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post #21 of 41
Hi- I was wondering if either I could have permission to post this elsewhere, or if you would do it. I have a specific site in mind. Email me- parents need to read this.

redwing14075@yahoo.com

Jackie
post #22 of 41

*sob*

That is absolutely heartbreaking
post #23 of 41
I'm 18wks pg w/ my 2nd baby. It's a boy and when I was pg w/ dd I thought I'd circ. if she was a boy. I read an article my Bradley teacher gave us and decided no way.

I'm in tears reading this story. I'm so glad you posted this. I'm sure if those mothers had been present while this was going on they would have felt much different about the whole procedure.

God Bless you for doing this! I think you should post this story everywhere that you can!
post #24 of 41
I forwarded this page to my husband at work. There is a guy there that says that as Christians we should circ b/c of Abraham . . . etc. . .

Anyway, not to get this moved to Spirituality, but my husband and I try to point out the NEW TESTAMENT of love & grace.

But that said, this man that feels this way works with my husband and I told Jeff to have HIM read it as both of his sons have been circumcissed. Jeff said that the guy couldn't get past the first part. Jeff told me he couldn't read past the first child's circumcision - he was having to move around and literally 'physically uncomfortable' as well.

My husband is not intact and he says that it was completely insignificant to him once he read and saw the actual surgery and understood more clearly that it isn't a hygiene issue.

This story is so powerful - really it is - it will make people think!
post #25 of 41
Those poor babies!!!!

I just have to point out that if these parents could see what was being done they may have changed their mind. Is that the real reason Dr's don't want parents to watch? And the teaching that prolonged the pain! I feel sorry for you too for not being able to tell the parents what their poor babies just went through! It would take everything in me to keep myself from nocking that dr in the head and running out of the room with the baby! Thank goodness they had a sensitive person like you to cuddle them afterwards someone who witnessed and understood the trauma they just experienced...."first do no harm". Cosmetic surgery witout anestesia is harm.

If I remember right there is something on the release form that you sign saying that interns may be present and participate in the procedure and the operation may be used in their training...is that correct? Most parents don't even think about that.

I know when DS was circ'd I asked for dh to be present (frowned on by dr - so we were talked out of it) and asked for anestesia (talked out of it becuase of "reactions to fairskinned boys") I hate to think that one of those little babies could have been DS! If only,if only, if only, the AAP had changed their stand a few months earlier! When we checked, AAP was still saying it was recommended for hygenic reasons so we thought it was a necessary evil. (they issued the new report in March '99 litterly only weeks after we had decided!)
post #26 of 41
That just breaks my heart. How do doctors end up so cold and disgusting? How can you ignore the pain and screams of a helpless baby?

Off to hug my boys...
post #27 of 41
How very sad. I thank the Lord everytime I read something like this that I had a girl first because I did not know better at the time. Oh my gosh. I really feel like throwing up. But thank you for sharing this. How painful it must have been for you to see....
post #28 of 41
Thread Starter 
I just wanted to make sure everybody knows that the stories I shared a year ago weren't personal experiences (I'm not a nurse) but rather the experiences of a nurse who frequented another board I was posting on at the time.
If anyone wants to use the posts to educate others, please feel free to.
Monica
post #29 of 41
My DP's mom is a NICU nurse, (now at the EVIL kaiser hospital in fairfield CA : ), but she used to wrk at a hospital here. Anyway, in the cafeteria, she heard one of the Dr's talking about either having just done a circ, or was about to do a circ, and she asked him, "If it isn't neccessary, then why do you do it?" The male DR said (with a big smile), "because that's what puts hair on your chest and makes you a real man."

She left the table in obvious disgust. I don't think she had a comeback for him or anything, but i need to ask her.

What a crazy answer. I wonder if he tells the parents that, too? That's just a disgusting attitude to have.


but the good thing about her working at the hospital was that she said 60% or so of her NICU baby boys here in FL left the hospital intact. I guess the parents decided their poor kids had already been through so much, an unneseccary surgery was just overkill. I have to ask her about this cuz i'm not sure, but I think when the parents came to visit, She would pull them aside and give them the facts so they wouldn't do it. she's sneaky that way. I'm sure in CA, she doesn't even have to worry about it.
post #30 of 41
The male DR said (with a big smile), "because that's what puts hair on your chest and makes you a real man.">>>>

Should have said circ actually reduces the function and size of the penis and makes them less of a real man!!!!

Ofcourse this belief is not uncommon.All over the world boys/people are taught circ=manhood.

sara
post #31 of 41
Please explain this belief that to be a real man, you have to suffer pain and agony. How can it make a real man from the painful experience if the man never remembers it? If anesthesia is used and there is no torture, does that mean he won't be a "real man?"

I guess I am trying to get logical, reasonable answers from the asylum!





Frank
post #32 of 41

Articles on Turkey

I came across this abstract just the other day.Hopefully I can get the full article.I have emailed quite a few people in Turkey regarding this idea of cutting the genitals= becoming a man and part of *the group*. I have to get my dh to tell me more about his own experiences as well,but he is a bit tigh lipped on the issue(understandable).
The second abstract mentions what the men remember about their own circs.Some do remember the pain,fear,shame.I am suprised to read one was happy.Maybe happy to finally have it over with since he knew it could not be avoided,but I doubt actually happy to have his penis cut!

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post #33 of 41

Sara29

Since you can't post these articles because of copyright concerns, can you post a link where we could read these on a website somewhere? Sounds interesting.
post #34 of 41

Re: Articles on Turkey

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Originally posted by Sara29
I came across this abstract just the other day.Hopefully I can get the full article.I have emailed quite a few people in Turkey regarding this idea of cutting the genitals= becoming a man and part of *the group*. I have to get my dh to tell me more about his own experiences as well,but he is a bit tigh lipped on the issue(understandable).
The second abstract mentions what the men remember about their own circs.Some do remember the pain,fear,shame.I am suprised to read one was happy.Maybe happy to finally have it over with since he knew it could not be avoided,but I doubt actually happy to have his penis cut!

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Sorry about that! Let me see if this pubmed link will work.The articles I posted are number 1,2 and 4. I am going to order the full texts through the library(hopefully they still do it for free).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...m_uid=12444288
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by notocirc
edited by moderator due to lack of permission to reprint

Does anyone know where I can find a link to this?

~Nay
: my little booby bandito, Antonin

I love my super supportive DH

Our kitties!
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by AntoninBeGonin
Does anyone know where I can find a link to this?
I'm interested, too!
post #37 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sara29
Sorry about that! Let me see if this pubmed link will work.The articles I posted are number 1,2 and 4. I am going to order the full texts through the library(hopefully they still do it for free).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...om_uid=12444288

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Last edited by Sara29 : 07-28-2003 at 07:30 PM.


Frank
post #38 of 41
That link didn't work. I'll try to find the information on the site's main page. Drat! And I was hoping to read it.

~Nay “The Intactavist Doula” : my little booby bandito, Antonin

I love my super supportive DH Our kitties!
post #39 of 41
I've never actually witnessed a circ, but know enough to know that I would never do it to a son. I work at our local hospital and had a very disturbing discussion with one of the other employees who was in one of my classes today which made me think about this. Pretty much everyone here has said that they were horrified when they saw a circ and/or heard it described. Isn't that a normal response? I would expect anyone who saw a circ to be traumatized.

However, the woman with whom I was speaking today & I were discussing different units where she might want to work at the hospital and post natal care came up. I said that I could never work there b/c one of my nurse friends who works in that dept. said that they have to assist with the circs and I could never do that. She responded that she had "unfortunately" not been able to see her first son's circ, but got to be there for her other two boys' circs and that it was "fascinating" and "wonderful" to see. Is there just something totally wrong with people who are not horrified as most of us are when they witness/hear details about circumcision?

I, too, might want to read that original article although if it is too graphic maybe not!
post #40 of 41
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edited by moderator due to lack of permission to reprint
Where can we read this? Is there a link??
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