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post #1 of 22
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OK, just kidding. I could never live holed up in the mountains.

I'm just feeling frustrated right now and am not sure what to do.

Up until this past year, we've pretty much sheltered our kids. I'll admit it. We let them play in the backyard but didn't let them play out front unsupervised or run around the neighborhood, we mostly hung out with other homeschoolers or church people with similar values, we basically just kept them close to home. But then I realized they were really craving having looser boundaries, so we started letting them run around with the neighborhood kids, talk on the phone, spend the night at friend's houses, stuff like that. And now I'm wishing we never had.

It's the neighborhood thing that's the biggest pain. First it was M., this kid down the street who was making racist and homophobic comments. He got made at Michael and threatened to "rip his nuts off." We finally told Michael he couldn't play with him anymore because it was constant drama. That was last fall.

Now we have an issue with the people a block over. Or rather, they seem to have an issue with our oldest. They have two kids-- one is a daughter who is a year or so older than my daughter. I have no issues with her. She's a little more "worldly" than my kids-- into Hannah Montanna, has an iPod, stuff like that-- but she seems like a good kid. Her little brother B, however, is a different story. If I am to believe my kid, B. lies about stuff, causes drama, just generally seems to thrive of causing trouble. Told some story about his sister shoplifting stuff from the mall, which she then denied, then said was true, who knows.

There's one other neighborhood kid, D., who is the common factor in all this. He's my son age, and he seems OK, I guess.

Anyway, tonight Michael came home and is all upset because he and D. went over to ask H. if she wanted to play. They don't like to play with B. And apparently, B and H's parents went off on Michael and D, saying they were telling lies about B, saying his family was crazy, all sorts of weird crap. And that they were going to come over and talk to us.

I just don't need this drama. I don't understand adults getting into kids' battles like this. I have no desire to step in unless someone is really getting hurt. And I have no reason to believe my kid is lying to me. He's told me some of the weird crap B. has said and done, and he's never called him names or insulted his family. Mostly he seems genuinely bewildered that someone would act this way. My biggest worry is that my daughter won't be able to play with H. anymore because of this.

And if you've read this far and kept up, good for you, because I don't quite get what's happening either. All I know is I liked it much better when my kids just played with each other and saw church kids on Sunday and homeschool kids at co-op.
post #2 of 22
If they come over, I'd just tell them what you said here -- basically that your son is not calling their child names but is just wondering why he does certain things. And also that you prefer to let the children work out their differences.
post #3 of 22
We have sort of a similar situation except our nightmare lives right next door. My son loves the two neighbor girls who are a couple years older then him. Their mother is horribly abusive to her kids, yet my son wants to play with them constantly. These poor girls are the sneakiest little things you ever met. (They have to be, everything is just short of the death penalty at their house.)
Yesterday "16 and pregnant" was on Mtv at their house when I went in. The 6 year old gave me the run down to catch me up on what was going on. Their mom told me it was "educational TV" since they need to learn how it is in the real world! Arrgh!
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I know that was one big rambly vent. I'm feeling nauseated and headachey and am not very articulate right now.

Part of me just wants to say that's it, no more running around with kids I don't really know. But that leaves my oldest kid kind of high and dry. Our homeschool community is pretty spread out. He has one good church friend the next town over, not walking distance, and another who lives about a mile or so away whom he sees fairly often, but still not walking distance. I'll admit, I was kind of digging the autonomy of them running around with the neighborhood kids. But lying, swearing, stealing, causing drama/trouble, gossiping, homophobia, and racism are really not things I want my kids exposed to.
post #5 of 22
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One other thing (for now, LOL!) they also said something to Michael about how they don't mind Katie Grace, she's very sweet and nice. That ticked me off. We try very hard not to pit our kids against one another and I really don't appreciate strangers doing this.

And not to sound snotty, but we've NEVER had to deal with this crap with the homeschool kids. They work things out, or come to the grown ups if they can't, but it's much less drama. School starts soon, which should help I guess.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by annettemarie View Post
One other thing (for now, LOL!) they also said something to Michael about how they don't mind Katie Grace, she's very sweet and nice. That ticked me off. We try very hard not to pit our kids against one another and I really don't appreciate strangers doing this.

And not to sound snotty, but we've NEVER had to deal with this crap with the homeschool kids. They work things out, or come to the grown ups if they can't, but it's much less drama. School starts soon, which should help I guess.
I feel your pain.
We've had a host of issues with one family around the corner - stealing my kids stuff, calling my kids names using various racist and homophobic slurs (we're the same race ), throwing rocks at my kids when their play went awry. The mother/grandparents were useless and I finally said no to playing with those kids and whenever there is an issue I go directly to the kids and tell them to knock it off. They've given us a wide berth for the summer and I try to encourage other friendships - but frankly even those have their own landmines and sometimes I feel like I would really like to retreat to my little homeschooling bubble. We've had issues with exclusion or one of my kids, issues with "preteen tone" seeping in after extended play, issues around pitting one kids against the other (and this is from the parents sometimes) issues with clashing family values (ie why we don't buy things every day for sport - these kids go shopping at the toy store probably 3 times a week). I have to say we deliberately make our selves scarce a couple of days a week (go hiking, to the beach, on a field trip etc) to give us all a break and to recentre as a family. I love when school goes back.

I don't have tonnes of advice. I do tell my kids that we play by our family rules where ever we go- which means no excluding, no name calling, no being rude to adults etc, regardless of where they are playing. And we talk a lot about how families do things differently but that we can accept it and still hold on to our values.
We also talk about what it means to be a good friend and a good person.

blah....hope it gets better for you.
Karen
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Karenwith4 View Post
I do tell my kids that we play by our family rules where ever we go- which means no excluding, no name calling, no being rude to adults etc, regardless of where they are playing. And we talk a lot about how families do things differently but that we can accept it and still hold on to our values.
We also talk about what it means to be a good friend and a good person.
I really like this.

And to be fair, I shouldn't make it a homeschool thing. Two of Michael's best friends are public school kids. Maybe it's just my neighborhood. I don't know. I'm kind of done with H. and B.'s family, and while I don't want my daughter's feelings to be hurt, I've been kind of on the fence about her hanging out with a kid a couple years older than her. The whole thing is just really silly.

Michael also told me that B's mom told him "You act innocent but we know you're a liar." That ticks me off. I'll be the first one to list off my kids' faults, and Michael is not a liar. On the rare occasion he tries, he's so abysmally bad at it that you can see through it in a second. I would never talk to another child that way, and I'm ticked off that someone else pulled it with my kid. I'm not sure what to do about that.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by annettemarie View Post
I really like this.

And to be fair, I shouldn't make it a homeschool thing. Two of Michael's best friends are public school kids. Maybe it's just my neighborhood. I don't know. I'm kind of done with H. and B.'s family, and while I don't want my daughter's feelings to be hurt, I've been kind of on the fence about her hanging out with a kid a couple years older than her. The whole thing is just really silly.

Michael also told me that B's mom told him "You act innocent but we know you're a liar." That ticks me off. I'll be the first one to list off my kids' faults, and Michael is not a liar. On the rare occasion he tries, he's so abysmally bad at it that you can see through it in a second. I would never talk to another child that way, and I'm ticked off that someone else pulled it with my kid. I'm not sure what to do about that.
I think if your kids are going to continue to interact with B's family and parents I would say something to the mother about allowing each family to discipline the kids as they see fit and agree that if the parent has an issue with a child they should discuss it as parents. I would flat out tell her that what she said to M was inappropriate, unkind, not helpful and uncalled for (not to mention wrong) and that I would expect adults to behave with more maturity than that in dealing with children. I'd probably also say that another round of that is a deal breaker (assuming the deal isn't already broken ). I have no patience for that kind of crap.

When does school start?
post #9 of 22
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I think it starts on August 23, LOL!

I'm inclined to just cut ties, to be honest. I'm hugely pregnant and just not in the mood, and Katie Grace has better friends who don't come with so much baggage. I'm thinking of telling Michael he can play with D. in our yard or D's yard or the guy across the street's yard (he lets the boys play football there), but that's it. I have been so sick and nauseated and had two miscarriages last year, so it was essentially three first trimesters in a row with the last one being an exhuasting twin pregnancy, and I've really kind of let the kids run amuck. I think it's time to reign things back in to where I'm comfortable.
post #10 of 22
Yeah that would be my instinct as well. It depends about how doable it is to cut ties I think as to whether I would say anything to his mother.
I hear you about the pregnant thing although I think anyone would be wary of a pregnant mama bear - lol.

Karen
post #11 of 22
I think I would stick to your plan of having them a little closer to home fo awhile. My kids would not go to a home in which they were called liars. Makes me happy we are holed up in the mountains with no kids in our neighborhood
post #12 of 22
Honestly, I think I would reign them back in too. This is the kind of drama that also makes me want to go hole up somewhere. I am praying that when we are homeschooling he will meet other kids that will have the same values we do, and that the next time we move, there will be wonderful kiddos at church. I think your original plan was pretty good

Oh yes, and if it was me I would go ahead and cut ties. Kids should not be getting called liars or pitted against each other when playing at a friend's house!
post #13 of 22
We haven't really gotten involved with too many of the kids in our neighborhood. Most of them seem to think that there is something wrong with you if you don't go to the local school (which is about 3-4 blocks from us). We did have one little boy that would come to play 2 summers ago, but he stopped because the other boys in the neighborhood teased him about playing with girls, (I only have girls) especially my oldest. His older brother also didn't like that fact that he was playing "with that white girl" (again, my oldest) but I could never get it out of anyone WHY he had a problem with my daughter. She was 7 at the time and the boy they were playing with was 10 I think, so it's not like they were going to run off and elope!

There is a girl about a block over that seems to be about the same age as my oldest, but I won't let dd go over there 1) Because her brothers and their friends were the bullies that teased the other little boy until he wouldn't play over here anymore 2) (most important) They used to have a RSO that lived next door to them and he was always at their house watching the kids play. I wouldn't care if she came down here or maybe rode bikes with my dd but she doesn't seem interested.

The funny thing is, we've got a little drama kind of like you describe... but with our HS friends! One friend (H) told dd that the other friend (M) took some of her stuff and that (M) had told lies that got (H) in trouble. I've never known either girl to lie and neither has dd so it's kind of weird now because dd wants to hang out with them both, H doesn't want to hang out with M but M wants to hang out with H and my dd. For some reason I have noticed that at this age, when you have 3 kids together things get a little fruity. I wonder if B. was saying things about your son and D. because he was mad that they didn't want to play with him? It sounds like B's mom is hearing this stuff from him, which in no way means she should repeat it back to your kid, though!

If it was me I'd step back from these people. I don't think I would ever feel comfortable with any of my kids going over to a house where the parent had such a negative opinion of them. Besides if B really does like to make trouble and lie I can see where he might do something while your kids were playing with him and then lie about it to shift all the blame to them. It could land your kids in a bad situation!
post #14 of 22
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Thanks everyone for being gentle with me. I really was waiting for someone to tell me this is normal and I should back off.

In a way, I feel like this is partially my fault. I've never met the parents and shoudln't have let the kids go over. My husband met them, but I didn't. Now I know.

Michael is still really upset today. None of the kids have come knocking at the door, which is unusual because usually they're over here three or four times a day-- no joke. Maybe they'll just back off and it won't be a problem.
post #15 of 22
i have noticed there seems to be more drama with kids who go to school then the homeschooled kids we hang with.
Maybe having the kids at your place so you can see them in action and get to know them.
back in our old house in AZ we lived in a neighborhood devoid of children. lol so the only kids we hung with where H/Sers. when we moved to maine the kids hung with more school kids, i just sort of invited everyone into our yard so i could "keep an eye on them" without being weird about it or hovery. lol you know them in the yard, me peeking thru the curtains (lol). now that we are back in AZ we seem to be in another neighborhood with much older kids then my boys (teens mostly it seems) and my guess is their friends will be HSers again.
anyway.. what is my point? hmmm.. maybe just for a bit have the kids at your place so you can get to know them. ((hug))

h
post #16 of 22
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They have been here and I haven't been really comfortable with what I've seen (another reason I am kind of kicking myself- I suck at following my intuition). Nothing I can put my finger on, but lots of attitude, weird pre-teen whininess, focusing on clothes and appearance, stuff like that. Also the son (B, the one who caused trouble) gave my kids things, like a light saber and a Wii game, and I was really uncomfortable with that but he wouldn't take them back. Honestly, I think the older girl, H, is fine, and B is a really troubled kid, but I don't see how we can say one is allowed over and not the other.
post #17 of 22
It's hard. I wish my dd could just go next door or down the street to play with her friends. I know she would like the independence and the break from her siblings! Luckily since fall is coming up we will be restarting some activities like Scouts and soccer, so they will see their friends more often.
post #18 of 22
we have had to take "breaks" from kids like that. that is a hard one when they are coming from the same family. as for the gift thing... we have had issues with that, as we don't have the same stuff as others do. depending on the situation i might just return it to the parents saying nicely "so and so gave this to ds, but we don't have a wii. (or play with light saber or whatever) it was so nice of him to give it. but we can't use it" not sure how that will go over with those parents though.
we have had similar issues with school kids, so strange. maybe it is just that they seem to grow up way faster then HSed kids, are more "worldly". i know my dd was very unknowing of the world and still played until she was almost 14. we knew a few schooled kids and they were way more knowing of the world then my dd. not that we kept things from them, it just wasn't always in their face i guess. alot of their friends lived like we did.

good luck!
post #19 of 22
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Thanks. I know that was one big rambly vent. I'm feeling nauseated and headachey and am not very articulate right now.

Part of me just wants to say that's it, no more running around with kids I don't really know. But that leaves my oldest kid kind of high and dry. Our homeschool community is pretty spread out. He has one good church friend the next town over, not walking distance, and another who lives about a mile or so away whom he sees fairly often, but still not walking distance. I'll admit, I was kind of digging the autonomy of them running around with the neighborhood kids. But lying, swearing, stealing, causing drama/trouble, gossiping, homophobia, and racism are really not things I want my kids exposed to.


I sort of know how you feel. The majority of the kids in our neighborhood are "self-parented," and I am NOT into the dynamics at play. My family is insular by nature- we just don't do the whole neighborhood gossip thing with other parents. We don't do drama, homophobia, age-inappropriateness, etc. DS is mellow and gets along with just about everyone, though. He goes on bike rides with some of the kids in the 'hood, but he comes back home when drama pops up. I have no idea what I'll do if their parents come around looking for "answers" if things get sticky... I hope that never happens.

Your inclination to "cut ties" with the problem child and his family is probably your best option in your situation- I would place strict limits on the amount of time your kids can be around the boy and his family, working up to "none at all" status.
post #20 of 22
this happened to us a few times while our ds was growing up. He attended a private school and it was a 30 min drive away.

We really didnt want him hanging around with some of the neighbourhood kids -- always seem to end in drama

We usually found a way to re-direct him -- ie invite some of his friends over from school (kids who are being raised with similar values and parenting skills as us) ... or better yet have him go over to their home for the day and get him out of the house - so if the neighbourhood kids come knocking he isnt even home. In desperation I would get my parents to invite him over for the day -- they loved spoiling him or I would take him out for the day.

Ultimately we would talk to him about some of the drama - and he wasnt really having fun with some of the kids anyway - he eventually chose on his own not to hang with some of them.

Things will maybe settle down once school starts.
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