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relatives pushing CIO *support needed please*

post #1 of 39
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So my dad and his wife are here visiting from the US for a week. They have 2 kids together (ages 6yo and 19mo). My baby is 11 weeks old. This evening my dad was here and witnessed a little naptime drama, namely that Max (my baby) had been a bit overstimulated today and would not go down for his early evening nap. After trying to help him sleep for about 30 mins unsuccessfully, we came back out and said it's not happening, too bad. Then it happened:

My dad asked if we'd ever tried just letting him "fall asleep on his own" and even if that meant letting him cry alone up to 1/2 hour. I was quite clear and firm and told him I'd rather have 1000 sleepless nights than do that. I used the old "that won't work for our family" line. He of course told the tale of their friends (who didn't use CIO) whose lives were practically ruined by sleepless babies, and how well it "works" to help the poor baby find the sleep they need...almost as if not doing it was cruel and depriving the baby of much-needed sleep. He then changed the subject, but I changed it back just to reiterate that we will not ever do that so please don't try to convince us. He was pretty receptive, and I know he and my mom did not do CIO w/me and my brother, so he's not that gung-ho about it. His wife, however, is arriving tomorrow and I feel scared to even discuss sleep with her because I know she'll try to convince me to do CIO. And she's much more authoritative about this kind of thing than my dad is. It's also hard to make my point because CIO people feel so convinced, because from a certain standpoint (getting the baby to fall asleep alone and sleep through) it does seem to work...that is, ignoring completely the effect it truly has on the child. Then here I am, struggling to get my baby down for naps.

I love my dad a lot, and I consider his wife to be like a sister to me...but the kind of sister you love a lot and get on well with but are totally different from. I generally respect them as parents and they do make some wise parenting choices and I have gotten good advice from both of them. But this CIO thing is non-negotiable. I can, have and will set my limits on this, but I'm just seeking support because I know some if not many of you have been through similar things with parents, in-laws, etc. If you have any words of wisdom, both for emotional support and specific things like what you say exactly, I could use it about now. I don't want to argue it with them, I didn't even tell my dad why we won't do CIO, just that we wouldn't. But I know his wife will be pretty much like "Well okay then, brace yourself for a few rough years then", totally convinced she's right. *sigh*
post #2 of 39
They can do that with their babies.

Max is *your* baby, and you never have to let him cry to sleep.

My kids all sleep well, and they've never CIO for a single 10 minutes in their lives. Sure, they cry sometimes, but in my arms.

So there are 4 kids who are fine and sleep well to offset that one baby they told you about .
post #3 of 39
I'd be very firm from the very beginning, if you discuss your reasons for not doing CIO they may see it as an opportunity to show arguments *in favor* of CIO. So I'd just say: it's not an option for us, it's not up for discussion, and be firm and confident that you are making the best choices for your baby. Having a baby who sleeps well or a kid who eats all his veggies is not a measure of your value as a mother.
post #4 of 39
My two oldest kids 5 &2 y.o. Sleep well, and sleep through the night- over 10-12 hours.... They never CIO! Never.

They did have times where they were too tired, over stimulated etc. Where they cried, wouldn't sleep, required rocking, dancing in a mei tei, etc. My eldest nursed through the night until she was 2.5...

They all eventually learn that sleep is awesome.

I just always say- "that's not an option I'd ever consider, but I can appreciate that it worked for you"

because in the past 5 years of parenting this is one battle that always gets ugly and is never worth the drama that unfolds. People get reallllly self righteous over it.
post #5 of 39
Although I often do try and add something like "I gave up napping and sleeping through the night when I became a parent. It's just part of being a mom. Sometimes your too tired to make it, and then you do...."

the whole this too shall pass attitude.

I think our culture is unecessarily hung up on sleep. Children grow so fast! Being up at 2am with my babies are some of my most favourite memories.
post #6 of 39
Your baby is way to young to even start discussing CIO.. not that there ever is a "good" time to do it, but at 11 weeks? He is still brand new! At that age my DS had naps all over the place, unpredictable, and short. His schedule changed weekly. I would just not discuss it, and if it comes up again just say it isn't up for discussion. If Max gets tired/grumpy just say "I think he's getting overstimulated, I'm going to take him in the other room for a bit and nurse/cuddle, etc" and if he falls asleep, great! If not, they don't need to know you were back there for 30 minutes trying to get him to sleep!

Just wanted to add-- what a CUTE baby you have!!
post #7 of 39
Print out the studies on the damage CIO does and if the subject comes up hand over the papers and tell him/her that when they read it you can discuss it them if you want.
post #8 of 39
They're visiting from out of the country? I would totally "pass the bean dip" and let it go. Divert for now-- even say you'll think about if it hushes them up (because you are thinking about it, and how you'd never do it, right?) and when they call, email, write, whatever, just say "Everything is going great, thanks!" IME, you can't convince people who are pro-CIO that it's a bad idea, because they will just take it personally. Your baby, your rules, and you're doing a great job!
post #9 of 39
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Originally Posted by tallulahma View Post


I think our culture is unecessarily hung up on sleep. Children grow so fast! Being up at 2am with my babies are some of my most favourite memories.
I agree that our culture is hung up on it.. but I can see why. After being a complete zombie for 18 months because my DS was waking every hour or more.. yeah, I was hung up on sleep.

Where I think our culture strays, though, is that instead of offering moms gentle alternatives to CIO (such as nightweaning, gentle sleep training once baby is older, etc) and support/help they are quick to suggest harsh sleep training like CIO. Very sad that people think it is all or nothing.
post #10 of 39
Take a firm stand and back up your decision with logic, not emotion. I've found that people back down when I start talking about studies that support my parenting style. For instance you could express concern over the flood of cortisol babies experience when they are left to CIO. Talk about the importance of attachment for brain development etc. Be brave! He's your baby!
post #11 of 39
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Originally Posted by annettemarie View Post
They're visiting from out of the country? I would totally "pass the bean dip" and let it go. Divert for now-- even say you'll think about if it hushes them up (because you are thinking about it, and how you'd never do it, right?) and when they call, email, write, whatever, just say "Everything is going great, thanks!"
Well that's part of the problem with this, I feel like if I totally refute their (mainly her) advice to CIO, it sort of means I can never complain or share when we are having sleep issues, because obviously her solution is not up for discussion, and she'll be thinking "Well that's what you get for not using CIO". I guess I maybe just have to accept and get used to not discussing this issue anymore with them. We usually talk about most everything, but I suppse that can change now.

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Originally Posted by LadyCatherine185 View Post
Your baby is way to young to even start discussing CIO.. not that there ever is a "good" time to do it, but at 11 weeks? He is still brand new!
FWIW my dad did say "from a certain age, something like 6 months, I'm not sure". Still....not an option, pops!
post #12 of 39
Yeah, you will probably have to just accept that you won't be able to discuss sleep issues or complain about them with her. Good thing you have MDC!

It's the same way with my in-laws. I save my commisseration for my mom and my friends.
post #13 of 39
Unfortunately, that's a lesson I learned pretty early on in the AP mama gig. But like Aimee said, you have us!
post #14 of 39
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Originally Posted by P.J. View Post
Well that's part of the problem with this, I feel like if I totally refute their (mainly her) advice to CIO, it sort of means I can never complain or share when we are having sleep issues, because obviously her solution is not up for discussion, and she'll be thinking "Well that's what you get for not using CIO". I guess I maybe just have to accept and get used to not discussing this issue anymore with them. We usually talk about most everything, but I suppse that can change now.


This happened with my MIL... I thought I had the best MIL ever until my parenting decisions differed from hers. We just don't talk about those things... or if they come up, I drop it as fast as possible. Things just change when you have kids, imo.
post #15 of 39
I would state that I consider CIO child abuse, as by definition neglect of a babies basic needs, and that it's out of question. It makes me seriously ill to think about babies who cry until they're too tired to continue, just laying in a baby bed, so lonely...
post #16 of 39
If/when the issue comes up:

"Nope, no CIO here. I am very firm in my beliefs that letting a baby cry is not helpful and, in fact, may be harmful. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this subject."

Then change the subject. If they bring itr up again, keep changing the subject.
post #17 of 39
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Originally Posted by Juvysen View Post


This happened with my MIL... I thought I had the best MIL ever until my parenting decisions differed from hers. We just don't talk about those things... or if they come up, I drop it as fast as possible. Things just change when you have kids, imo.


I thought I had the best in-laws ever too, until we got pregnant and all the unsolicited advice came in. We just don't talk about parenting anymore. I just let things slide off my back when they start in on the "Well, in my day..." junk.
post #18 of 39
And you know, to bring a little perspective, my first baby is now 11, and my MIL will sometimes say things like "You know I thought you were crazy for (family bed, not CIO, homeschooling, not spanking, etc), but Michael is a really great kid and you've done a great job!" Sometimes they come around... eventually.
post #19 of 39
I'd ask him how much he'd like to cry alone in his bed at night?

There is a study out there showing allowing babies to CIO has the same brain activity as physical pain, so for me that about sums it up.

Let them leave and get on with your life with your family in your own way.
post #20 of 39
Just to add an element to it; what is your dad typically like? (rhetorical question). I guess I'm wondering if he hates to see his little girl struggling, and so wants to fix it for you, kwim?

I think I'd respond with a "Thanks for your concern This is what works for our family, and I'm doing fine with it. He won't be little forever. Would you like some bean dip?"
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