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Epic sleep battles with my 3.5yo

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I was hoping we were done with the sleep struggles, but this time it's all new and certainly no less infuriating.

DS is 3.5yo, has always been an EXTREMELY high needs kid, never slept more than 45min in his first year of life, never slept more than 2 hours in his second year of life. He stopped napping at 2, and we did everything humanly possible to keep him from napping unless he seemed to desperately need it past 2.5yo because he would be up til 1AM or later if he did.

At 2.5, we discovered melatonin and it has been a life and sanity saver. We try not to use it all the time, most of the time he is tired enough at bedtime if he doesn't nap, but some days it really is necessary for him to take a very small dose to get him over the wiggling-like-a-crazy-person hump to go to sleep.

We have a short routine, jammies, pee, teeth, stories, bed. But he is fighting it like never before. He's hungry. He's thirsty. He's hot. He's cold. He's scared. He's nervous (can't say why). It's too light. It's too dark. He has to poop (we've tried and he never really needs to). He has 82803832780780578849038908290 questions that have to be answered RIGHT NOW. He wants his socks on. He wants to sleep naked. He wants Daddy to do it. He wants Mommy to do it. On and on and on and on, and yawning the entire time.

I've tried rubbing his back, "sleepy" stories (using a monotone voice and telling a story about animals at the zoo going to sleep), rocking in a chair, listening to music, whatever would work. Then I've also tried completely ignoring him and telling him that the rule is to lay down in bed or I will have to leave the room (I hate this rule, but it's the only thing that seems to keep him in the bed). I've tried letting him do it alone, and this usually results in him melting down because he is scared, although he can't articulate why. I'm not going to force him to do bedtime alone if he's scared. I've even let him nurse a few times, even though he's been weaned for a long time now. If I don't engage at all, he does all sorts of wacky things to get my attention - blowing raspberries, kicking his feet, waving his arms, sticking his feet in my face, trying to undress me, trying to hang my bra strap on my ear, pulling my hair, etc. I don't let him hurt me, but it goes on like that for a long time.

I had gotten to enjoy bedtime with him finally because he would just snuggle up close to me and listen to a story and pass out in 20 minutes. This is awful! I want my enjoyable reconnecting time back! DH can only handle about 30 min of him before he starts to lose it. That's enough time for me to get my 17mo to bed and then take over. For an HOUR AND A HALF. Just in time for my 17mo to wake up and need me again. I spend all night putting kids to bed this way.

Is this an age thing? Is there some developmental thing that I should be aware of? Growth spurt? Crazy pills he's sneaking? Did anyone find that their 3.5yo just didn't need as much sleep anymore and you could just put them to bed later?

Right now he's waking around 7 or 7:30 and going to bed at 7:30 or 8. He gets about 1:30-2 hours of outside exercise time per day. He eats incredibly well and is plenty hydrated. Help!
post #2 of 5
Our sleep-fighter here has been (now 4 y/o) dd1. Took hours to fall asleep as a baby, needed lots of help to stay asleep, wasn't napping any more at 2 either. AND she has always tended toward staying up late (I think if I was able to let her self-regulate, she'd have 11:30 bedtimes - but the rest of us like me & dd2 can't handle that). Anyway. . .

She seems to keep herself awake longer having me or dh around, doing stuff, asking the millions of questions. I found I could do all the regular bedtime stuff (change to pj's, go to bathroom, brush teeth, then sit in bed and read or talk a bit) and then say 'oh, mommy needs to get my pj's now, how about I come back after, I'll be just a sec'. She'd be fine with me going out, changing, I'd come back and read another book or talk more then 'I need to pee/brush my teeth.' I'd come back and repeat with my other bedtime stuff, needing to leave the room briefly (she'd calm down herself - me not being there) if she seemed really sleepy, I'd lie with her doing deep breathing and she'd fall asleep really quickly instead of heading in and out, then she started to fall asleep herself while I was out of the room. Now I'll ask her if she wants me to come back or not and if she's asleep I just tuck her in and all if not I lie a bit and then let her know I need to go do something else, but it's been really reassuring to her worries (doesn't want to be lonely/alone) and taken a lot of the former pain out of our bedtimes and been a big help (esp with dd2 who loves going to bed calmly too ).


I'll add, that if bedtime is really bad and wearing on you - you'd be fine to adjust bedtime a half hour or so (if it works with your general schedule) we're more like 9p bedtime/up around 8. Dd1 is asleep by 930 (or 10, or worse), we do have to start bedtime/winding down around 730, but we often end up in bed and staying in the bed around 830, and sometimes (if it seems like it going to be a fight or too-long bedtime) she'll do some quiet activities in bed for longer than usual while we wait to do the 'help falling asleep' thing.
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I've tried rubbing his back, "sleepy" stories (using a monotone voice and telling a story about animals at the zoo going to sleep), rocking in a chair, listening to music, whatever would work. Then I've also tried completely ignoring him and telling him that the rule is to lay down in bed or I will have to leave the room (I hate this rule, but it's the only thing that seems to keep him in the bed). I've tried letting him do it alone, and this usually results in him melting down because he is scared, although he can't articulate why. I'm not going to force him to do bedtime alone if he's scared. I've even let him nurse a few times, even though he's been weaned for a long time now. If I don't engage at all, he does all sorts of wacky things to get my attention - blowing raspberries, kicking his feet, waving his arms, sticking his feet in my face, trying to undress me, trying to hang my bra strap on my ear, pulling my hair, etc. I don't let him hurt me, but it goes on like that for a long time.
Oh my, I think my DD must have been separated from your DS at birth... DH and I were at our wit's end with the endless leg kicking, sitting up in bed, questions, doll dressing, etc.

There's nothing more frustrating than having to spend an hour and a half sitting in the dark with your little one, hoping against hope that she'll stop the shenanigans and fall asleep.

We finally got it all to stop about a month or so ago... it was a long, desperate road to get there. Like your DS, DD was always a terrible sleeper. We were so tired of getting mad at her at bedtime... yes, she was just being her very spirited, energetic, persistent self but it was driving us batty... so we took a few drastic measures:
  1. Eliminated her nap for a few weeks.
  2. Told her that Daddy had to do some "chores", so she would have to stay in her room alone while he did...
  3. ...buuuuut if she was still awake when DS fell asleep she could come into our room (she hated sleeping alone). I promised her that I would come check on her as soon as DS was asleep.

For whatever reason this was the magic formula for us. I think the only reason it worked is that she was tired enough by the end of the day that she didn't have to "wait up" very long for me - she just passed out instantly since it was quiet in her room. Oddly enough, she was actually excited about Daddy having to do his "chores" and would ask what Daddy needed to do at bedtime each night.

I think the main problem was that someone was in there with her. Yes, I know that's what she wanted and felt she needed (she was very afraid to be alone) but it was almost too distracting. It think we were hindering her ability to go to bed, and since she's such a spirited toddler it was almost too stimulating to have someone in there anymore.

Many hugs to you - I've been there!!!
post #4 of 5
Yep, I will say that bedtime has always been terrible with my 3.5 year old and we just tried this magical "Oh, I have go to do ____. I'll be back in [my son likes exact times!]." plan. I was skeptical since he doesn't usually "allow" me to leave the room for any reason whatsoever, BUT it worked!! We only had to check back 3 times. I didn't think to tell him he needed to stay in bed the first time and he jumped up as soon as I left; after that it wasn't a problem.
Ok, ok, so this is our first night so maybe I am getting ahead of myself, but he has NEVER been able to fall asleep alone before and he just did. I'm so excited!!
Reading these forums and talking to other parents has taught me that 3 year olds are pretty much the worst (joking, joking), so good luck.
I hope you find something that works for you!!
post #5 of 5
Yay! Yay!

It's about 10 minutes too late to try this with DS, as DH just joined him with the ipod after finishing his chores. Maybe one of us should have checked and left again. But maybe tomorrow night.

Yesterday, he fell asleep like magic at 7:18, but this was because he missed his nap.

Maybe some epsom salts in the bath, too? (although if a child is significantly deficient in magnesium, this may jazz them up)
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