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post #1 of 8
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I'm asking about this for my cousin (she knows I am asking about this on her behalf). She needs some advice on how to handle a three year old whose jealousy towards her younger sister is getting "out of control." Her three year old daughter is having a very hard time with jealousy regarding her little sister and it's spilling over in her dealings with other children. I posted about her before when my cousin asked the guests to bring a gift for the older child to the birthday of the youngest child.

"Angie" is three years old. A very smart, articulate little girl. Smart as a whip! Her mother has caught her shaking pepper and salt into her sisters cereal when the mom turns her head. She hits her and pinches her. Sometimes when my cousin is looking and sometimes not. My cousin says Angie is doing things that go beyond what she considers normal for sibling rivalry. She repeatedly tells her mother mean things that she wishes would happen to her sister. She won't repeat what she's said because she said it's to vile and hurtful.

I've had the chance to witness Angie's behavior myself. I want to say she has always been good with DD and until recently was very pleasant to be around. When we go out I always bring snacks for both of them in their own containers. I witnessed her (she thought I wasn't looking) take snacks out of DD's hand and tell her, "It's mine now!" I told her if she wants to share we can share but she isn't to remove snacks from another persons hand. She said sorry and that was that. No biggie! Ten minutes later she starts to rub DD's face in an affectionate way. I thought how sweet until I bent down to pick up some money I dropped (she thought I couldn't see) and put her hands over DD's mouth!

The little girl who used to laugh all of the time is very sullen child and unhappy. She won't speak when she's spoken to and isn't playing well with others. She kicked a child in the playground and her mother doesn't want to take her anywhere because she does mean things to other children.

I've done what I can do in terms of watching the youngest so my cousin can spend some alone time with Angie but I was honest with my cousin and told her I can't have Angie around. After the hand over the mouth incident DD doesn't want to be around her and frankly, I don't want to be around her. For two weeks after the incident she repeated over and over, "Mama,Angie not nice. Angie not nice. No Angie mommy."

I am the mother of one child and have no experience with this. My cousin has no idea what to do about her daughters behavior. The pediatrician says it's normal and incorporate time outs which aren't working. She also spends time alone with Angie when she can. My cousin goes back to work full time after Labor day and is afraid to leave Angie in a daycare.

She's open to any suggestions. TIA.
post #2 of 8
I found the book Siblings without Rivalry very helpful. It has examples of how to handle different situations as they come up.

I also wonder if either of the parents have a "poor Angie" attitude about the new sibling. I've seen parents do this and I think it is very toxic to their children. Angie is lucky and blessed to be in a bigger family and a sibling is a gift you get to keep your whole life. While transitioning to the new set up can be difficult, if the parents are new regretting the new baby or wondering if they did the right thing because of "poor Angie," I believe they are making the situation worse.

Angie is capable of learning that she isn't the center of the universe and that other people can be loved without it taking any thing away from her. If the parents see this as an opportunity for her to GROW, she'll get over it faster.
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I found the book Siblings without Rivalry very helpful. It has examples of how to handle different situations as they come up.

I also wonder if either of the parents have a "poor Angie" attitude about the new sibling. I've seen parents do this and I think it is very toxic to their children. Angie is lucky and blessed to be in a bigger family and a sibling is a gift you get to keep your whole life. While transitioning to the new set up can be difficult, if the parents are new regretting the new baby or wondering if they did the right thing because of "poor Angie," I believe they are making the situation worse.

Angie is capable of learning that she isn't the center of the universe and that other people can be loved without it taking any thing away from her. If the parents see this as an opportunity for her to GROW, she'll get over it faster.
Thank you for replying and for the great suggestions!
post #4 of 8
I think taking her sister's snacks is an age-appropriate act, so that wouldn't concern me as far as major sibling rivalry.

Honestly with what you've described, and the fact that it extends to other children, I don't think it's entirely sibling rivalry. I would guess something else is going on with her - though I don't know what, so I'm not much help.

I had friends whose son had major, major problems with his little sister when she became mobile, but it was confined to his sister. If it had included other children, I wouldn't have thought it was a sibling thing.
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I think taking her sister's snacks is an age-appropriate act, so that wouldn't concern me as far as major sibling rivalry.

Honestly with what you've described, and the fact that it extends to other children, I don't think it's entirely sibling rivalry. I would guess something else is going on with her - though I don't know what, so I'm not much help.

I had friends whose son had major, major problems with his little sister when she became mobile, but it was confined to his sister. If it had included other children, I wouldn't have thought it was a sibling thing.
I agree with you in regards to the snacks and your other points too. The other behavior was more alarming. I'm not sure what my cousin is going to do but I'll continue to lend her an ear although I have no advice to offer her other than the book suggestion.
post #6 of 8
how old is the sister? seriously my dd is pretty harsh with ds soemtimes but really they do play together and laugh and hug a lot of the time too. i honestly doubt angie is getting enough one on one time. and seriously making her out to be the enemy will only make things worse. my dh tends to think just because dd is older she shouldn't hit ds etc but really he will usually start it (not that this matters) but she will be reading a book and he will pester her until she gives him a big shove. i don;t punish or alienate either one. we just talk it through and usually everyone is okay. i think time outs in this situation are not helpful.
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Originally Posted by gbailey View Post
I'm asking about this for my cousin (she knows I am asking about this on her behalf). She needs some advice on how to handle a three year old whose jealousy towards her younger sister is getting "out of control." Her three year old daughter is having a very hard time with jealousy regarding her little sister and it's spilling over in her dealings with other children. I posted about her before when my cousin asked the guests to bring a gift for the older child to the birthday of the youngest child.

"Angie" is three years old. A very smart, articulate little girl. Smart as a whip! Her mother has caught her shaking pepper and salt into her sisters cereal when the mom turns her head. She hits her and pinches her. Sometimes when my cousin is looking and sometimes not. My cousin says Angie is doing things that go beyond what she considers normal for sibling rivalry. She repeatedly tells her mother mean things that she wishes would happen to her sister. She won't repeat what she's said because she said it's to vile and hurtful.

I've had the chance to witness Angie's behavior myself. I want to say she has always been good with DD and until recently was very pleasant to be around. When we go out I always bring snacks for both of them in their own containers. I witnessed her (she thought I wasn't looking) take snacks out of DD's hand and tell her, "It's mine now!" I told her if she wants to share we can share but she isn't to remove snacks from another persons hand. She said sorry and that was that. No biggie! Ten minutes later she starts to rub DD's face in an affectionate way. I thought how sweet until I bent down to pick up some money I dropped (she thought I couldn't see) and put her hands over DD's mouth!

The little girl who used to laugh all of the time is very sullen child and unhappy. She won't speak when she's spoken to and isn't playing well with others. She kicked a child in the playground and her mother doesn't want to take her anywhere because she does mean things to other children.

I've done what I can do in terms of watching the youngest so my cousin can spend some alone time with Angie but I was honest with my cousin and told her I can't have Angie around. After the hand over the mouth incident DD doesn't want to be around her and frankly, I don't want to be around her. For two weeks after the incident she repeated over and over, "Mama,Angie not nice. Angie not nice. No Angie mommy."

I am the mother of one child and have no experience with this. My cousin has no idea what to do about her daughters behavior. The pediatrician says it's normal and incorporate time outs which aren't working. She also spends time alone with Angie when she can. My cousin goes back to work full time after Labor day and is afraid to leave Angie in a daycare.

She's open to any suggestions. TIA.
how bad? honestly again, she is 3. i have said some horrid things to my brother and we are still bffs. my dd has said she wanted to put "her baby" (ds) in the trash. she was really frustrated with him that day and she wanted to get rid of him! really i think she is reading into it too much...

oh and the reason i find it has been helpful to not judge the situation right away. she doesn't get punished for say hitting her brother, we just attempt to fix the situation. i ask her "oh man brother got hurt! what can we do to make him feel better? i hate when he is sad!" and she will come over and apologize or pat him. yes 5 seconds later they are up to the same thing but really its life and no one is worse for the wear. with this approach she is really honest with me and not afraid to tell me the truth about situations. for instance i go to the wash room for a sec, hear ds crying, so i come in "what happened? oh poor ds. he is so upset!" "yeah i boomed him. like this *does punching motion in air* he was pullingmy hair" "we need to be gentle with each other." etc blah blah

having 2 is soooo hard. i spend a lot of my time making sure they don't hurt each other.
post #8 of 8
The little girl who used to laugh all of the time is very sullen child and unhappy. She won't speak when she's spoken to and isn't playing well with others. She kicked a child in the playground and her mother doesn't want to take her anywhere because she does mean things to other children.


This part bothers me, actually. When did the behavior change happen? Just before or after the birth of the sibling? Because, not having any other information to go on, this sounds like something bigger. She could be experiencing some depression because of the very big change in her life, or she could be dealing with some other kind of trauma. At any rate, it is *normal* to take things out on those closest to us (it feels the safest, especially when we're small), but it wouldn't hurt to talk to someone other than the pediatrician if the passage of time and positive time spent with her parents doesn't change her behavior.

FWIW, there's really nothing to discipline here. It's perfect to be firm with boundaries (i.e. we don't hit our friends/siblings/etc.), but she's still young enough to be redirected with love. There's a reason she's acting out, and it's best to address that rather than concentrate on the symptoms.
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