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Would you tell the truth?

post #1 of 17
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I feel a little guilty over this, but I think it is for the best.

My mother has always objected to my homeschooling my oldest, but not the other children. It is very irritating and over the top. My first two children are a year a part. They are actually 17 months apart, but 1 grade a part, but the younger one is in all classes the older one's age. She would often say stuff like "it is fine for XYZchild but not for my <DS15>." This agendized speech was old years ago. Always, since babies, she would invite older one over and not younger one. She would want to do things for older child, but then ignore the youngers saying stuff like the youngers just need to accept that there are certain privileges to being the oldest. It used to be that she would come to some event for the older child and then the very next year, skip it for the younger child saying it just is not that important, she is busy, she is sick (she has been "dying" for most of my life).

DS15 was in public school for a long time. He always has had troubles. He does have some learning problems, but he is very smart. In fact, his private school entrance exam scores were higher than DD, even when they were both scored only against their own age groups. DS still finds the need to always find trouble, not do his school work, make excuses, even lie. We should have pulled him out of public school years ago.

DD on the other hand, went to school last year and earned all high As, even taking 9th and 10th grade level courses. DS enrolled at the same school for the spring. It was one of those combo schools where you work from home most of the time but go in for certain things like science labs, tests, assembly, things like that. Anyway, DS was enrolled in much of the same courses. First thing that happened right off is DS got caught cheating when it was time for a test. He got in trouble and did his pitiful crying that often makes people feel sorry for him, except the school was smarter than that and he still got in trouble. At the regular public school, he pulled the fire alarm. He swore up and down it was not on purpose and he just bumped it. He was crying so hard and swore he was telling the truth. I went to the school and they did find a defect with the alarm. He was with me and stuck with his story through it all. He got out of his in-school suspension. We all fell for his story. 1.5 yrs later, I find on facebook (he posted it to someone else's page recently which is why I did not see it earlier, he only just got his account) where he was bragging about pulling that fire alarm and how he got away with it. I found out about a bunch of other stuff he did too.

ANYWAY, DD14 got in to a charter magnet science and math school. DS15 swears he wants to go. I gave in and let him go in the waiting list figuring he would not get in anyway. We got a call a couple weeks ago that he got in. Fine. I am nervous about it with his history. Don't even know if I am doing the right thing giving him another chance. Cannot even feel like I can even talk to anyone about the extent to which he did wrong things in the past. If they are anti-homeschool, they just get the attitude that any school, no matter what the problems at the school or with the child, is better than homeschool, so you get no where trying to explain things.

But, beyond that, I never told my mother that my son has gotten in to this magnet school. She does not even know DD got in to it. I do not even know if we will like the school, or if it will just be another public school with watered down academics and out of control classrooms like what goes on in our local public schools. If we do not like it, I want to be able to pull the children out without my mother standing over me freaking out about how I am destroying his life and his last chance at a school. Another thing about my mother is, she knows about my son's misbehaviors but maintains that he is just a normal little boy, literally, she says "little" wanting to have fun and he should be entitled. She is not at all concerned that he only passed his classes last year because I did as much work as he did to get him through. I begged and pleaded the teachers often for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc chance. He would have flunked half his classes, literally, if my husband and I had not intervened and begged the teachers. Despite the begging, when given extra chances, DS lied to us and did not show up when we would drive him to school early to take tests and such.

I feel it is a bad idea to tell the truth about my son getting in to the magnet school. I am afraid if I do, my mother will call all the time asking how HE liked it (again, ignoring my daughter) and wanting him to come over to give all the details and so on. Plus, if it does not work out, even if it does not work out for my daughter, I want to feel free to pull both or one of them out without my mother panicking.

Would you feel guilty over this? I feel a little guilty, but I know it is for the best.
post #2 of 17
Your mom is waaaay out of line, and none of this is any of her business, YOU are the mom. if you can get everyone else out of your head,YOU know what's best for your children. I see nothing for you to feel guilty about, but I see all kinds of things to call your mother on. She sounds like a piece of work!!! I do feel sad for your daughter being neglected by her, but if you are honest with her about grandma being unfair instead of glossing it over, I think once she is older she will see that Grandma's favoritism and permissiveness didn't serve him well, and perhaps she's better off finding her own senior mentor that she can have to herself.

I have lots of chosen family I see all the time, and many blood family members who don't get to know what's going on in my day to day life, and they know if they want to see me, they better behave!

post #3 of 17
My only useful thought is that when he does go to this school, that you let him know he rises or falls on his own merits. You'll help with hw if he asks, but other than that, this is his gig.

Then stick to it. Don't bail him out. Really.

Don't tell you mom unless she asks directly.

My dad was raised by his aunts and they pulled that mess only in reverse. Lots of stuff for the 5 youngest. My older sister was "too big" for everything.

Pthththth on that. My dad said, include everyone or knock off the gifts/etc.

They decided to stop sending stuff, but did start visiting to get to know people better. The irony is that my older sister has taken on the job of tending them now that old age is here.

Bottom line: If he wants to go to school, he's signing up for everything the school asks. It's not your job to run after him and cover up his nonsense.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by chfriend View Post
My only useful thought is that when he does go to this school, that you let him know he rises or falls on his own merits. You'll help with hw if he asks, but other than that, this is his gig.

Then stick to it. Don't bail him out. Really.

Don't tell you mom unless she asks directly.

My dad was raised by his aunts and they pulled that mess only in reverse. Lots of stuff for the 5 youngest. My older sister was "too big" for everything.

Pthththth on that. My dad said, include everyone or knock off the gifts/etc.

They decided to stop sending stuff, but did start visiting to get to know people better. The irony is that my older sister has taken on the job of tending them now that old age is here.

Bottom line: If he wants to go to school, he's signing up for everything the school asks. It's not your job to run after him and cover up his nonsense.


It'll be really hard for you not to step in if he mucks it up, but I don't see any other option.
post #5 of 17
I agree with all the above. I wouldn't share the info with your mom. Even bigger, I wouldn't enable your son to fail. If he fails, he fails. Better to do it now and learn the consequences now than when he's in college or starts his first job or gets married or...never. Believe in him. That's what he needs more than anything else. "Son, you are a very capable person. I know you can do this if you choose to. Good luck."
post #6 of 17
Is it possible that she is trying really hard to connect with him and give him a positive roll model because he is so prone to getting up to trouble? I don't think that excuses ignoring your daughter, but it may be that having her to turn to can be a help for him as he continues to get older and moves away from being under your influence. If you have already talked to her about this and how it affects your daughter than I don't think it will do any good to talk again. There are some things I don't tell my mom because she is very annoying about them, but she usually finds out anyways because we live in a connected family or my dd tells her so hiding things is usually not worth it unless I am the only one who knows what is going on.
post #7 of 17
I completely support keeping family members out of the loop if it's in your and/or your children's best interest. I do it sometimes and while I was growing up my mom absolutely had to do it before my parents finally just decided to stop spending time with crazy people we happen to be related to.

I don't see it as being deceitful at all. You are just protecting yourself and your kids and your mother has really brought it on herself by her behavior. Do what you gotta do and try not to feel too guilty about it. You aren't doing anything wrong.
post #8 of 17
Your mom sounds awful--I wouldn't share anything about this with her. And, for your son, I agree with the pp that said to let him "rise or fall on his own". I don't know what makes your son tick, but he need to be accountable for his actions. It is best to learn that when you have parents at home to support you and catch you, rather than when you are on your own.

Good luck, this would be a tough decision for me. Either way, I wouldn't give my mom any information.

Amy
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by One_Girl View Post
Is it possible that she is trying really hard to connect with him and give him a positive roll model because he is so prone to getting up to trouble? I don't think that excuses ignoring your daughter, but it may be that having her to turn to can be a help for him as he continues to get older and moves away from being under your influence. If you have already talked to her about this and how it affects your daughter than I don't think it will do any good to talk again. There are some things I don't tell my mom because she is very annoying about them, but she usually finds out anyways because we live in a connected family or my dd tells her so hiding things is usually not worth it unless I am the only one who knows what is going on.
No, this started while I was pregnant. She was angry when I announced I was pregnant. Throughout the pregnancy, she would warn me that no one ever pays attention to a 2nd child (my mother was a first born). When my daughter was born, she did not even want to come to the hospital. She did, because my dad did, but in the pictures, you can see her looking away and not even looking at my daughter. She did not want to even hold her. So all this has gone on since the very beginning. My mother is just self centered and spoiled and feels free to do as she pleases.
post #10 of 17
I don't think your mother is entitled to know what's going on. I suppose I wouldn't outright lie if she asked, but I don't think you need to go out of your way to fill her in.
post #11 of 17
After a really painful trip to visit my family this past year, I decided to cut my mom mostly out of my life. That's meant that I don't share about what we're doing. I don't call her. She sounds very much like your mother, only she is that way about my older child because she doesn't like boys (apparently she never liked me either - her words - and he reminds her of me). So, no, don't tell your mother. It's none of her business.
post #12 of 17
I wouldn't tell an outright lie, but I woudln't tell her the whole truth either. From what you've described of her, I would try to talk to her as little as possible and tell her as little as possible about any facet of my life.
post #13 of 17
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My brother and my mother are pretty much the same person. My brother has no children of his home and he and my mother agree on everything and my brother pretty much runs her home. He called me tonight to ask when school is starting and I just said we already started. Which we did as the rest of the children not going to that magnet school are homeschooled. He asked if I was still going to homeschool oldest son. Then he said "poor <ds15>" Remember, ds15 is only 1 yr older than dd14. NEVER do they say poor both teens, it is always all about DS15. Both of the older kids are in high school and all but 2 classes will be the same, including same levels, this fall. Everything in their lives revolve around ds15. They even held a surprise party for his 13th birthday, and then barely acknowledged dd14's 13th bday party.

Now my brother has informed me that my son NEEDS an XBOX 360. Last time he decided something like this, he called around and got people to give him money to pitch in and make it the gift. My son is not allowed to have an XBOX 360. He already has enough game systems and we need to just concentrate on getting him through school right now, not adding yet another game system.

As it stands, dh and I have decided that once the school year starts, DS15 won't be allowed to see my mother or brother for the first several weeks, and then only if he keeps his grades up. My dh feels, and I agree, that they are just too toxic to DS. This is going to be hard as they live just across town, about 5 miles away.
post #14 of 17
Sounds like a great plan!!!
post #15 of 17
I'm glad you have a plan, and I am so glad to hear you and your dh are on the same page about this.

I agree w PPs--you have gotten a lot of good guidance here, but one thing I want to add is you are not limited in your choices to either lie or tell her/them everything. If they ask you point blank, and you do not feel comfortable telling them, say, "I don't feel comfortable discussing our dc's education with you at this point." If it starts a confrontation, and they want to know why, either tell them why or tell them you don't feel comfortable with that discussion either! You have a right to indicate that it's none of their biz (in a calm, loving way).

And never make yourself feel even a little bit guilty about protecting your DC from unhealthy relationships!

blessings
post #16 of 17
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I don't think your mother is entitled to know what's going on. I suppose I wouldn't outright lie if she asked, but I don't think you need to go out of your way to fill her in.
Yup. Why do you have to answer to her, anyway?
post #17 of 17
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Yup. Why do you have to answer to her, anyway?
She doesn't!

If my family was "toxic" to my children, they simply would not see us. End of story.

Relationships should flow in two directions. If you're getting nothing back from the love and enerfy you send out, why continue?
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