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Getting backed into a corner

post #1 of 7
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I'm not really sure if this is discipline, but I thought I'd get some feedback from the wise parents here.

I often find myself backed into a corner with "logic" discussions from my kids and I end up frustrated and angry, and it's usually when I've tried to be nice and said yes to something that they really want. The latest one went something like this: An Oriental Trading catalog arrived that ds1 was looking through. He saw this particular bubble gum that he really wanted, and it only came in boxes of 12. Not 12 pieces, but 12 packages. He was going on and on about this gum for a couple of weeks, and kept doing different chores in hopes of earning enough to get the gum. At one point dh and I finally said he could get the gum.

So we sat down to order it. It was $15, but then shipping was going to be $8 or something. I called a local candy store, and they had the gum in individual packages. So I told ds we would go there the next day and he could buy some of the gum. Well, he wanted to know if he could buy 12 packages since that's what we'd already said yes to. I said that the gum in the store was more expensive (almost $2/pack), so no, we couldn't buy 12, but he could buy a couple and pick out a few other pieces of candy. Fine.

So today I pick them up from their camp and we're going to head to the candy store. My 6yo starts begging me for a root beer. I say no, we're going to the candy store, and that's too much sugar for one day. He says he doesn't wany any candy, he just wants a root beer. Well, sugar crap is sugar crap, so after a discussion making sure he understands his decision, I buy him the rootbeer.

We go to the candy store, and ds1 picks out his candy. We pay, and they're sitting there watching a little video the store has playing. Ds1 mentions something about getting ice cream the next day after camp, which we had discussed at the beginning of the week. (I swear, we don't normally eat this much sugar - it all just kind of happened at once.) Ds2 then says that he doesn't want any ice cream tomorrow, that he'd rather pick out candy today. I say he can't eat it today because it's too much sugar after having had the rootbeer. He says fine, he'll pick it out today and eat it tomorrow after the ice cream.

At this point I feel like the whole thing is just getting ridiculous. What started out as letting them buy some bubble gum is ending up with bags of candy, trading rootbeer and ice cream, and just generally making me uptight.

I'm angry at myself for not just putting my foot down and saying no, but then I don't want to be making illogical decisions. I feel like this happens all the time. I say yes to one thing, then they're trying to swap it out for something "equal," then trying to negotiate something else instead, and I end up pissed and not wanting to do anything. Am I the only one ends up in these ridiculous situations?
post #2 of 7
Not yet, but I can see it coming with my nearly five yos. Well, I guess they gave done a bit of this, but not as sophisticated as yours! When I feel it's getting out of hand I say no, but they are younger and I don't know how that will go over as their reasoning skills develop. I'll be watching this thread for some ideas to store away!
post #3 of 7
Unless I misunderstand, DS2 gave up candy for root beer and then talked you into letting him get candy with the promise that he would eat it tomorrow instead of ice cream? At the point when he started begging for candy and promising he would eat it tomorrow, I would have gently reminded him that he chose to have root beer instead of candy.

I went through this with DS yesterday when I gave blood. He is allowed to sit and eat snackies while I'm giving blood; the volunteers dote on him and feed him up!

Yesterday, he really wanted a cherry pie that we had at home so I told him he could have one or the other but not both. As soon as we walked into the donation center, he announced he was hungry. I reminded him that he had a cherry pie at home and asked again if he would prefer to have a snack now or wait for his cherry pie. We went through this a couple of times and each time it was more of a reminder for him that there was a cherry pie at home for him than it was making a fresh choice.
post #4 of 7
I find myself in situations like that, but it doesn't bother me all that much. It doesn't sound like your kids ended up talking you into more sweets than you wanted them to have - they just came up with different ideas than what you had pictured. Your son chose rootbeer instead of candy today, and candy instead of ice cream for tomorrow. To me, it would be a little unreasonable not to accomodate ideas like that. Having to listen to their alternative ideas and decide about them makes your life a little more complicated, but isn't really a whole lot of extra work, and it seems great for them to have the experience of working out mutually agreeable solutions.
post #5 of 7
If he wanted to trade out root beer for candy & then candy for ice cream, I don't see the big deal. You were already at the candy store, buy it & hang on to the bag until tomorrow. If he starts going on tomorrow about wanting ice cream, too, then he can choose to eat the candy he bought or the ice cream. I don't think it is a discipline problem, but a kid who is learning to negotiate and change his mind in a reasonable manner.
post #6 of 7
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Originally Posted by Daffodil View Post
I find myself in situations like that, but it doesn't bother me all that much. It doesn't sound like your kids ended up talking you into more sweets than you wanted them to have - they just came up with different ideas than what you had pictured. Your son chose rootbeer instead of candy today, and candy instead of ice cream for tomorrow. To me, it would be a little unreasonable not to accomodate ideas like that. Having to listen to their alternative ideas and decide about them makes your life a little more complicated, but isn't really a whole lot of extra work, and it seems great for them to have the experience of working out mutually agreeable solutions.
I guess at the time, that's what I'm thinking too, which is why I said yes. But I just feel like sometimes it gets out of control.

Sometimes ds2 will ask if he can play on the computer. I'll say okay. Then ds1 will say "Well, if he can play on the computer, can I watch tv?" My answer is always no - I just cannot have one kid in front of the computer and the other in front of the tv. It just bugs me. So I'll tell him he can play on the computer with ds1. But then ds2 will say "I want to watch tv instead." And then ds1 will start in about what's the difference between the tv and computer, and all of a sudden a simple request to play on the computer has turned into a negotiation about tv.

I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Maybe it's just a general vent about parenting!
post #7 of 7
I think some of this might be letting go of having your kids choose from only your preapproved choices and letting them make take responsibility to make the decision that suits them within your parameters. So I personally would let the tv/computer thing slide within the parameters of your family (ie 30 minutes a day, minimal noise level, no arguments - whatever applies).

In contrast I also think it's perfectly fine to say: this is my intention, this is my offer and you can make choices from this list. So in the ice cream situation for example, I would be perfectly comfortable saying: You know we were going to go for ice cream tomorrow night with dad to celebrate ABC and I would really like us to enjoy it together. So today I am offering you a choice of this or this treat now and tomorrow we'll all get ice cream together and walk to the park.

Or some days I say: I need for this to be simple and easy and I am not interested in a marathon negotiation so let's back up. Here's my offer - what's your choice?
Just because a request for something is reasonable for one kid doesn't always mean it will work for the family dynamic. I run into this sometimes with playdates, outings or meal choices etc. Its okay IMO to draw the line and say to my kids that sometimes the needs of the (collective) family come before individual wants (and I include family harmony and ease as needs.) This needs to be balanced though and I try to let my own stuff be my own and to say yes to my kids when it isn't going to "cost" anything.

hth
Karen
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