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post #1 of 12
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hey ladies, i know i've asked here before, but i swear i lost the list of books i made back during pregnancy. if you feel like posting what's been helpful to you, i'd appreciate it. i'm staring down charlie's 4 month appointment, and haven't made any firm decisions yet, other than delaying (so far).

thanks!
post #2 of 12
The vaccine book by Dr. Sears
post #3 of 12
Right off the bat, I wholly admit to being as fluffy as I feel I can reasonably be here, ie. I mostly follow the AAP recommendations and schedule. No one in either side of the family has ever had a vaccine reaction, and some of the diseases vaccinated against really do scare the hell out of me. However, I delay Hep B until, say, it's relevant. I haven't seen Mercy skulking around the door, trying to get out so she can score some IV drugs, so I figure we're ok for a while.

I also skipped the Rotavirus vaccine at this point, but will probably start that at 4 or 6 months old. Before 6 months old, breastfeeding has a protective effect against rotavirus, but I will add it in when she's going to solids.
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Right off the bat, I wholly admit to being as fluffy as I feel I can reasonably be here, ie. I mostly follow the AAP recommendations and schedule. No one in either side of the family has ever had a vaccine reaction, and some of the diseases vaccinated against really do scare the hell out of me. However, I delay Hep B until, say, it's relevant. I haven't seen Mercy skulking around the door, trying to get out so she can score some IV drugs, so I figure we're ok for a while.

I also skipped the Rotavirus vaccine at this point, but will probably start that at 4 or 6 months old. Before 6 months old, breastfeeding has a protective effect against rotavirus, but I will add it in when she's going to solids.
I'm with you on this. I used to be more anti-vax, but now that I've had one kid with respiratory issues who tends to get REALLY sick when he gets something, I've completely changed my tune. We'll start at 6 months.
post #5 of 12
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The vaccine book by Dr. Sears
do you know what the latest addition/edit is? things change so fast, with the schedule, with the preservatives, etc...
post #6 of 12
Briefly, LNF, don't you have to start the RV series before 12 weeks in order for it to be effective? I may be misremembering this... RV is not one we do.

Hi P&H!

I liked the Stephanie Cave Book and the Sears book. Unfortunately, as you say, things change so quickly that those book already seem outdated. As far as I can tell, though, some vaccines (such as the DTaP) haven't changed much in the past few years. I also liked The Virus and the Vaccine (about the monkey virus in polio) just because it gives some insight into the system and the problems therein. I read Evidence of Harm a while ago... I remember thinking there were some interesting parts and Vaccine: The Controversial Study of Medicine's Greatest Lifesaver. I wish I could tell you which of those last three books was the best and what was good/bad about each, but I read them years ago, and they run together in my mind.

Anyway, unfortunately (maybe), I do get a lot of "up-to-date" information from the internet. Some of it does come from scientific journals and mainstream news sources. I do read Barbara Loe Fisher's blog and occasionally check the NVIC. I wouldn't consider those sources unbiased, but they do often cite journals, and if I want to read more, I can read the journal articles themselves. Honestly, I don't have the time or inclination to be reading every issue of Pediatrics (and the myriad other journals), and those online sources often pull together a lot of interesting material for further reading.

Here's what we're doing--
Nothing for now. I have no interest in the Hep A, Hep B, or HPV vaccine. If any of my children decide to have themselves vaccinated with those as adults, that's their decision. I question the long-term value of the PCV vaccines and HIB (because of serotype replacement); also, breastfeeding gives great protection against HIB. HIB, in my understanding, is most dangerous in small babies, and you don't get full immunity from the vaccine before the 4th dose at 12 mos... that's a lot of vaccines (at 2, 4, 6, 12 mos) for not even full efficacy. IMO, the Rotavirus vaccine is popular because of the rapid spread of orally/fecally transmitted diseases in setting where small children congregate (day care and nursery facilities) and we don't use either one. DD and I caught the worst virus I have ever experienced from two fully vaccinated children (so either the vaccine didn't work, or it wasn't RV) Also, the history of safety with that vaccine isn't great.

That leaves MMR, DTap, Varicella, and Polio (aside from the chicken pox, these are the only vaccines most of us received). I will probably (maybe) do MMR after age 4, because if you wait that long only one dose is necessary
(info in Sears book). I don't think the IPV is very reactive, but I also question it's efficacy (since, in countries where Polio is endemic, the OPV is necessary). I'm undecided. DTaP is, from all I can read, possibly the most reactive vaccine (or possibly it just shows up in the vaccine reaction records because so many doses are given?) DD had three doses with no reaction. DS won't have any until he can talk to tell me how he is feeling afterwards. I hope all my kids have chicken pox for natural immunity; if they don't, I would probably encourage the vaccine around age 12.

Wow, that's a lot. I hope it's helpful!
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by MaterPrimaePuellae View Post
Briefly, LNF, don't you have to start the RV series before 12 weeks in order for it to be effective? I may be misremembering this... RV is not one we do.

Hi P&H!

I liked the Stephanie Cave Book and the Sears book. Unfortunately, as you say, things change so quickly that those book already seem outdated. As far as I can tell, though, some vaccines (such as the DTaP) haven't changed much in the past few years. I also liked The Virus and the Vaccine (about the monkey virus in polio) just because it gives some insight into the system and the problems therein. I read Evidence of Harm a while ago... I remember thinking there were some interesting parts and Vaccine: The Controversial Study of Medicine's Greatest Lifesaver. I wish I could tell you which of those last three books was the best and what was good/bad about each, but I read them years ago, and they run together in my mind.

Anyway, unfortunately (maybe), I do get a lot of "up-to-date" information from the internet. Some of it does come from scientific journals and mainstream news sources. I do read Barbara Loe Fisher's blog and occasionally check the NVIC. I wouldn't consider those sources unbiased, but they do often cite journals, and if I want to read more, I can read the journal articles themselves. Honestly, I don't have the time or inclination to be reading every issue of Pediatrics (and the myriad other journals), and those online sources often pull together a lot of interesting material for further reading.

Here's what we're doing--
Nothing for now. I have no interest in the Hep A, Hep B, or HPV vaccine. If any of my children decide to have themselves vaccinated with those as adults, that's their decision. I question the long-term value of the PCV vaccines and HIB (because of serotype replacement); also, breastfeeding gives great protection against HIB. HIB, in my understanding, is most dangerous in small babies, and you don't get full immunity from the vaccine before the 4th dose at 12 mos... that's a lot of vaccines (at 2, 4, 6, 12 mos) for not even full efficacy. IMO, the Rotavirus vaccine is popular because of the rapid spread of orally/fecally transmitted diseases in setting where small children congregate (day care and nursery facilities) and we don't use either one. DD and I caught the worst virus I have ever experienced from two fully vaccinated children (so either the vaccine didn't work, or it wasn't RV) Also, the history of safety with that vaccine isn't great.

That leaves MMR, DTap, Varicella, and Polio (aside from the chicken pox, these are the only vaccines most of us received). I will probably (maybe) do MMR after age 4, because if you wait that long only one dose is necessary
(info in Sears book). I don't think the IPV is very reactive, but I also question it's efficacy (since, in countries where Polio is endemic, the OPV is necessary). I'm undecided. DTaP is, from all I can read, possibly the most reactive vaccine (or possibly it just shows up in the vaccine reaction records because so many doses are given?) DD had three doses with no reaction. DS won't have any until he can talk to tell me how he is feeling afterwards. I hope all my kids have chicken pox for natural immunity; if they don't, I would probably encourage the vaccine around age 12.

Wow, that's a lot. I hope it's helpful!
wow, yes! i clearly need to do the reading i planned. i'm jealous of the place where you are, the grasp you have, and i'm frustrated with myself that i'm not there already. maybe i'll just tell my dr. i want to delay at least til 6 mos, for now...

stephanie cave certainly has a lot of detractors. i'm glad to see her as a source from someone i know is well-read.

keep it coming ladies!
post #8 of 12
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stephanie cave certainly has a lot of detractors. i'm glad to see her as a source from someone i know is well-read.

keep it coming ladies!
Oh dear! I'm not sure I would describe myself as such; also, Cave's book was the very first one I read, so I'm not sure I would have noticed inaccuracies? I guess my conclusion, after everything I have read, is that the more you read, from the more sources, the better. There is almost always something of value, if you take the whole with a grain of salt.

There was an interesting article in the WSJ this weekend about how pharmacies are using flu shots (far earlier than the usual administration season) to lure consumers into their stores to see improved layout and product selection You can buy flu shot giftcards!. So ridiculous.
post #9 of 12
Reading your thread made me want to go back and research more myself, and I just noticed that a revised, updated edition of Cave's book was just published. I just requested it from my library.
post #10 of 12
We loved the Sears book and vaccinate very similarly to LNF. I'm happy to share our schedule if anyone's interested; just PM me.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Peace+Hope View Post
do you know what the latest addition/edit is? things change so fast, with the schedule, with the preservatives, etc...
I know he puts updates on his website. DD1 was vaxed mostly on schedule. We were living on campus at the time and there was a mumps scare and that along with the pediatrician scared us into vaxxing. With DD2 we're mostly following Dr. Sear's schedule. She gets 1-2 vaccines a visit for now. I'm right in the middle - the vaccines scare the heck out of me and so do the diseases. I feel like there is no right answer......Also having an older kid has changed my perspective a bit. I know if I had to take my 4yr old to the doctor every couple of months for a shot because I had delayed until now, she'd freak and it would be a huge emotional trauma, whereas with a baby that isn't an issue. So that is another thing to weigh for me.
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