What has been your highest SA dose to bowel tolerance?

[Metasequoia]

In a day?

Yesterday I took 18 grams and didn't even go to the bathroom. That seems like A LOT. I have pertussis, so I guess I'm needing quite a bit - but 18g still feels like a lot!

[Metasequoia]

I took 6.76 grams at once this morning....and I think I'm there.

[tanyalynn]

The starting guidelines I've seen for WC are 375 mg per kilogram body weight per day, so you'd want to divide that into 3 or 4 (or more) doses).

So for a 150-pound person (yeah, I have to do the math every time because my brain just doesn't work in kilograms)...

150 pounds * (1 kilogram / 2.2 pounds) * (375 mg / 1 kilogram) * (1 gram/1000mg)

= 25.5 grams per day

I've had times when I've needed more than this on a non-sick day, but I'm an outlier.

Did you see any difference taking just 18 grams?

eta: we had a rice-on-the-floor incident and I had my reply window open a long, long time. yay! for your 2nd post.

[Metasequoia]

I'm currently 137 (6 months pregnant) - so that sounds about right. i *definitely* noticed a difference symptom-wise the first day that I started mega-dosing - I actually SLEPT for the first time in 3 weeks, only having two coughing attacks. yesterday was the first full day of mega-dosing & again I had a super night with only coughing for the first ten minutes after laying down.

The two nights before I started the SA were some of the worst nights of my life - vomiting up mucous, gagging on it, peeing in my pants & having contractions from the coughing, etc.

I think that last night's dose of 2 tsp (just under 7 grams) didn't do anything to me and then that this morning's dose of the same amount had such a strong and immediate affect shows that my immune system is responding & needing less SA - YAY!

Thanks for figuring out the math for me.

[Ethelpea]

With my active Epstein Barr Infection years ago it was 80,000 plus plus plus mg for days on end without hitting tolerance. Finally hit tolerance one day after about a week and half and felt the fog lifting. Was better immediately. Seriously had I known of any IV vitamin C practioners near me I would have gone that route.

You people must be a lot healthier than me LOL I take 10-15 grams (10,000 - 15,000 mg) regularly and rarely, if ever hit tolerance.

If you have pertussis, I'm thinking 18 grams wouldn't even make it off your tongue but everyone is different and that is just my experience.

[tanyalynn]

Ethelpea, a few years ago I needed a lot more than I do now, one thing that's been helpful for me in reducing my need is these vitamin c flushes...

http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf

I don't know how different the effects would be between us, my issue has been heavy metals and other crap I didn't detoxify well, and I know that's different from long-term viral infections, but it may be something to look into. Getting my vitC need down has been a helpful part in getting better, and these were, and still are, helpful for me.

I use half of their vitC product and half sodium ascorbate.

[Ethelpea]

Thank you tanylynn. I will read that in detail tonight. Looks interesting!

[Metasequoia]

I don't think I needed as much today. That 7 gram dose this morning resulted in 2 immediate trips to the bathroom (like 10-15 minutes after the dose.)

At my next dose (4 hours later), I only took 3.4 grams & got REALLY gassy - like, you could hear my belly across the room, so I haven't taken more yet.

It's 8:20pm now and I'm on the fence about taking more tonight. I don't want to be up during the night using the toilet.

[tanyalynn]

If you haven't taken any since before noon, I'd take some. WC isn't a short deal, even just another 3-4 grams to get you through the night seems prudent to me.

And yay! for feeling better.

[Metasequoia]

Originally Posted by tanyalynn

If you haven't taken any since before noon, I'd take some. WC isn't a short deal, even just another 3-4 grams to get you through the night seems prudent to me.

And yay! for feeling better.

Okay, but it'll be all your fault if I soil the bed.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

Okay, but it'll be all your fault if I soil the bed.

Well, I'm nowhere around to help clean up, wonder what penance I can do long-distance to make up for it?

[Juvysen]

i seem to have adrenal fatigue and it took me upwards of 5 1/2 g... which I was shocked at. The book I was reading said most people it takes 2-4g but he's known people who needed as much as 50g or something ridiculously high.

[danipoppins]

Sorry to hijack a bit, but I noticed you're pregnant and dealing with pertussis. My two have pertussis right now and so far (knock wood) I've been in the clear. However, I'm 20 wks pregnant and wondering if there is a max for SA in pregnancy and what affect, if any, this might have on the baby? Right now I'm limiting myself to 1g a day of calcium ascorbate while waiting for some SA in the mail because I wasn't sure about megadosing in pregnancy.

Thanks for any insight

[tanyalynn]

I haven't seen any actual data about what to do during pregnancy. If it were me, and if I got sick, I'd take SA to bowel tolerance figuring that it's better to try to provide the tools my body needs than to knowingly go without. That's my comfort zone and having used a whole lot of SA for a few years now for various things.

If I only had calcium ascorbate, not sure what I'd do--no, I take that back. Even for a few days, taking calcium ascorbate to bowel tolerance when you're dealing with WC would be a huge, huge amount of calcium and I wouldn't be comfortable with that. If I were really concerned about my health, I'd find some ascorbic acid and try that, see how much I could take before it upset my stomach (with the acidity, I mean).

But to directly answer your question, I don't know if there are studies with very high doses of vitamin C during pregnancy--I haven't seen any, but I can't say for sure they don't exist.

[Koalamom]

I am not sure about during pregnancy, but my nursling has the runs if I take too much. Too much for him is something like 1 tsp. I tried it when he was a few months old and havent tried since. I take a different Vit C since it messed his bowels up for days afterward. So mamas, when you have your babies, just be careful. When he weans ina year or so, I will try SA again.

[stellabluz]

hey ladies~

Is there a good thread that gives some dosages for children. Just now preparing to start and also wondered how you actually measure the powder? With a scale? Any info for a beginner would be helpful...

Thank you in advance!

[tanyalynn]

stella, there's not a specific thread for kids, lots of individual threads over time if you use the Search, and Advanced Search functions (top right if you haven't used it already).

The guideline I've seen for sick people is 250 mg/kg body weight spread over the course of a day, for either adults or kids (translates to 1.1 grams per 10 lbs body weight), the label on the SA will say 1/2 tsp = X grams or something like that, so you can just measure with a teaspoon.

[Ethelpea]

regarding pregnancy, I HAVE taken SA to tolerance, quite frequently. Sometimes that is 20,000 mg (20 g) other times, it is much much higher to the point where I haven't hit tolerance during the day. I really don't keep track of how much I take, I just take to tolerance. Anecdotally speaking, I started this during my last pregnancy (2007-2008) and had a remarkably easy pregnancy, birth and a very healthy baby. I'm currently pregnant now and have, several times in the pregnancy, found it necessary to dose to tolerance.

Regarding children, you can look at www.vitamincfoundation.org for recommendations and here is the one from orthomolecular.org The below is preventative and maintenance schedule. (Some people I know only dose to tolerance with vitamin c when ill.)

For children the recommendation is 1,000 mg (1 gram) per age of child leveling off at 10,000 mg (10 grams). So a 1 year old would get 1,000 mg (1 gram) per day, a 2 year old would get 2,000 mg (2 g), etc.

I know that www.vitamincfoundation.org also has some dosing requirements posted. From what I recall, there is a also a comparison chart on there of the different requirements given by various organizations and researchers.

[Metasequoia]

Ethelpea, that site doesn't have a search function, does it? It's a bit overwhelming to peruse.

Someone just told me the other day that if you take large doses of C in pregnancy, your baby can be born with scurvy. I figured I'm 28 weeks now, so I'll just taper down real slowly over the next few weeks.

Has anyone heard of this?

[Ethelpea]

Originally Posted by Metasequoia

Ethelpea, that site doesn't have a search function, does it? It's a bit overwhelming to peruse.

Someone just told me the other day that if you take large doses of C in pregnancy, your baby can be born with scurvy. I figured I'm 28 weeks now, so I'll just taper down real slowly over the next few weeks.

Has anyone heard of this?

I've heard of that, though I think it is far fetched. There is an article on the vitamincfoundation site that mentions it. The gist is that the baby will be used to high amounts of c and will develop scurvy after birth if not supplemented. I, personally, don't buy it. The body disposes of any vitamin c it doesn't need.
there is a search feature on the vitamincfoundation site on the right side. But I usually just browse through the topics listed on the right.