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post #1 of 8
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What the heck do you do when your 7 yr old flat out refuses to do something?
Lately when I tell my daughter to do something she says no, and could care less what the consequence is.

This is just one example:
Tonight I called the kids to the table for dinner.
She would not come to the table.
This was after an episode of telling me Im the worst mommy because I didnt have a long raincoat for her to play in the rain.
She decided that her brothers was better and longer and the one she has is lousy. She was SO ANGRY at me because of this.
I remained calm and told her I wish I had another one that she liked better, but I dont.
Anyway, she wouldnt come to the table and went on and on about how horrible I am. She was creaming and yelling and saying she wont listen.
I told her to go to her room till she cools off. She refused and started threatening to throw things. She would pick them up and aim them at me, but wasnt throwing them. Then she was picking up pillows and stuffed animals and throwing them to get a reaction.
I told her she was going to have to go to bed. She refused.
I physically brought her to her room and she ran out and darted past me.
SHe went outside for about 15 minutes. When she came back in she said
"I dont care what consequence I get" She continued to yell and scream and say awful things to me.
I eventually yelled at her about how she was acting and told her how upset I am that she is being like this.
I took 2 of her favorite stuffed animals (which I know doesnt work and is so random, but I am desperate and this kid is so out of control!)
Now she asked for her dinner to be reheated and of course I did it. She is sitting at the table alone and eating. She will probably go into her room for the night and even say she is sorry and wishes she didnt do that.
What the heck though? What do you do when a child completely disobeys you and treats you so disrespectfully?

I just want to point out that I also have a 5 yr old boy. He is very high energy, but is well behaved and responds to the same discipline methods.
He wants to be behave well and never takes things this far.
post #2 of 8
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Originally Posted by mom2happy View Post
Now she asked for her dinner to be reheated and of course I did it.
This. If she can't come to the table and eat like a civilized person when dinner is ready, then she can eat it cold by herself.

I would probably phrase it:

"Dinner is from 6 to 6:30. If you choose not to eat with us, you certainly may eat by yourself but I will only be cooking dinner once tonight. Hope you're there!"

You can't control what SHE does but you can control what YOU do.
post #3 of 8
I second post #2. If my kids are in a bad mood and refuse to come to the table with everyone else to eat then they can either eat cold food (and risk that everything they like eating will have been consumed already) or they can go hungry.

I'm also wondering why she was allowed to go outside after all that but having three kids and being 8 months pregnant I can sympathize that there is often no way of physically making a child that age do something they don't want to do.

If it were me I would take the rain coat away all together. When my kids express that they are very ungrateful for something they have that is not a necessity it is taken away. If it continues to be a big issue then the item is donated with the understanding that another child will appreciate it more.
post #4 of 8
It sounds like she was so upset that she didn't care what the consequences were going to be.

If she gets so upset that she doesn't care what the consequences are going to be, then it doesn't make sense to focus on giving her consequences, since this isn't likely to change her behavior.

It sounds like she is having trouble managing her emotions, particularly anger. It also kind of sounds like the raincoat wasn't the real issue. Do you have any sense that there was something else driving her anger and she was using the raincoat as a kind of focus point? Do you think it would help her to sit down and come up with a plan for how she could buy a new raincoat if she wanted, with her own money, or possibly trade something with her sibling for the right to borrow the raincoat, or some other problem-solving activity? Or was she after something else? (Needing to feel wanted, needing attention, needing appreciation, feeling left out, needing food/low blood sugar, etc).

I'm not sure what the answer is, but my sense is that looking for a consequence to address her anger issues isn't the way to go, at least not until she is able to be calmer and make decisions with her brain rather than her emotions.
post #5 of 8
WRT to this specific incident - has she recently started back to school or is there something else that might be behind the issue with the raincoat? Someone teasing her, her perception that the balance of time/attention is tipping towards your son, or a disconnect recently with you.

I'm a huge fan of Hold on to your kids. I think when kids behave in this sort of manner with their parents that its a sign that the connection between parent and child might need some attention.

I have a 9 year old who has a flair for the dramatic and a medical issue that can sometimes play into that. She'd be prone to that kind of over the top response. My approach is always that I don't appreciate being spoken to that way. She can be angry but she can't be rude and if she would like to talk to me about it I am happy to listen but I am not interested in the dramatics. In terms of not doing what she was asked, I would fall back on our family rules and the "safety" card which trumps everything in our house.

I often find some physical contact - not in a threatening way at all but in a way that helps us connect can defuse the situation. Sometimes it is a hand on her shoulder or getting to her eye level can help me remember she's still small and needs my help.

I personally wouldn't work towards figuring out a consequence but would spend the energy trying to get at what is behind the behaviour and then talking to her from there about how to solve that problem and what is appropriate behaviour when she's feeling overwhelmed.

hth
Karen
post #6 of 8
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post
I second post #2. If my kids are in a bad mood and refuse to come to the table with everyone else to eat then they can either eat cold food (and risk that everything they like eating will have been consumed already) or they can go hungry.

I'm also wondering why she was allowed to go outside after all that but having three kids and being 8 months pregnant I can sympathize that there is often no way of physically making a child that age do something they don't want to do.

If it were me I would take the rain coat away all together. When my kids express that they are very ungrateful for something they have that is not a necessity it is taken away. If it continues to be a big issue then the item is donated with the understanding that another child will appreciate it more.
She wasnt allowed to go outside.
That is the problem. She is doing it just to be defiant and show me that she doesnt have to follow rules.
post #7 of 8
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Im attempting to multiquote here, so forgive me if this is a mess.

[QUOTE][QUOTE=BellinghamCrunchie;15774589]It sounds like she was so upset that she didn't care what the consequences were going to be.You are right. She doesnt care what the consequences will be.

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If she gets so upset that she doesn't care what the consequences are going to be, then it doesn't make sense to focus on giving her consequences, since this isn't likely to change her behavior.
You are right again. It wont change her behavior.

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It sounds like she is having trouble managing her emotions, particularly anger. It also kind of sounds like the raincoat wasn't the real issue. Do you have any sense that there was something else driving her anger and she was using the raincoat as a kind of focus point?
She has a new little sister (4 months old). She is crazy about her, but has told me a few times that she feels like the baby gets too much attention.
She is able to tell me when things are bothering her and we are very close.
I am giving her as much attention, positive talk, holding as I can and its never enough. She still resents her brother for existing sometimes. He's 5, and if anyone gets the short end of the stick around here- it's him.

This is just what happens when she doesnt get her way.
She is extremely jealous of everything and feels like everything she has must be the BEST to feel important I guess.



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Do you think it would help her to sit down and come up with a plan for how she could buy a new raincoat if she wanted, with her own money, or possibly trade something with her sibling for the right to borrow the raincoat, or some other problem-solving activity?

Honestly when she is in that frame of mind she gets her self so worked up that she is completely irrational. I remain calm and try to talk with her, even see her point of view. She just wants what she wants and doesnt see how crazy the behavior was until much later. Even then she will think about the incident and still feel wronged.

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Or was she after something else? (Needing to feel wanted, needing attention, needing appreciation, feeling left out, needing food/low blood sugar, etc).
Yes. Probably low blood sugar because it was dinner time.
She feels left out and needs exclusive attention very often. She wants to be my one and only. I do everything I can with her and give her so much energy.
Its never enough. This is just how she acts when she doesnt get her way.
In situations where most kids would be disappointed, she becomes enraged


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I'm not sure what the answer is, but my sense is that looking for a consequence to address her anger issues isn't the way to go, at least not until she is able to be calmer and make decisions with her brain rather than her emotions.

This is true, but in these situations she is out of control. What options are there, but to let her disobey me until she calms down or use physical force.
Im afraid for it to be okay for her to do this. my 5 yr old is now telling me no because he sees her doing it.
post #8 of 8
Been there. Two thoughts: (1) it sounds like she desperately needs the safety of knowing you are in charge [gently, firmly, confidently in charge] and (2) I discovered a web site you can Google called Hand In Hand Parenting. Click on Articles and then make sure you click View All. The web site says it better than I ever could. There's even a real good one about aggression.

I agree with what you are saying about not working on the anger stuff until she's able to make decisions with her brain.....and I believe that getting to the underlying root of what is causing the anger in the first place is the way to go. Try that web site and the articles and I'd be interested to hear your impressions.

We, too, had been in a cycle of "obey!" and then punishing when he didn't (our son is now 7). We weren't looking deeper and instead viewed as a battle of wills. A battle of power. Oppositional. Not until rethinking that did we make any progress.
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