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post #1 of 47
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We have done the budget. Over. and over. and over.
DH just doesn't make as much as we need to survive. He never has. We both do every odd job or babysitting gig that we can, but it's just not enough. So, when DD1 was born we got a credit card to help us get groceries and gas. Now the credit card is maxed, we are dealing with student loans, DD2 has had two surgeries, hospital bills, and tons of doctor bills, and we are just buried.
I have been desperately searching for jobs for almost a year now and still found nothing. DH has applied for a few 'after hours' jobs and not had any luck. So, we are pretty screwed. Yes, it sucks, but through it all we are still pretty happy and content with our beautiful family. However, now that the credit card is maxed and we don't have anything left after paying rent and utilities and such, we just can't afford ANYTHING that isn't vital to living. We can't go drive 40 miles to visit people for the fun of it because we would have to give up $10 worth of groceries to do so, and that's more than an entire day's food for us.

We have just had to accept this as it is coming to us and try to get by as best as we can. But it seems like a lot of people don't really understand what we mean when we say we CAN'T do anything extra. It's not that we don't want to, it's not that we aren't working our butts off trying to find a way out of this hole, it's that we have to feed our kids.

I'm getting comments like, "well why don't we just go over your budget together, I'm sure we can find stuff to cut out" from my family. My answer is always something like, "So do you want me to cut off the electric or the water... or should we just not eat every other day?"

I am finally finding ways to make things work: I found a child to babysit three days a week so that's $90 a week. And we have decided to make the difficult transition to moving into a 1 bedroom apartment with all bills paid, which will make up for the rest of our "negative-income" each month. And we have considered letting our car go so we wouldn't have the car payment, we can't sell it because we are $12,000 upside-down on it. We just haven't quite felt desperate enough to let our credit go so easily yet.

However, we still won't really have "extra". So how do I get people to understand? POVERTY EXISTS. We are truly struggling financially and we didn't just decide to be completely broke.
post #2 of 47


It sounds like your family is trying to be helpful. Why don't you tell them what you wrote here?
post #3 of 47
This is so frustrating. I also find it frustrating to read things about "how to get by on less money" and realize that I am doing everything plus more. I don't know, maybe take your family up on their offer? Maybe they will have ideas to help that you had not thought of or at the very least they will realize what the situation really is and stop bugging you about it?
post #4 of 47
we just moved into a 1bd to help pay off debt. it isn't too bad at all and it is saving us a lot so we can hopefully get caught up and start saving.

do you qualify for any kind of assistance?
post #5 of 47
I'm sorry it's so hard for you guys. It's true that some people just can't conceive how it is to truly live on the bare bare minimum.

Hang in there! it sounds like the move will be a good thing
post #6 of 47
I was wondering, too, if you could get any help, like food stamps or medicaid so you don't end up with more medical bills.

But other than that, I wanted to say I know what it feels like when you just can't do a lot if things others do, or go out and buy stuff with short notice. We haven't had credit cards in over 7 years - and there were times when we struggled and had to choose between paying the electric bill or feeding our family (and no, we didn't qualify for food stamps, so I can understand how you might not either - yet still be barely making it). People who haven't BTDT don't get it.

I hope things get better for your family soon.
post #7 of 47
This exact thing happened to me this past weekend. I never have a lot of money and I struggle but I can usually find aobut $20 per month to do something fun like buy ice cream or go out with a friend for coffee once or twice. So I had plans for Saturday night for a ladies night with friends and I called said friends on that day telling them about the catastrophic thing that happened with my finances this past week and that I wouldn't be able to go but maybe next month it would be possible. MAYBE. And I hear the, "well can't you just find $20?" Ummmmm, no. Do you not understand that I just told you that half my money went down the toilet this week and I may not make rent? That doesn't include the rest of the bills, much less play money. $20 is non-existant. They just don't get it. The person who said this to me is not good with finances and blows all her money each month and lives with family so she's not fianncially responsible for anything but maybe her cell phone????? She doesn't understand that play money can't happen when you are responsible for yourself and 3 small children and rent and utilities and food and all. If you don't have the ;money, you can't just pull it outta your butt somehow. It just isn't there.
post #8 of 47
You mention student loans. If you haven't already, ask them about the "Income based repayment plan". We are on medicaid and FS and we pay 0 on our student loans based on our income. The unsubs do continue to accrue interest, but at 3.25% and when the money would come from my childrens' mouths, so what? If I continue to be low-income for the next 25 years (PLEASE GOD NO!), then the whole loan will be forgiven...
post #9 of 47
If they are close family, why not let them look at your budget? We did that with my MIL, who is on SSI disability. We helped her move to a different apartment, added her to my cell plan (an extra $20/mo for us), and we take her with us to costco so she can get cheaper tp/detergent, etc. We did find inefficiencies, but mostly we saw the help she needed. Maybe if your family saw your circumstances in writing they might pitch in. (My gma used to buy all of my school clothes when I was little cause my mom didn't have the $)
post #10 of 47
I'd be very reluctant to let my family in on my financial business but it's worth a consideration depending on your circumstances. But I probably wouldn't

I'm sorry, that sounds very frustrating.

I'm just curious, do they have reason to think there's extra room in your budget? Meaning, do they see you still have the TV on, or do you drive an ok car or something? Or maybe your kids are enrolled in lessons? This is not what it sounds like, not a lecture from me on how you can cut those out - if you think there is one or two or a few things that make your family think that you are getting on fine and just complaining about money, perhaps you should address those head-on. "No, we really can't afford to make the drive. Perhaps you're thinking that since DD has piano lessons that we're ok, but you should know that they are a gift from ____ (or state-funded or WHATEVER)." "Yes, we have a 2003 Nissan Whatever but we paid for it in cash before this all started happening, and you know we'd lose money by downgrading it."

Anyway, some things can just lead people to think that you're doing alright and maybe that's the issue for them mentally. Some people - and you're obviously not one of them - just like to complain, and it's almost a point of pride to complain about all the stuff they can't afford. And then you see them with a big screen TV or whatever and think "yeah right." So your relatives may be thinking of such people and thus really not getting it.

Glad to hear it's getting a little bit better, hope that trend continues.
post #11 of 47
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I was wondering, too, if you could get any help, like food stamps or medicaid so you don't end up with more medical bills.
We are just barely over the line to get helps. And looking at the raw numbers we SHOULD be fine, however, my husband is a teacher and only brings home about HALF of what he makes. The crap deducted from his check is ridiculous, our stupid health insurance is absurd. His gross is too much for help, but they don't take into account what he actually brings home, unfortunately.



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$20 is non-existant. They just don't get it. The person who said this to me is not good with finances and blows all her money each month and lives with family so she's not fianncially responsible for anything but maybe her cell phone????? She doesn't understand that play money can't happen when you are responsible for yourself and 3 small children and rent and utilities and food and all. If you don't have the ;money, you can't just pull it outta your butt somehow. It just isn't there.
Exactly. Most of our friends/family have someone else paying for their major expenses. Some of them don't have to pay ANYTHING and still get help from the government too. Some of them get free childcare so they are able to work, when I can't even find a job that would cover childcare. And I can't blame them for having the help, it's wonderful they are able to have that! But we don't have that kind of help and they don't seem to 'get it'. Like my sister, she doesn't have to work, pay bills, ect and my mom watches her baby on a regular basis so she can go out and so she can do schoolwork. Great for her, seriously! But it's like she doesn't understand when I say, "no I can't drive all the way out there because I literally have NO gas, and no, I can't go to the re-sale shop because we can't buy clothes, not even used at this point."

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You mention student loans. If you haven't already, ask them about the "Income based repayment plan". We are on medicaid and FS and we pay 0 on our student loans based on our income. The unsubs do continue to accrue interest, but at 3.25% and when the money would come from my childrens' mouths, so what? If I continue to be low-income for the next 25 years (PLEASE GOD NO!), then the whole loan will be forgiven...
Thanks for the info! We actually both decided to go back to school...your way sounds much easier, lol.

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It sounds like your family is trying to be helpful. Why don't you tell them what you wrote here?
I just don't want them to think I'm complaining or begging for help or something. It's embarrassing to be quite honest.

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I don't know, maybe take your family up on their offer? Maybe they will have ideas to help that you had not thought of or at the very least they will realize what the situation really is and stop bugging you about it?
I've considered it, but I'm really hurt by the fact that they seem to think we are totally incompetent and need help adding and subtracting. But you have a point that they might stop bugging us so much. I think that's the most frustrating thing about it all, is that my family just doesn't believe that it is possible and therefore assume I'm somehow at fault here even though I am working my butt off to survive.

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I'm just curious, do they have reason to think there's extra room in your budget? Meaning, do they see you still have the TV on, or do you drive an ok car or something? Or maybe your kids are enrolled in lessons?
We do drive a fairly nice car (2008 nissan rouge), it was the biggest mistake of our financial lives up to this point. It has a lot of miles on it, it has already started braking down and we still owe $24,000 on it. And it's only worth about $12,000 tops, so we can't sell it. So yes, we have a nice car, but the only way to get rid of it is voluntary repo and that would screw our credit for years to come (and our credit now is excellent, which is the ONLY way we have survived this long). We have considered it anyway though. When we bought the car, things were looking up, hubby was graduating college and we really thought everything was going to be working out.... Turns out, not so much and now we're stuck with the damn thing and it's $570 a month payment. We even tried refinancing, but they won't do it because we are so upsidedown
Also, my kids do have nice furniture, but my mom bought it and I don't feel right selling it because I don't want to hurt her feelings. We have sold pretty much everything else decent that we had. And if my family ever gets clothes, extras, toys, ect it's only because i find it for free on freecycle or craigslist or because a Grandma gave it to them.




I guess I'm just tired of being judged and misunderstood over something I can't seem to fix.
post #12 of 47
You quoted me, but I didn't say all that It's okay - just mentioning it. I do it, too, when trying to multi-quote sometimes.

That's a crazy high car payment, but I know what it's like to feel stuck when you are so upside down. If $570 a month will make a big difference in your budget, you might consider letting it go (voluntary repo). Especially if it is breaking down. You might end up with a vehicle that needs a lot of work or isn't running, that you still have to pay for each month. I know it sucks, and would be a big ding on your credit, but it might work out for the best in the long run. Of course, you'd have to find another means of transportation and then the financing company will likely still send you a bill for the difference in the car's value vs what you still owed. It's a crappy situation to be in.
post #13 of 47
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post
You quoted me, but I didn't say all that It's okay - just mentioning it. I do it, too, when trying to multi-quote sometimes.

That's a crazy high car payment, but I know what it's like to feel stuck when you are so upside down. If $570 a month will make a big difference in your budget, you might consider letting it go (voluntary repo). Especially if it is breaking down. You might end up with a vehicle that needs a lot of work or isn't running, that you still have to pay for each month. I know it sucks, and would be a big ding on your credit, but it might work out for the best in the long run. Of course, you'd have to find another means of transportation and then the financing company will likely still send you a bill for the difference in the car's value vs what you still owed. It's a crappy situation to be in.
Woops, sorry, lol. I think I fixed it.

And yes, that car payment is horrid, and the bill that you get at the end after they auction it is what scares me most. From what I have learned from my mom (she's had 3 repos), we would likely owe around $18,000 after the repo. So the way I'm looking at it is: we're screwed by having the car, but in the end we'll be even more screwed if we let it go.

But the difference in rent and utilities that we are looking at is going to be almost $500 a month so I don't think we'll need to let the car go if we can get moved. We just have to find a place that will let 4 people in a one-bedroom. I know it's possible, it's just going to take some work to find a place that allows it.
post #14 of 47
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Woops, sorry, lol. I think I fixed it.

And yes, that car payment is horrid, and the bill that you get at the end after they auction it is what scares me most. From what I have learned from my mom (she's had 3 repos), we would likely owe around $18,000 after the repo. So the way I'm looking at it is: we're screwed by having the car, but in the end we'll be even more screwed if we let it go.

But the difference in rent and utilities that we are looking at is going to be almost $500 a month so I don't think we'll need to let the car go if we can get moved. We just have to find a place that will let 4 people in a one-bedroom. I know it's possible, it's just going to take some work to find a place that allows it.

If you don't own your home now, and the car is a burden and unpside down financially- coupled with medical bills... I would say, it sounds like a situation where I would consider bankruptcy. Yes, it will impact your credit, but you can rebuild that, and the difference in your quality of life may be significant.

It won't discharge student loans- however this program http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebA...ancelstaff.jsp
might be something to consider.
post #15 of 47
Letting the car go and still ending up paying 18k doesn't make any sense - at least if you keep paying on it, you have a vehicle. That really stinks, though. I agree that if it cones down to it, bankruptcy might be worth it; however, it sounds like with the move you guys will be okay. Then hopefully you'll catch a break and life will only improve from there. I hope at the very least those around you start to realize that you really don't have extra money to spend and charging it isn't an option.
post #16 of 47
Can I ask a stupid question? I have no advice about your situation, only sympathy, because that does suck. But why does your husband have half his paycheck deducted each month as a teacher??? Is that taxes? Will you get that back at the end of the year?
post #17 of 47
The car situation does suck. I might mention to any doubting thomases in your family outright - "Probably you think we have a lot of extra money and are just complaining, since we're driving around a nice '08 Nissan. But you should know that car was a huge mistake and we're totally stuck. (expand from there)" Like I said, address the issue head-on, because while your situation makes sense, I can also see how someone could look at a family driving such a nice car and thinking "surely they have ten bucks for gas." Maybe they would be a lot more understanding and supportive once they got that misconception straightened out.
post #18 of 47
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The car situation does suck. I might mention to any doubting thomases in your family outright - "Probably you think we have a lot of extra money and are just complaining, since we're driving around a nice '08 Nissan. But you should know that car was a huge mistake and we're totally stuck. (expand from there)" Like I said, address the issue head-on, because while your situation makes sense, I can also see how someone could look at a family driving such a nice car and thinking "surely they have ten bucks for gas." Maybe they would be a lot more understanding and supportive once they got that misconception straightened out.
This is what I was thinking. At first when you said you were $12,000 upside down on your car loan, my thought was, "Well, yeah, no wonder you're having trouble. That is huge!!" However, I understand how situations can go from looking okay to being dire, especially in this economy. And once you recover from this, I'm betting you won't make that mistake again. Brand-new cars are suuuuch a money-sink for the most part. But, what's done is done. As the pp said, maybe a straight-out acknowledgment of the facts would help your family "get it."
post #19 of 47
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Can I ask a stupid question? I have no advice about your situation, only sympathy, because that does suck. But why does your husband have half his paycheck deducted each month as a teacher??? Is that taxes? Will you get that back at the end of the year?
I'm not the OP, but probably required pension contributions and union fees make up part of that if he's teaching in public school. Then taxes, medical, etc.

Teaching often isn't like corporate employment, where, for example, you can opt out of saving for retirement if you need the money. Since in many public school systems you must opt out of being able to receive social security upon retirement, you have required pension contributions instead (which are often higher than social security contributions; more equal to social security+a pretty high 401k contrib).

I remember when I was desperately looking for anything a few years back and looked into subbing . . . the small amount I was going to receive for each day of subbing after the pension, union, and federal/state taxes were deducted made it not worth the effort.
post #20 of 47
As far as the car, I did a voluntary repo a couple of years ago due to financial problems. It didn't affect my credit as much as a regular repo would. They say they can come after you for the difference of what they sell the car for and what's owed on it, however they don't and they can't collect on it- that's why it's a repo, either way it's done.
If you spent 2-3 months of your car loan payment on a clunker, you'd be able to change your car insurance to just liability and that would be cut considerably as well.. It's an option.
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