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Should I say something or not?

post #1 of 20
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Little bit of backstory.

My ex left for another woman. The boys were 9 and 12 at the time. It was a shocking, confusing time for the three of us. Their dad is on active duty, so he was deployed here and there, and after he permanently transferred he married the woman. He didn't tell anyone....not even his sister or parents. We all just sort of figured it out after awhile.

Anyway....fast forward six years. I just learned that he is in the process of adopting his stepdaughter. He hasn't said anything to the boys, who are now 15 and 18. 18yo is working full-time, but 15yo intends to go visit his dad (out of state) for a couple of weeks in the fall. Maybe even next month, if ex can get off his arse and get his leave in order, get the plane ticket, etc.

Aside from these once-a-year visits, he has pretty much estranged himself from the kids. He sends money, but never calls, emails, nor even chats when he sees them on XBOX Live. Any communication, which is seldom, is initiated by my 15yo DS. They haven't been acknowledged for Xmas or birthdays for the past 2.5 years. Honestly, it pains me to see my DS asking his dad for a visit. You'd think the man would want to see his own flesh and blood that he lived with for nearly ten years. If and when DS gets down there, I'm pretty sure it will hurt to know that his dad adopted a child without telling him. He's adopting another child when he can barely be bothered with his own!

Should I prep him, or just let his dad be the one to hurt him....again...? If I say stuff, it sounds like I'm bad-mouthing their dad. Makes me look like the bad guy. Maybe I should just let the man make his bed and lie in it. I'm just tired of him hurting my kids.
post #2 of 20
Hmm, that's a tough situation to be in. You want to prepare your kids for hurt yet you don't want to be the one to hurt them when it's clearly your ex doing the hurting. I think that I would probably tell my kids but only because you don't want them to find out about her then find out you knew about it and didn't say anything to them. I would just casually say something like "I heard your Dad is adopting his new wife's daughter so I guess that means you're getting a new sibling." And let him voice his frustration/anger/hurt. He may decide that it's hurtful enough to not visit him after all and you would want him to be able to make that decision now. I'm sorry your ex isn't a part of his children's life. I can't understand a man like that.
post #3 of 20
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Should I prep him, or just let his dad be the one to hurt him....again...? If I say stuff, it sounds like I'm bad-mouthing their dad. Makes me look like the bad guy. Maybe I should just let the man make his bed and lie in it. I'm just tired of him hurting my kids.

I sat a long time and thought about this situation. My dd is young enough that there haven't quite been the complicated emotions involved with teenagers so I haven't had to deal with this sort of thing yet. However, I think you should say something in a neutral way. I would stay away from anything that could be construed as bad-mouthing. Just state the facts. "Hey, sounds like your dad is adopting (insert name here). Maybe you'll get to spend some time with her when you visit." Then let him ask questions from there, but still keep it light and fact-based. I'm sure he's a smart kid and probably already can sense what YOUR feeling is about it, but that's beside the fact, kwim?

I've struggled with the whole "let him make his bed and lie in it" too but I always come back to what's best for my dd and ultimately, I think for her mental health, it's better that I do tell her some things even if he's going to be a jerk (IMO) and "leave her out of the loop."
post #4 of 20
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Thanks, ladies. I think I will also talk to my older son before talking to DS2. DS1 won't take the news badly...he will not be surprised, in other words, that his dad has done another sneaky thing. And he'll help me with perspective regarding DS2.

I'm also wondering if this is going to screw with my child support.
post #5 of 20
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Thanks, ladies. I think I will also talk to my older son before talking to DS2. DS1 won't take the news badly...he will not be surprised, in other words, that his dad has done another sneaky thing. And he'll help me with perspective regarding DS2.

I'm also wondering if this is going to screw with my child support.
He might get a small deduction for her depending on what state you live in. We live in Ohio and get a small deduction per child for our children from his gross income amount but I doubt it will be enough to really make much of a difference with one child. Most states don't even do that though... but he will be able to request a review since it's a life changing event but hopefully he won't realize that.
post #6 of 20
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He might get a small deduction for her depending on what state you live in. We live in Ohio and get a small deduction per child for our children from his gross income amount but I doubt it will be enough to really make much of a difference with one child. Most states don't even do that though... but he will be able to request a review since it's a life changing event but hopefully he won't realize that.
We're already up for review because of DS1's age. I don't know how it works elsewhere, but in RI the NCP has to petition the courts to STOP paying child support. So, this adoption might come up at our court date (yet to be determined).
post #7 of 20
Honestly, I don't see what it will accomplish to tell them. Adopting a step-child isn't really something that changes things for kids, it just changes the legal implications for the adult doing the adopting, and possibly emotionally for the child being adopted.

They already have a step-sister who lives there and has a relationship with their dad, and she gets to see them when they don't. THAT'S the hurtful part, and they are already well aware of it. In my mind, the adoption falls into the category of "adult stuff" that kids don't need to be burdened with.
post #8 of 20
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Honestly, I don't see what it will accomplish to tell them. Adopting a step-child isn't really something that changes things for kids, it just changes the legal implications for the adult doing the adopting, and possibly emotionally for the child being adopted.

They already have a step-sister who lives there and has a relationship with their dad, and she gets to see them when they don't. THAT'S the hurtful part, and they are already well aware of it. In my mind, the adoption falls into the category of "adult stuff" that kids don't need to be burdened with.
My kids are closer to being adults than to being kids. If they were 4 and 7, I probably wouldn't think twice about it.
post #9 of 20
I would tell them.

My Dad came and went as he pleased all my life, still does it and I am 34. I was on to him at an early age as I am sure your kids are too. My Mom was negative when speaking about him, which I don't think is good even though she was telling the truth, at the time it still hurt to hear what I instinctively knew. I think being factual in a positive way is good.

My other thought is.... (which you know) he really has no right to adopt another child! My BLAH! side of me wants to nark him off to whomever says he can legally adopt them! Gawd, who is his current wife and why is her head in the ground? I dunno, my Dad has been married 6 times and she thinks she is #3..... gosh.

I bet though somewhere in the paperwork process or when he has to sign on the dotted line, his heart/conscious will hopefully speak to him that he has his blood children in the world, hope it wakes him up. KWIM?

Good luck to you.
post #10 of 20
Unless it's a done deal, it may or may not happen. It's my opinion that it's not your place to tell your kids. Leave it to Dad.
post #11 of 20
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My kids are closer to being adults than to being kids. If they were 4 and 7, I probably wouldn't think twice about it.
*shrug*

Obviously it's up to you, and I don't know you or your kids. But I'm an adult now and I *still* have no desire to know about the "adult stuff" that went on between my parents as far as custody, child support, etc. What matters to me is my relationship with each of my parents, not the relationship between my parents. I've always been thankful that my parents kept their opinion about each other and their behavior to themselves and just let me develop my own relationship with each of them, whatever that relationship looked like and how they felt about it.

But, again, thats me and my 2-cents... just figured I'd offer a different perspective than other people were giving.
post #12 of 20
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Gawd, who is his current wife and why is her head in the ground?
His current wife is the woman he left me for. Her child's father was involved with the little girl when she and my ex first got together. I even met the guy once. I don't know what happened since I don't talk to my ex unless absolutely necessary, but apparently the girl's father's whereabouts are unknown.

As hard as it is for NCPs to keep up with their kids' lives, it seems to be even harder when the armed forces are involved. In choosing to leave me, my ex also chose to leave his kids behind. He hasn't lived in the same state as them since 2005...and two of those years he was overseas. I suppose his wife thinks she's super special if he gave up everything for her.

And, since neither of them seem to have any sense of committment or ethics, I wonder how long before one of them screws around, destroys the marriage, and he has yet another child to support until she's 18. I think the girl is 6 or 7 now.
post #13 of 20
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What matters to me is my relationship with each of my parents, not the relationship between my parents.
This doesn't have anything to do with a relationship between their dad and I. I know a boy who is 15 (his mother is a friend of mine), and he was extremely hurt when he discovered that his biological father had a child with a girlfriend and never told him. He felt he should know if he has a sister out there in the world. His family didn't learn about the baby's birth until she was almost 2yo.

I don't see an adopted sister as being much different. My boys have spent time with the girl when they visit their dad...they don't see him often but the visits have been lengthy ones, two months at a time. If she's to be their legal sister and share their name, I think they would want to know.
post #14 of 20
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And, since neither of them seem to have any sense of committment or ethics, I wonder how long before one of them screws around, destroys the marriage, and he has yet another child to support until she's 18. I think the girl is 6 or 7 now.
I am grateful you are strong for your kids and help them find some balance. You have a good sense of what is right for your family (my vibe from your writing).

I hope it works out.
post #15 of 20
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Honestly, I don't see what it will accomplish to tell them. Adopting a step-child isn't really something that changes things for kids, it just changes the legal implications for the adult doing the adopting, and possibly emotionally for the child being adopted.

They already have a step-sister who lives there and has a relationship with their dad, and she gets to see them when they don't. THAT'S the hurtful part, and they are already well aware of it. In my mind, the adoption falls into the category of "adult stuff" that kids don't need to be burdened with.
Knowing he adopted his step child will more than likely affect his bio children actually. I know how much it affected me that my father was completely out of my life save for a few brief meetings when I was 11 before he completely disappeared again but my older half sister actually LIVED with him.

Knowing their father is willing to be more of a dad to someone else's biological children when he can't even be a dad to his own biological children will definitely affect them. Doesn't matter the age. Sure, the step child LIVES with him right now, but actually ADOPTING that child will send a pretty clear message that he wants to be that child's DAD... not just married to their mom. There is definitely a difference, and it will more than likely hurt. It doesn't just change legal implications and emotionally for the child being adopted... it will affect emotionally for the children who are cast aside to adopt this child.

With that said, I think it would help minimize the blow if they know BEFORE going to dad's. They will be more prepared for how things might play out. I also like the idea of asking DS1 what he thinks about how to approach this issue with DS2. He probably has insight only a sibling can usually have.
post #16 of 20
What's the benefit of you telling your son that his dad adopted another kid? It'll make it easier for him to hear? Since it won't make it easier for him to hear, your ex - who did the damage - should have to be the one to tell him. Maybe the awkwardness of that moment will force him to have a glimpse of how rotten he has been. Even people who are really disconnected with their feelings know, deep down, that if it's difficult for you to tell someone something, there may be something wrong with it.

You shouldn't spend too much time marveling over your ex's choices. Weak people avoid things that make them feel guilty. He has every reason to feel guilty, with respect to your kids. Weak people replace things that require effort (like repairing his relationship with your kids) with things that are easy (like being the hero who plays Daddy to his girlfriend's fatherless child).

Despite all the complex, hurt, furious feelings you and your sons must have, it's likely as simple as that. And when your sons ask you why their dad is the way he is, that's probably what you should tell them. And then you should tell them that you know them through and through and they're not weak and the way they can prove they're better than their dad is by someday being the kinds of husbands and fathers that they deserved for their dad to be.
post #17 of 20
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You shouldn't spend too much time marveling over your ex's choices. Weak people avoid things that make them feel guilty. He has every reason to feel guilty, with respect to your kids. Weak people replace things that require effort (like repairing his relationship with your kids) with things that are easy (like being the hero who plays Daddy to his girlfriend's fatherless child). Despite all the complex, hurt, furious feelings you and your sons must have, it's likely as simple as that.
Honestly, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about him. It's only when things are brought to my attention that I tend to let myself become annoyed once again. Most of the time, he's as distant in my thoughts as Santa Claus is. The boys rarely speak of him. I do agree that he's weak and cowardly. I think it's funny that the Navy's core values are "Honor, Courage, Commitment," and he lacks all three.

FWIW, he called today (it's DS2's birthday) and they talked for about an hour. I'm glad for that, at least. He didn't call for DS1's birthday, nor for either of their birthdays last year.

I do appreciate all the perspectives given here....even the ones I disagree with.
post #18 of 20
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I don't see an adopted sister as being much different. My boys have spent time with the girl when they visit their dad...they don't see him often but the visits have been lengthy ones, two months at a time. If she's to be their legal sister and share their name, I think they would want to know.
But, again, this is Dad's information to give them. My ex's side of the family had a big "family secret" that our kids really did need to know about. But it was not my place to tell them. And ya know, when the time was right, their Dad did. Both kids knew I knew about it. Neither thought it was horrible that I didn't tell them - they actually respected the fact that I left it to him to share the information when he felt the time was right.
post #19 of 20
Regarding the adoption, I don't have much to say other than to agree with many who have said it isn't your place to say anything.
About your 15yo asking his dad for a visit, if your ex is the great guy you've made him out to be your ds may be trying to figure it out for himself. At the exact same age I had to do the same thing. I knew my father was a moron without ever having been told but I still had to fly 2000 miles from home just to figure it out for myself. I got my feelings hurt, my heart broken but that did mend and I then had a much better relationship with my mom and step-dad.
I don't know if this helps you at all but I thought I'd share my experience to give you my perspective.
post #20 of 20
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About your 15yo asking his dad for a visit, if your ex is the great guy you've made him out to be your ds may be trying to figure it out for himself. At the exact same age I had to do the same thing. I knew my father was a moron without ever having been told but I still had to fly 2000 miles from home just to figure it out for myself. I got my feelings hurt, my heart broken but that did mend and I then had a much better relationship with my mom and step-dad.
And yes, there is this... I've been divorced for... ~11 years now. And I know how hard it is NOT to say negative stuff. My tongue is pretty well bit through by now. But... it's stuff the kids need to work out on their own. I've always talked their Dad up to them, covered for him at times, etc. Last year? He didn't acknowledge our daughter's (15th) bday. She was upset. And I'm thinking.... he wouldn't ignore it on purpose, so I dropped him a line (as *I* would like if I were on his end of it) that she was a bit out of sorts, and I thought I'd let him know that his card got lost in the mail. Bit my head off. But still nothing. This year? I kept my mouth shut when Bday 16 came and went. And that was, sadly, the "ah hah" moment for her. (Let me add that she has always been "his" child.)

It's tough. But this, too.... they need to figure out for themselves. They will not thank you for unveiling their Dad.
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