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post #21 of 32
What an interesting thread! I'm the same as you, OP - my parenting naturally evolved, and I ended up doing many things I never thought I would. I am currently strongly considering homeschooling, despite it being illegal in my country of residence.

My DD is 4 now, and she'd have to be in school by 6. My reasons are many - from the bad public schooling system, to thinking that one on one attention is so much better, to being able to choose the curriculum that is right for my kids, to being able to do a ton of fun stuff that schooled kids often miss out on. I also personally experienced many problems with the school system (back home) that I don't want my kids to have to deal with too. In addition, I think minority kids are not really treated great in this country, and my kids would stick out like a sore thumb in a public school.
post #22 of 32
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If I am being perfectly honest, I think my biggest hang up is that I really LOVED high school. I hated school 4th through 8th grade as I was being raised to not "go with the crowd" (ie no fad toys, no unattended mall visits, no dating, etc.). By the time high school rolled around, I was so over wanting to be a part of the cool crowd and was happy to just be me (for the most part). I was super involved in drama, school plays, became class president, etc. The idea of not having that option available to my kids is what gives me pause.
Home schooling now does not make that option unavailable to your kids. There are no troubles with age-typical grade entry or "held back" grade entry. People will often encounter trouble entering a higher grade than the lockstep grade for age.
post #23 of 32
I grew up with a lot of crunchy influences. So AP parenting and all that kind of thing came naturally. I've known and thought about homeschooling since before Zayla was born. But I mostly wrote off the idea, figuring that I wouldn't be any "good" at it and that we would just use a good private school for her.

She went to a great preschool. Then the economy went bad and we didn't have the money to continue on with private school. So in the weeks before kindergarten I panicked a lot about whether to try public school or home school.

Well we went with homeschool. The year was amazing. I'm in a great location to home school and there was so much available to us. Classes, home school park days, field trips. We both made tons of great friends. It was kindy, so I didn't use any curriculum. I wanted to unschool first and find my footing before investing in an expensive curriculum (because I will never be motivated enough to put my own together). I am a much better homeschooling parent than I ever thought I could be. It gave me the confidence to go back to college and study teaching.

We are starting first grade this year and continuing to homeshool. We're now hooked up with a great local ISP and will get to do some free classes and stuff with them. We are also going to start doing some actual "work" this year, so we'll see how that goes.

I like home school, but I don't think it's the only way to do things. Zayla may decide to go to school someday or I may decide that she's ready to try out a private/charter school. I doubt we'll homeschool through the end of high school...but one never knows.
post #24 of 32
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If I am being perfectly honest, I think my biggest hang up is that I really LOVED high school.
As a PP stated - you can always send them to high school. I've known many kids who homeschooled until high school and did very well in high school. My daughter went half-time to high school last year and the transition was very easy. However, we missed the freedom of homeschooling.

Somethings to keep in mind - the high school experiences you had will not be the same for your kids. High school has changed and that may be better or worse depending on your area and your kid. Many of the same extracurricular experiences you mentioned can be found in the greater community rather than just high school. Many homeschoolers are actively involved in community theatre, various sports, 4H, scouting, community service projects, working in political campaigns, etc. The same feelings of belonging and purpose are out there.

The key is to remember that homeschooling or brick and mortar school does not have to be a permanent decision. You have choice to change at any time.
post #25 of 32
My cousins were homeschooled when we were kids. I didn't know them b/c we lived in a different country, but the word in the family was that they were being isolated and indoctrinated and who knows what other harmful things.

Well, I've recently found them on facebook and am amazed at how self-confident and interesting they've turned out to be (they're adults now, but quite a bit younger than me).

In any case, with family gossip as my only homeschool experience, it never crossed my mind that I'd end up homeschooling my own kids.

Well, I started to read about it here just as my first was nearing school age and I was intrigued. So much so that I quit my job and decided to homeschool, only to find out I was pregnant with my third. Well, I decided to go ahead and put my oldest DS in school so that I'd have time with my DD and the new baby. Turns out that was a big mistake. The teacher started sanctioning him for all the things that make him awesome--his exuberance and his friendliness were all wrong for kindergarten. Plus, he needs to move his body a lot, but at least 2 or 3 times a week the teacher would decide that the class should stay in during recess to catch up on some subject or another! He was way ahead of his class in reading and math, but had started to be branded as a bad kid and it was killing us. We pulled him out of school and now he's got tons of friends in our homeschool groups who think he's awesome and not at all bad. Plus he can read at his level.

The thing for you to keep in mind, OP, is that homeschooling will not change who your child is. What changes kids is the pressure to conform at school. Socially awkward people can be found everywhere, in and out of school, but the big difference for them is that nobody brands them as "weird" outside of school, so they get to grow up with their self-image intact.

And all the things you loved about high school can be found in homeschool circles as well. Many of the teens in our group are in plays put on by various groups, sports teams, music groups and more. And one of our homeschool groups holds dances and proms and even puts out year books. Keep in mind that the things you loved about high school came about as a result of being in a community, and have little to do with academics. There's no reason why they can't be done outside of a school setting!

Still, if your kids decide they want to go to school, there's no reason why they can't at any time. The best advice I've heard around here is to take it year by year and don't worry about issues you're imagining could happen years in the future.

Right now, though, my kids say they don't intend to ever go to school.
post #26 of 32
I'm really enjoying this thread! My oldest is 3 too and my parenting choices have been rather unexpected as well. They just sort of... happened (OK OK, so maybe there was some feverish reading involved).
Right, so this is coming from someone that is not "officially" homeschooling since my kids are so young!
I'd say the biggest thing that has sold me on homeschooling so far is the flexibility of it. The flexibility of the materials/curriculum you can use, of how you use your time, etc etc. My husband works a job that is in no way in sync with the school year. In fact, he usually has to work harder and has less of a chance for time off in the summer since he works at the airport.
Also, as a former "weird" kid with social anxiety that attended public school for grades K-8 and private school for high school, the whole social worry has never made much sense to me.
At my high school, we had quite a few kids that had been homeschooled until 9th grade and they weren't any weirder than anyone else. Some were shy and some were the complete opposite. Obviously that is just my personal experience, so take it for what it is.
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by jodieanneanton View Post
If I am being perfectly honest, I think my biggest hang up is that I really LOVED high school. I hated school 4th through 8th grade as I was being raised to not "go with the crowd" (ie no fad toys, no unattended mall visits, no dating, etc.). By the time high school rolled around, I was so over wanting to be a part of the cool crowd and was happy to just be me (for the most part). I was super involved in drama, school plays, became class president, etc. The idea of not having that option available to my kids is what gives me pause.
I'm not an homeschooling convert but I'll let you know something I realized when I was converting to unschooling: think of all the options that become unavailable to your kids if they ARE in school.

Most hobbies, e.g....
--Art (painting, digital illustration, 3D modeling, animation, sculpting, drawing)
--Writing (articles, short stories, novels, poems)
--Crafting (making jewelry, sewing clothes, etc)
--Performing (ballet, other dance, juggling, etc)
--Animals (training dogs, riding horses, caring for animals on a farm)
--Playing an instrument, composing music
--Martial arts
--Video games (playing them or MAKING them)
--Gardening
--Preserving and cooking
--Any sport the school doesn't have team for
--Reading
--Collecting (butterflies, stamps, etc)
...are theoretically available even if you are attending school, but spending around 40 hours a week attending class, commuting, and doing homework really limits the time you can spend on them--which means you can't have a large number of hobbies OR delve very deeply into anything. Scheduling conflicts may prevent you from taking many classes in subjects your school does not offer (or offers a dumbed-down version of). Personally, I hated high school because my interests were drawing pictures, reading fantasy novels, writing fantasy novels, playing the occasional video game, learning Japanese, and translating the dialog of Japanese video games into English. Trying to fit that in during the little cracks of free time school allowed was NOT enjoyable. My school didn't even offer a Japanese class!

But my feelings toward school did not become what they are today until I read The Teenager's Liberation Handbook, which has a whole chapter describing the lives of some homeschoolers and unschoolers in addition to examples sprinkled throughout the book. Lots of the examples listed five or more interests the kids engaged in, but there were also things like
--Lots of kids spent a lot of extra time in dance or theater. One kid interned in an outdoor Shakespeare Theater; he ended up doing the work of two interns and made $200 per week.
--Some kids started youth groups.
--Some kids started their own business.
--Several kids who were too young to legally be employed volunteered at a business (e.g. veterinary clinic, radio station) or other organization (e.g. museum, zoo, library) where they wanted to work.
--Several kids became apprentices to tradesmen or assistants to scientists for the fun of it. There's one example of a girl who became a puppeteering apprentice, living in the home of her mentors.
--One girl sometimes spends six to eight hours per day on intensive music study.
--Lots of kids work on farms. One example was a kid who went to live on a farm to work there.
--One kid spent as much time as possible skiing and mountain biking. He participating in ski races and biked 18 miles per day over varying terrain.
--One girl was dog musher who kept 30 dogs. She gave workshops for pack dog sledding and stuff.
--Lots of kids travel, with or without family.
--One 16yo girl, with her 26yo friend, spent the winter in Iceland working in a fish cannery, then spent the spring camping in Scandenavia and went hiking in the Alps.
--One kid got an internship on a farm in Belize, harvesting and processing medicinal plants.

Not to say your homeschooled kid will necessarily do something as... exciting? (not the word I'm looking for, but it's the closest I can get)... as hiking the Alps, harvesting rain forest plants, becoming a dog sledding champion, becoming a respected expert on something by age 12, or riding a mountain bike 18 miles per day, but ... your schooled kid won't necessary join student council either.

Plus, it is more convenient for your family to go to pretty much everything from museums or Disneyland if you don't have to go during a school break.

You could always give your kid a nice homeschool foundation and offer high school when the time comes. Someone who's in high school because she chose to be there is going to be a lot happier than someone there because she has to be.
post #28 of 32
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Originally Posted by jodieanneanton View Post
I was super involved in drama, school plays, became class president, etc. The idea of not having that option available to my kids is what gives me pause.
Hsing doesn't cut you out of opportunities--it frees you up to participate in things going on in the outside world. There is theater, band, orchestra, politics, sports, art, etc. all outside of school--we've found them to be better in that the people involved are there because they want to be there and because they are of varied ages, backgrounds and experiences whereas our local schools are pretty homogeneous.
post #29 of 32
[QUOTE]What pushed you over the edge and made you decide on home schooling? Are you doing it year by year, stopping at a certain grade level or going for the long haul? I'd love to hear your story and find out how you became a home schooling convert, so to speak.[QUOTE]

I wasn't anti-homeschooling per se but had a lot of misconceptions. I thought you had to be religious. Or that you were basically parents who couldn't let go of their kid. I thought hs kids probably turned out weird. Etc...

When my ds was 3 and a year and a half from Junior Kindergarten, I started to panic. We didn't have a lot of kids around us and ds was very clingy with me. He was also very verbal and nearly reading. (A year later he was reading Magic Treehouse books on his own.) I knew he was smart but people around me told me he was a mamma's boy. So I put him in preschool. It was awful. He didn't talk the entire time he was there. Just cried. After a month, I walked into the room where he was crying to pick him up and he asked if we were going to the library. Two of the dc workers looked up in surprise and said they had never heard his voice before. This was a kid who never stopped talking at home.

He needed me and he needed a lot of mental stimulation. He slept a lot and needed plenty of down time. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how a smart kid well ahead of his peers, who was hyper and easily over stimulated would cope with school. It made me scared for him. Dh went through a terrible ordeal with school (highly gifted kid who had peer/teacher issues) and was definitely into finding an alternative.

There was a homeschooling board on a parenting site I belonged to and I started wandering in and asking questions. I read a ton of books. Eventually we decided to give it a try. It was a huge leap for us. After all, we did things the "normal" way. Public education followed by attending public universities. We had no idea this even existed.

Originally this was a solution to a problem but it has turned into a lifestyle choice for us. We consider it the best way to educate kids. My kids go at their own pace, we pick out what lessons or classes are important to us and run with it. This is a lifelong process. I can't imagine dealing with school now. I don't think we even could. Ds would be in grade 2 this year but reads at a grade 8 level, does math at grade 3/4 level and writes at a kindergarten level. There is no place for him in the regular system.

Dh and I are real converts. It was the scariest decision we ever made but the one we have benefited from the most. It is an amazing way to live. Not always easy, of course, but it certainly works for us. My kids are so happy and well-adjusted - they are how we know this was the right choice.
post #30 of 32
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The thing for you to keep in mind, OP, is that homeschooling will not change who your child is. What changes kids is the pressure to conform at school. Socially awkward people can be found everywhere, in and out of school, but the big difference for them is that nobody brands them as "weird" outside of school, so they get to grow up with their self-image intact.
LOVE this. Thank you for saying that so succinctly.

I'm same as the OP - never EVER thought I would hs. I decided to pull DD from preschool this fall and do it at home. I'm still kind of freaked out about it, but I'm so excited at the same time. This is a great thread and the things you all are saying are making me feel SO good about my decision
post #31 of 32
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LOVE this. Thank you for saying that so succinctly.

I'm same as the OP - never EVER thought I would hs. I decided to pull DD from preschool this fall and do it at home. I'm still kind of freaked out about it, but I'm so excited at the same time. This is a great thread and the things you all are saying are making me feel SO good about my decision
We are pulling dd1 out of preschool this fall (scheduled to start next week) and doing to at home stuff this year, too.

DH and I had a LONG talk last night about it and we are about to sit down with dd.

Thanks for the advice and support!
post #32 of 32
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Originally Posted by jodieanneanton View Post

My question is mainly for people who didn't go into their child-rearing with the decision to home school already made or even those who were once against the whole idea... What pushed you over the edge and made you decide on home schooling? Are you doing it year by year, stopping at a certain grade level or going for the long haul? I'd love to hear your story and find out how you became a home schooling convert, so to speak.

TIA.
I never intended to home school a little kid -- I had read Reviving Ophelia and several similar books about adolescent girls, and had my own experience of 'learning' to hide my intelligence/knowledge at that age -- I know my spoken vocabulary was more extensive when I was in the sixth grade than it was when I was an undergrad, because I learned well not to use those "big complicated" words, through enforcement from other girls as well as boys. For me it was disconcerting because I went from being relatively popular and admired for my vocabulary etc., to very abruptly being penalized for it. SO - I had always said that if I had a daughter who was starting to encounter such situations, I would pull her out, homeschool for 2-3 years, and then return her to high school when she was confident (and it was again acceptable to be smart). The thought of actually TEACHING how to read (which seemed a magical process to me) was intimidating to me.

We knew our kids would probably be in the 'gifted' or at least 'high performing' range, as both of us were in that category - and we knew they'd also be stubborn (another trait gifted/learned from us ). We'd joked for years that we'd spend plenty of time in the principal's office with kids bucking authority. We both were concerned about our kids not learning to be "sheeple," and staying independent and able to think critically etc.

Also, I'd known all along that I was the "freaky relative/friend" - cloth diapers, extended breastfeeding, mostly organics, big garden, elimination diet while breastfeeding both girls due to their allergies -- Dh and I used to joke that "Well, homeschooling is the next thing in the continuum, isn't it?"

But, we were all set to do K in either the local public school, or with the local private school. Our concern was attendance - the attendance policy at the local public schools is very restrictive (hard to miss school) - we spoke with the K teacher and she said her own dd had missed "too many" days for the school records, for spending a week helping her Grandpa on an archaeological dig (!) .... Well, dh is self-employed - his business is busiest in the summer, so we travel during fall/winter/spring -- and love it. If we couldn't travel until summer, we simply wouldn't be able to travel at all until kids graduated from high school (and college) - what's the point of traveling if we're not bringing the kids along to see too?? We always visit museums etc. while traveling, so it's still educational.

Family had been chortling for awhile about how we'd have to start living like everyone else once dd1 started school - no more traveling, and different sleep schedules (we live on "college time" because that's how dh works best - late nights and late mornings - works for all of us and why not?).

Then, dh had his annual stint as judge for the local science fair - he's done this for years. He literally called me from the parking lot afterwards and said, "We are homeschooling, we can NOT put our kids in public school if this is how shoddy the science education is going to be." He'd seen a gradual decline but that year was the worst - and when he spoke about it with the teachers, they told him that science time was being cut to focus on preparing for the tests. The only coverage they'd had of the scientific method for the fifth graders was a half hour video about it, no other class time or discussion or application - and they were going to cut that and move it to sixth grade.

I should note that our schools consistently rate among the highest in the state, and our state rates relatively high for the education of its students too (I think 4th in ACT scores?). So dh was appalled, and furious. The teachers told him to try to get on the school board, and maybe we should have done that. But .... that really caused us to wonder whether our attendance concerns with the public school system would end up being the least of our concerns once dd1 was enrolled.

I met with the local school doing paperwork for dd1 and when I told them that she has an epi-pen and egg allergy, they pooh-poohed it, didn't think it would be a concern, and in fact told me emphatically that she should eat the hot lunches, and (right in front of dd1), said that "Kindergarteners LOVE the hot lunches! They have to have them!" They also told me that although I intended to walk dd1 the 7 blocks to school every day, I would change my mind, so they would sign her up for the bus route (45 minute ride!). Basically they were patronizing. I came home furious.

The private school was still an option and could have worked with our attendance issues, I loved the school when I went to observe and they do a very good job. But - dh pointed out, "Why would we pay that much money for her to NOT attend school?" Which was a very good question in the end.

So things just sort of snowballed. I felt worried and overwhelmed, as I had thought that if we ever did homeschool, dh would be opposing it (not pushing it!) .... I was scared to begin the education process (I nearly completed secondary ed certification so am familiar with and comfortable with the older grades) .... We ended up deciding to do k12 virtual academy through the local school district so we're technically public school but it's definitely a technicality. The plan was to transition to "our" homeschool curriculum once we were comfortable - we're in year 2, I'm becoming more comfortable with the idea of moving into our own curriculum but dh isn't there yet.

DD1 loves her school, she's definitely on schedule/ahead and she's done with school in two hours at the most each day. She's loving to learn, bright, sociable, and doing wonderfully. We still have relatives who are opposed (dh's stepmother is a teacher, one of my sisters is a principal) -- but they can't say that she's maladjusted or behind academically. And instead of spending 7 hours/day in school, she's able to play and relax and be a kid and accomplish the same amount of work (or more).
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