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post #1 of 16
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I guess this is just a vent. My mother has been extremely supportive of my parenting choices up to this point and even defended me when MIL got after me for getting into the habit of nursing DS to sleep. But she is concerned about me because I have been sleep deprived since DS was born and I am now in therapy for suspected PPD (although the psychologist thinks my symptoms may just be related to sleep deprivation). I'm also failing miserably at getting any housework or food preparation done during the day because DS is not good at napping and can't be put down for very long. But I was never good at housework or cooking before DS came along either.

So today my mother was lecturing me on how I need to put him down more so I can get things done and I told her that I do put him down and do a little bit at a time until he needs to be picked up again. Then she asked if he sleeps in his crib now, and I said, "Yes, he is getting much better at sleeping in his crib! He usually naps there and starts out the night there." Of course, today he would not nap in his crib. He kept falling asleep elsewhere (usually on my lap) and screaming when I tried to put him down. But then she said that for my own health and sanity, I need to teach him to always sleep in his crib. I laughed it off at first but she went on to explain that (although she previously told me that she did not support crying it out) he would learn to sleep in his crib if he had no other options. That is to say that once he is fed and changed for the night, if I left him instead of taking him into my bed when he started to cry, he would eventually get exhausted and go to sleep.

Later this evening, my father explained to me that while it is cruel to ignore the baby when he wakes up hungry in the night, once he is comforted and fed, he needs to learn that it is time to sleep. By leaving him alone in his crib and closing the door, he will eventually realize that there is no point in crying because no one will come so he will give up and go to sleep. I said something about damaging the parent-child relationship and he just laughed and said, "Yeah, you and your brothers are really damaged." He repeated that it is not cruel to do this as long as the baby is fed. This conversation infuriated me and I didn't say anything for the rest of the visit, not only because of the unsolicited advice, but also because my mother had previously told me that she never let us CIO as babies, but I learned otherwise today. However, my father said that I never really did cry like my brothers did.

I just sent them both a bunch of links on why CIO is potentially harmful, but I am reading through them again, just for reassurance. I feel like everybody I had for support is turning against me on this issue. First my friends, who swore that they would never use the CIO method and then did; then the public health nurses, whom I trusted on baby-related matters; then my doctor, whom I did not really trust but didn't expect a lecture from; and now my parents. Of course MIL and FIL have been pushing CIO since the beginning, so I never did count on them.
post #2 of 16
I hear you. My parents adore DD, and they help us out SO much, but my Dad will gently remind me that it's "OK" to let her cry herself to sleep, and my Mom will try to put DD down in her crib wide awake, presumably so she'll learn to fall asleep on her own. Ay-ay-ay. I know they let my sis and I CIO, and I know they love us wonderfully, but my instincts are different and I'm willing to put up with less sleep now for the hope of it paying off later. I just wish they'd get behind my decisions 100%.

That said, I also remember how much help my mother was during the first few months after DD was born--when I thought sleep deprivation and new parenthood were going to make me lose my mind. She told me she found it odd that her priority at the time was me, and not DD--then she realized by taking care if me, I'd then be able to take care of DD. So my mother was still looking after her own baby, 36 years later.

Your Mom and Dad are probably worried about their baby, too, even if you have your own babe to take care of. I guess we never really grown out of our parent roll.

Hugs to you--it's tough!
post #3 of 16
It may be that they see you interacting with your baby in a way that worries them right now and they are trying to help you feel like it is okay to take a break and meet your needs once you know your babies needs have been met. My mother encouraged me to wean my dd when our relationship spiraled into a tense one because I couldn't stand nursing and once I did our relationship changed again for the better. That one little thing that I was so set on doing because I was sure it was best for my dd was actually not because it had developed into something I couldn't stand to do, I was tense and angry around one issue that leaked into my whole parenting style and finding a solution for that one thing helped everything get better. We had a great nursing relationship for 2 and a half years and I don't think you should wean because it really is a wonderful thing to do, this is just an example to say that maybe for you making sure your child never ever cries may be causing more harm to your relationship than a little crying when you really need to get some sleep.

In the moment it is hard to really see what is going on with the relationship, but once you find a solution and are able to get more sleep you may find that the lack of sleep was causing you to be a different type of mom than you thought you are being now and you may really appreciate the feedback from your family. I know I really appreciate my mom not giving up when it came to encouraging me to find a way to get back to my good relationship with my dd by offering advice about what she saw as the cause of my tension.

If you aren't already doing this, nap whenever your baby naps and give co-sleeping all the time a try. It may help a lot. Even if co-sleeping doesn't help, sleeping when your baby sleeps is an excellent way to get a lot of sleep.
post #4 of 16
So, I don't have much experience, nor do I really know what you're doing now to deal with things, BUT there's this really great mom and babe group I go to and the facilitator is this AMAZING woman and she had some really great suggestions for helping babies learn to sleep a bit better....maybe they can be helpful for you.

One thing she said was for babies that have REALLY short or seemingly non-existent deep sleep cycles (who seem to constantly be in shallow sleep and therefore wake easily and often), she recommended spending a few days really watching them sleep and as they come out of one sleep cycle and SEEM to be waking to take that moment to place a hand on them and jiggle softly or whatever seems appropriate and try to get them back to sleep before they come totally awake. If you can manage to get them back to sleep without picking them up and if you do this often enough, hopefully they should start sleeping longer. The theory here being you are helping them learn to come out of a sleep cycle and enter into another WITHOUT coming fully awake.

The other thing she recommended was if they do fall asleep somewhere (like in the carseat or the stroller) on a fairly regular basis then you can build a routine off of that. So for example, if your baby sleeps in the stroller when your go for walks, start going for a walk everyday at the same time. Once your baby is in that habit, start placing your baby in the stroller and not going for walks, just rocking it a bit until baby falls asleep (or the whole time baby is sleeping if s/he keeps waking up when you stop at that point) and them progressing to just putting baby in the stroller to nap without rocking it, and so on... (I don't know if this would work with a carrier because I think it would be more difficult to transition away from mommy's bodyheat/smell/movement).

Anyways, this was advice given to someone else in my group so I haven't tried it. And I realize this doesn't really help with night time sleep and I don't know if naps are always difficult for you but maybe there is something there you can adapt or something that might help you out a bit...
post #5 of 16
First - you don't need to discuss with your parents. You don't need to get them to agree with you. You're the parent and you're doing what's right for you. If it's not working, tweak it a little - try cosleeping, you may find you sleep better - all of you - I sure did.

Second - if you at least want your parents off your back a little.....my dad was giving me a hard time about letting kids cry when ds1 was a baby. I was trying to reason and logic, but my dad is always right. We argue politics to no end, he's always right and when I start to make a logical point, he spins into another conversation....but that is another post. He was telling me about 'crying being good for the lungs' and 'oh, they're fine'.

I finally gave up and said to him 'Fine. You're right. Crying and screaming is good for the lungs. There is no reason for me to attempt to try to figure out what's wrong. I'll remember that when you're old and feeble and in a nursing home unable to speak. I'll just let you cry and scream until I can deal with it b/c crying is good for the lungs and I don't need to bother to try to figure out what you need.'

He finally got the point and quit giving me a hard time. However, my dad is rather thick headed sometimes (see the always right thing above), so it was necessary for me to phrase it this way. I wasn't mad at all, but had to get a bit overdramatic.

Good luck.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments. We have been cosleeping to various degrees and sometimes it works better than others. We went through a phase where he was way too active to sleep with me, so we side-carred the crib, but then I couldn't safely leave him in the bed so we put the 4th wall on, but it is still up against the bed so it keeps him from falling out once he ends up in bed with me. He is getting better at not thrashing around and at sleeping longer stretches. Last night actually went really well, despite him going to sleep an hour late due to my parents' visit.

Anyway, there was a good point made, and it leaves me with a question: Which is more harmful for babies? CIO or having a mother who is too tired to respond warmly--just enough to meet basic needs?
post #7 of 16
First--hugs! I've been there, with the spottily sleeping in-arms infant. It's exhausting! And having someone you're close to try to talk you out of doing what you think is best for your child is extra stress and pressure when you least need it.

Second--I would warmly advise you to stop engaging in this conversation with your parents. You love them and want to treat them well, but you can do that without engaging in a debate over your parenting choices. Instead of finding ways to convince them of your point of view, I would focus on finding nice ways to basically say, "It's not up for discussion" and "You did things your way with your kids; I'm doing things my way with my kids--period." You are the parent and you are the authority in this situation. (And believe me, if you establish yourself as the authority whose decisions aren't up for negotiation NOW, then you're doing yourself a huge, huge favour in the long run!) Thank them for their concern, and offer them ways to help you that don't involve stepping on your parenting style. Perhaps if you give them a household task to do every time they start fussing they'll catch on quicker.

Third--would you like some in-person support? If you're on the South Shore I'll come bring a meal over and do a round of dishes while you take a nap. If you're somewhere else in NS, I bet I know someone in your area who you can connect with... a choice between a too-tired mom and CIO isn't a choice you should have to make.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by matthia View Post
So, I don't have much experience, nor do I really know what you're doing now to deal with things, BUT there's this really great mom and babe group I go to and the facilitator is this AMAZING woman and she had some really great suggestions for helping babies learn to sleep a bit better....maybe they can be helpful for you.

One thing she said was for babies that have REALLY short or seemingly non-existent deep sleep cycles (who seem to constantly be in shallow sleep and therefore wake easily and often), she recommended spending a few days really watching them sleep and as they come out of one sleep cycle and SEEM to be waking to take that moment to place a hand on them and jiggle softly or whatever seems appropriate and try to get them back to sleep before they come totally awake. If you can manage to get them back to sleep without picking them up and if you do this often enough, hopefully they should start sleeping longer. The theory here being you are helping them learn to come out of a sleep cycle and enter into another WITHOUT coming fully awake.

The other thing she recommended was if they do fall asleep somewhere (like in the carseat or the stroller) on a fairly regular basis then you can build a routine off of that. So for example, if your baby sleeps in the stroller when your go for walks, start going for a walk everyday at the same time. Once your baby is in that habit, start placing your baby in the stroller and not going for walks, just rocking it a bit until baby falls asleep (or the whole time baby is sleeping if s/he keeps waking up when you stop at that point) and them progressing to just putting baby in the stroller to nap without rocking it, and so on... (I don't know if this would work with a carrier because I think it would be more difficult to transition away from mommy's bodyheat/smell/movement).

Anyways, this was advice given to someone else in my group so I haven't tried it. And I realize this doesn't really help with night time sleep and I don't know if naps are always difficult for you but maybe there is something there you can adapt or something that might help you out a bit...

I did both of those things and they totally work! Really helped us get into a consistent nap routine as well as longer sleep cycles. And yes, the ergo was his nap place for about 6 months - in the middle of winter. I did lots of laps around the mall. LOTS. But he slept.

It sounds like you are both exhausted. That is such a hard place to be. Just remember, this will pass. Hang in there.

Oh, and forget the housework. Who cares? Sleep, eat. Beyond that, eh. The dishes will still be there.
post #9 of 16
Have you tried baby-wearing? It was the only way my kids slept, and the only way I got anything done.
post #10 of 16
hi, I'm a NS mom too! So sorry to hear you are having a hard time, and that you feel like you are losing all your support system. I agree with what pp have said, you are the parent and only you know what is right to do with your child.

My mom's friend gave me a piece of advice at a baby shower they had for me and my DD. She said to remember that at the end of the day, it is only you who has to live with the decisions that you make about your baby- no one else. So when you people are telling you to do this and do that with your baby, remember that if you can go to bed at night feeling good about those decisions, whatever they end up being, than you will be doing the best thing for you and your baby, or something to that effect.

Trust your instincts and do what feels right for you and your baby.

Also, as other posters have said, I get that it can be hard for our parents so see us struggle. If you are worried about getting things done around the house, and your mom is "lecturing me on how I need to put him down more so I can get things done", maybe instead of trying to get you the CIO with your baby (which she knows you don't want to do) she could come over and be of some actual help, with cleaning and cooking, while you go and rest and sleep with your baby.


Hope you get some more sleep soon
post #11 of 16
(Feel free to take the following with a grain of salt, as my baby hasn't quite made it earthside, but I have found these things helpful when dealing with parent/ILs.)

I just would not engage in this conversation with your parents. I have found that by saying something along the lines of, "this is how we are doing things right now. If we decide they aren't working for us, we will change what we are doing." It tends to shut down the conversation a bit and stops my mom or ILs from giving further advice. I say it warmly and calmly and always keep "you have raised your kids your way, I will be raising mine" in my back pocket in case the suggestions don't stop. I am very close with my mom/ILs and they understand that I am not making unresearched decisions in how to care for my little one.

I would also recommend the sleep when the baby sleeps option. This makes sense to me and I plan on doing so. Does your son like to be worn? Perhaps spending some awake time strapped to mom while she does housework would work out well for everyone. (In my head I imagine you waking from a nap with baby, strapping him to your body, turning on some fun music and interacting with him, dancing and talking, while doing the tidying and washing.)

Hope you find some relief soon.
post #12 of 16
It sounds to me like your parents are speaking out of concern for their child. They know you are exhausted, and they see the impact it is having on you.

I wouldn't engage in the nighttime parenting discussion, but I would ask them to help you if they can. Ask for help with meals, ask for help with cleaning, ask for them to take an afternoon outing while you just take a nap for a couple hours- once or twice a week. Figure out a concrete way for them to help their child and they may back off about the rest.

I know my parents, who totally understand that I will not do CIO etc, advocate getting my kids to sleep on their own pretty early- at about a year they think that they *should* be able to sleep independently. My middle child did very well when put down to sleep in his crib on his own from about 6 months on, and that is when he began to really sleep through the night well. He is the only one of the three, however.

My youngest is 11 months old, and absolutely will not sleep alone- at all- or for any length of time. He's exhausting and the sleep deprivation PPD combo is trying- to say the least. My mom often mentions that we can just let him CIO and he will learn. So, one day I was at their house, and he was overtired. I put him in the pack and play so he could sleep, and walked out. He woke, screaming, and wound himself up in the two minutes I stayed out of the room (I really really had to use the bathroom!). I picked him up, put him in the carrier so he was worn and he was fast asleep and calmed within five minutes. She had to see it, and the impact the different approaches had on him, to understand that this child is just not one who will do ok with CIO. I haven't heard another word, but she does tell me now how wonderful the carrier is.
post #13 of 16
You know, i did the exhausted thing for months, trying to keep up w the housework during every nap AND staying up late to do more while still getting up every 2 hrs during the night. I worked myself right into exhaustion. Pretty much the same place it sounds like you are.

Eventually i came to the realization that i cant do it all. I sat down w my dh and laid it out for him. And this has worked for us for the last 6 or 8 mos. I do all the cooking, but if i can't manage that day, we get takeout (maybe once/month). Some night dinner is sausages and salad - 10 minutes in the kitchen while he plays w the baby. Some nights i get dinner in the oven during nap time, some nights we have leftovers or a quick pasta dinner.

Dishes get done by me 3x/wk. Between times, they pile up. If it bothers him, he's free to wash/load the dishwasher. During the week, the only other chore i'm responsible for is diaper laundry. I do the rest of the laundry and the grocery shopping on the weekend, and we each do whatever other chores we want to. Most things might only get done once a month or if we're expecting guests.

I lay down w the baby almost every day, and get a long nap (2 hrs) a couple times a week still. My DH was resentful of that for a long time, but i finally broke down for him precisely how much sleep i was getting each night while he peacefully snored away, and he mostly stopped complaining.

I will say that the stroller trick the pp mentioned really worked for us. And even now at almost a year he takes one long and one short nap almost every day.

Another idea noone's mentioned is a mothers helper. I have one come by periodically. He doesnt do diapers, but if i change and feed right before he comes over, i can have 2 hrs of mostly uninterrupted me time. Mostly i do projects (sewing, canning, etc.), but i could take a nap by myself.
post #14 of 16
They're operating from a place of love so I would try to not get upset with them.

But I wouldn't engage them in the discussion either. By printing out articles and giving them to your parents, you're saying, "This is open for discussion." I think you'd be better off gently saying, "This is what I've decided. I do appreciate your concern for me." And then not getting into it with them.

Things will improve. It's just a matter of time and your little one will start to sleep a bit better. I agree with a PP that babywearing might help until then, and I read a lot of other good suggestions in this thread as well.
post #15 of 16
I'm wondering how old your baby is, and how much sleep you're actually getting? Have you kept a record or log/journal?

To what the others have written, I would only add, don't underestimate the importance of sleep for you. In my family, mom's sleep is now one of our highest priorities! This was after a bout of anxiety and depression which I hope you don't experience, but which taught everyone, if mom doesn't get her sleep, the wheels fall off the whole shebang, and she can't take care of anyone.

It was amazing how much better I felt once I regulated my sleep. I was like a whole new person, able to cope like my old self. Some people are more sensitive to sleep loss than others, and you may be one of those, especially if you are being treated for PPD.

Please be good to yourself! Your baby will thrive with a well-rested mother!
post #16 of 16
One silly question and one piece of cliched advice:

Do you have a baby carrier you can nurse in?

Sleep when the baby sleeps.

Especially until you're better rested, because if you're tired enough to have it look like ppd, you aren't functioning well enough to really accomplish anything during the baby's naps anyway.

The other thing I'd be looking at is nutrition. Because you aren't cooking, and you're holding a baby all the time, are you getting enough to eat? Could you get your mom to make you some casseroles or something?
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