 students are being turned toward breastfeeding and away from circumcision!

[Gitti]

http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/stickers.htm

Well, here they are

[Stardust27]

Originally posted by bjbjd
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/stickers.htm

Well, here they are

Not to be nitpicking, but that is not Ron Goldman's own site. He might be involved in "Jews against circumcision", of course...

Anyway, for getting the word out, I'd prefer jewishcircumcision.org over jewsagainstcircumcision.org, because I think the latter, while it does have some great information, is a bit too aggressive. If Jewish expectant parents who might be willing to question circumcision go to the page and read the first sentence there (I'm not going to quote it – everyone can go there and have a look), they might very well feel offended and close their minds right away. I think it's more suited for those Jews who have already made their decision against circumcision.

Ron Goldman makes the same point, but a lot more subtle (you might also call it cunning ) and in a way that you probably end up thinking: "Well, he's got a point. Why on earth didn't this occur to me before?" I particularly like the statements in "Women's Perspective". So IMHO that one is the better site to convince someone or at least make them reconsider their opinion.

Stardust

[Gitti]

Hey, I didn't even notice the difference.

I went to Ron Goldman's own site, from there to > Jews against circ to > ainti-circ stickers.

But I see the difference now, not that it makes any difference to me

I'm still going to order one.

[Gitti]

I was just wondering - is it a disgrace selling bumper stickers on ones site? Is Ron Goldman above that sort of informing or what? I mean it sounded like it to me now.

I never saw anything wrong with it but from the discussion here I infer that perhaps... :

[Frankly Speaking]

Gitti:

I think there may be a perception that doesn't line up with reality. It wasn't so many years ago that attorneys and doctors were prohibited from advertising as it was seen beneath those professions. My adopted grandson's mother refuses to use the telephone in marketing her business because she thinks it would send the wrong impression. She prefers to spend a lot of money advertising to get businesses to call her instead. She associates business to business telemarketing with the people that incessantly called people at home before the "Do Not Call List." They are totally different animals. I think you may be seeing some of that same thinking here.




Frank

[Sustainer]

Hey, Frank, how come you have 1003 posts, but it just says "Member" under your name instead of "Senior Member" :

[Frankly Speaking]

I deny my age unless it means I get a discount!






Frank

[Stardust27]

Will this "bumper sticker" discussion ever end?

I just wanted to point out that I have no problems at all with people selling bumper stickers and other stuff via their sites as long as the prices are reasonable and the costumer knows what the profits (if there are any) are used for. My first post concerning this topic wasn't written because I was offended (or something like that) that anyone would assume that Ron Goldman offers stickers on his site, but to keep people from searching for those stickers in vain. Maybe I should have worded it differently, a clear statement instead of the questions. I just wanted to be witty. Guess I really bungled that one.

But I still think that the stickers offered on jewsagainstcircumcision.org don't suit the style of jewishcircumcision.org – not implying that one particular style is better than the other, just different and thus suited for different target groups and different purposes. One sticker that I could imagine being sold via jewishcircumcision.org is the "Brit Shalom" sticker all the way down on http://www.circumstitions.com/bumperstickers.html .

And Gitti, you don't have to defend yourself at all for ordering a sticker. (I get that feeling from your sentence "I'm still going to order one.", but maybe I am reading too much into the words this time. If that is the case, please accept my apologies.) They are great in their own way.

I hope that all misunderstandings are cleared up now, so that we can spare our energies for more important things – we're on the same side after all.

Stardust

PS: I hope we did at least boost the number of visits to those sites.

[Gitti]

Sturdust,

Gee, I don't want to go all the way back just to read what I said, but at any rate, I accept your apology (even though I don't think I needed or deserved one!) :LOL

Just take it easy! Life's too short.

[TigerTail]

lol, i was just confused, no judgements here. thanks for showing me where they are!

suse