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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Some of you may have read my recent posts about the new public school Montssori program where ds started lower el. this year. It's eating me up, and I don't know what to do. Friends and family all advise me not to rock the boat. I don't want to have feelings toward me spill over to ds, but part of me feels like I shouldn't be so unhappy and unable to express my feelings for fear of ticking someone off by giving feedback. Also, ds isn't unhappy at this point. I think in a different classroom, he could be equally, if not more, happy, but he has a hard time with change and likes his teacher and some of his classmates (although none are to the level of "friendship" and he still plays alone at recess). Furthermore, this class (non-Montessori as it is) is much better than his traditional neighborhood school. Lastly, there are the questions of who I would say something to, how much, and when.

Issues:

1. Only 1 hour of uninterrupted work time (most days - Wednesdays also include a timed Math test during that time), then a lesson, then another 1/2 hour work time before other lessons, lunch, recess, silent reading, something else, and specials. So the 1-1/2 hours that they get of work time is interrupted. Imho, makes it hard to get into a work and be able to budget time effectively that way.

2. Green/yellow/red behavior plan on the wall with no opportunity for truly "redeeming" themselves (although teacher says they can). Also, kids will start missing recess if they don't get their work plans completed.

3. Appears to be writing-based learning, rather than learning with writing embedded on the side...at least at this point. (Ds is not a fine-motor kid.) The busy work may or may not be reduced by this point. The spelling assignments are completely writing-based. We haven't had any struggles yet, but if we have to do these every week for the whole year, I see battles ahead. That, and there are lots of ways to learn to spell words.

4. Little freedom of movement in the classroom. I told the teacher flat out that this was one reason we chose Montessori - he has a hard time sitting in chairs for extended periods. She said he's only had a couple of spills out of his chair - none serious.

5. I was flat out lied to when I asked the principal when I toured the school about how true to Montessori the classrooms are. He said as true as they could be while meeting the public school requirements (testing and such). He said they have a very strong parent group who wouldn't let them be less so.

6. When I toured, I asked about discipline, I was told they do positive supports, rather than negative.

7. Other classrooms within the district (don't know about this school, in particular) are much more Montessori.

8. I met with the principal before school started to ensure a smooth transition. He obviously didn't listen to me at all. He spouted information he's been trained to say and heard at a conference. If he'd considered the things I said, he would have reviewed the teacher assignment to match him to someone meeting his needs. He said that at this conference he went to, the man said he'd only encountered 2 truly adhd kids in his entire Montessori career, because the method provided so many of the accommodations these kids needed naturally. I'm not saying my kid is adhd, but I can see the teachers saying it in the not-so-distant future.

So wwyd? Say something? Not? To whom? What? Ask for a new class? This year or wait until next? TIA!
post #2 of 12
I am in a restaurant eating right now. I ordered Gung Pow Chicken, shrimp fried rice, and a glass of draft beer. I am eating it and it is delicious.

If they brought me tofu with peanuts, Uncle Ben's boiled rice, and a glass of tea, I'd surely ask them to correct it.

You ARE a customer at your school. They promised you something. Make sure you get it.
post #3 of 12
Rose,
This upset me so much. The real problem from my perspective is that this is not an isolated case.

I posted this on facebook. I hope you enjoy. It is one of the few times I am this direct at a certain situation, but it is also one time I feel strongly about it and have seen how it's NOT an isolated instance.

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Dear Montessori Teacher,

You have a job and tradition to uphold.

You have a certain insight into childhood that others might share, but you do.

You have a responsibility to state what you believe is best for the children in your classroom.

You have a responsibility to do that within the idea of certain ideals and values you hold true.

You might be in a position like me. A die-hard Montessori fan who is a half a world away from a Montessori school and doing the best you can in your current situation of teaching to a test or a textbook. You might be in a situation where you don't agree with EVERY Montessori idea you come across - God knows I have had to explain my "talking dog" to quite a few Montessorians. I can see those as justifiable.

What I find sickening and (more accurately, disturbing) are the long list of questions I see about how certain Montessori schools operate:
--behavior charts on the wall.
--No long, uninterrupted work time.
--No observations, but writing communication books every day.

And the truth is...I see these concerns from parents of your school who email me privately or on message boards that focus on Montessori. Most of the parents are too afraid to speak up because they do not want to rock the boat.

What is happening? Why are we doing this?


You have a special calling. You can do what the children need. You can be amazing in a child's life. You can be that one teacher this child remembers for being the loving one...not the punitive one who moved their name from green to red, but really saught to talk to them with an understanding of the stress they are going through in school every day.

Get your act together now. If you're not Montessori, tear the name off your school. Just stop making it hard for those that are by giving Montessori a bad reputation.

The BEST thing about being a Montessori teacher is learning how to do things better. If you haven't had that wake up call, here it is. Go and deal with it.

Sincerely,
Matt Bronsil
Who has the kahonas to say it.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Matt, I loved that letter! It's so true - I know I'm not the only person in this situation. And it just baffles me. Why become a Montessori teacher if you're not so in love with the philosophy/method to follow it? There are the key components - like some materials and extended work cycles - but there is also the spirit of it, the heart. I would be completely okay with a talking dog in ds's Montessori classroom! I love a little whimsy and if the key components are in place and the child is learning in the way they are supposed to, why the heck not?

So my gut (and you) tells me to say something. Now I just have to decide where to start? I don't know if I can feasibly ask/expect a teacher to change her entire curriculum, even if what she's teaching is not what was promised. I think a half-hearted, under-duress, angry approach to modifying her program to be more Montessori may be just as bad, if not worse, than her misled yet sort-of well-intended attempt at a combination class. Kwim?

So then I could talk to the principal. But that has proven useless in the past. I would like to express my extreme dissatisfaction with being lied to when I asked very specific questions, but I probably shouldn't start there with him.

I'm conflicted as to whether I should ask for a change of classroom. Again, ds doesn't do very well with change, and I'd hate to move him and then have him not like his teacher and classmates. I could see if we can come to an agreement with the teacher for the year and then change next year.

I feel like I'm spilling all this on this board. People irl don't really like Montessori, don't care that much, and just think I'm making a big deal over nothing. I do feel that this needs to be cleared up, but I don't know how. Grrr! I worked so hard to find the "right" placement and ensure a smooth transition by meeting with the principal beforehand and it still began with a headache.
post #5 of 12
"Having to teach to the test really sucks doesn't it? And I don't think it's any good for DS either. What can we do to make a more authentic Montessori experience in this environment?"
post #6 of 12
And I wish I felt that the Montessori parent group would be worth anything. Still good to work at getting ahold of them, but I have this horrible feeling that they just push for purchasing M materials from the "right" suppliers. I have no facts to support the feeling, it's just one explanation for "they force us to stick to Montessori standards" in the same school where work periods are only an hour and are interrupted constantly.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
"Having to teach to the test really sucks doesn't it? And I don't think it's any good for DS either. What can we do to make a more authentic Montessori experience in this environment?"
That's a very empathetic way to phrase it. I can work with that. Problem is, I understand needing to teach to the test, but this goes so far beyond that to the point of abandoning M. philosophy altogether.

Yeah, the parent group. I'm afraid it's a bunch of PTO people who may or may not have any real M standards. Fundraising and stuff. My irk is that some teachers in the district actually stick much more closely to Montessori. I just can't believe there is no standard and there is such a discrepency. Probably because the administration has no real clue about Montessori - it's just a special program that brings them some money and students.

I'm thinking of talking to the assistant principal. She seems with it, friendly but not flighty, and she used to be a Montessori teacher (in the district - but her class could have been much more Montessori...or not...). My hope is that she can listen to my concerns without being defensive and then we could work together to come to a solution - whether it's me talking to the teacher again, changing classes/schools, whatever. I can't talk to the principal - I would just end up insulting him (not only did he "mislead" me but he also lost ds twice during the first week of school).

I've been advised to wait until after Labor Day, since people just bide their time until then. I'd prefer to talk sooner, but we'll see.

I know ds is comfortable - he made a relatively good transition to the class. I don't want to throw him off kilter by yanking him out, but I want him to be in a classroom where he's not only comfortable but also thriving.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by Rose-Roget View Post
he also lost ds twice during the first week of school).
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Any other horrible problems you're forgetting to mention about this place?
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
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Any other horrible problems you're forgetting to mention about this place?
That's pretty much it. I didn't mention it here because it wasn't Montessori related, and we have that problem more or less solved. I think ds has sensory issues (getting him evaluated next week), and those gymnasium/cafeterias are way overstimulating with 150 kids in there and the bright flourescents. Anyway, ds seems to have finally settled into eating his lunch and was blocking out other stuff, didn't see his table leave for recess and ended up wandering the building (and out the front doors the second time) on his own looking. The principal hadn't noticed that he didn't leave with his class, and when ds asked for help, said, "Put your lunch box away and find your way to the playground." You and I know that means, "Go to the playground," but ds thought he meant that he needed to find his own way. Poor kiddo. He seemed relatively unphased, except that he missed recess those days - lost and alone.

After the incident on the first day of school, I let it go and figured it would be taken care of. When it happened again 2 days later, I said something to the teacher, and she found a few older kids to gently remind him. Sounds like he makes his way with the class now...but he never finishes his lunch.
post #10 of 12
Rose, I am so sorry!! My children attend a public Montessori charter school, and while it has it's drawbacks (testing - blah! and a not so involved principal) I have to say that I do love the teachers that my kids have had so far. They model peace and have a 2 1/2 hour work period before lunch and recess. They also have "cultural" time every day where each K/1 teacher teaches a different subject and hey "rotate" throughout their classes (which is awesome getting to know more than their own teacher!).

I agree on the 100+ students in the cafeteria and playground at the same time. For the first week of school, the teachers really stressed the "rules" and showing the kids around the school. The did a tour, talked about how to transition from the lunch room to the playground, went over the "buddy system" on using the bathroom, etc. I feel that my kids got a GREAT lesson in learning what was expected of them. Their lead guides/teachers are not with them during lunch and recess which disturbs me a little, but they also have to have their break. My younger DD has been complaining that nobody wants to be her friend, but luckily her older sister plays with her at recess so I think that has helped a little.

I was thinking about a few things that maybe you could ask the teacher and principal:

* Re-tour the school with your child after school and talk about rules and protocols (not leaving the school or wandering alone). Maybe this is something that you, your DS, the teacher, and principal could all do together.

* The timed math test just seems weird. If that were my child and she was stressing over it, I would ask them to stop it. However, I do understand and can appreciate that there is some memorization that needs to happen in math, but being timed??? Really? Way to make the kid feel pressure. Actually, now that I think about it, i'd ask them to stop doing this with my child.

* The green/yellow/red thing...yeah...I'd ask them to take my child's name off of that silly chart. If they don't, maybe you could just keep making it "disappear" and eventually they will get the hint. I know last year the teacher would use a chair method during morning meeting time, but it was very inclusive. 1st time you got just a warning. 2nd time you move to the "watching chair" which was just inches from the circle. That chair was used if the child was physically or verbally being disruptive. 3rd time you would move to the "waiting chair" where you could still hear the lesson/meeting, but was much farther away. The child was allowed to get off those chairs whenever they wanted. I saw some kids sit there for 5 seconds and rejoin the circle. Some kids took advantage of that time to really get it together and stay there for 10/15 minutes! But the teacher never, never, never forced them to stay there. Now, they might rejoin the circle and start being disruptive 5 seconds later, so back to the watching chair they would go. The teacher also would use positive language like, "could you focus on a child who is upholding the order of our circle?" instead of "you need to listen!" or "you are misbehavin!"

* I am not understanding why on earth they would restrict a child's movement for ANY amount of time. That's the entire beauty of a Montessori classroom!!!! Something would definitely have to change here.

If I were in your shoes, I may try to stick it out for the year and switch schools next year. OR...if you think it would be an easy transition just go for it now. This school definitely doesn't sound very Montessori and they seem very unwilling to change.

Maybe collect some Tomorrow's Child articles and give them a copy of "Montessori Madness"!!!!
post #11 of 12
Are they restricting movement during circle/silence game time, or is it a general thing that the littles have to sit in a chair and be quiet for extended periods?

The latter is very anti-Montessori. Especially for such young kids.

(I do expect my 7th/8th graders, even in a Montessori environment with long work periods etc., to be able to sustain long-ish periods of quiet -- not necessarily silence -- and relative stillness. But even for them it's definitely not absolute and they get a lot of flexibility).

Is this a situation where a public school is slowly integrating Montessori ideas and hasn't gotten quite up to speed yet? Or is it a Montessori that decided to go for a public charter? (In the former, I might expect some of what you describe -- many of the educators probably aren't completely Montessori trained yet, even if they do have state certification).

Don't let it slide. Let them know what your expectations are, because that's the only way to facilitate change for the better. Your son is too young to have to advocate for himself all the time.

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Well, according to ds, they need to sit in their seats for the majority of the day. I don't have a clear picture of whether they have freedom during the work cycle (short that it is) or not. They do have many lessons during the day when my understanding is that they have to sit still and quiet to listen.

This Montessori has been around for about 20 years, so it's not being phased in. I might guess the district could be at a point of complacency because nobody present has an idea what Montessori is anymore; however, they have recently begun expanding another Montessori in a different school - one that appears to be much more authentic. I'm not sure what the other Montessori classrooms in ds's school are like.

I decided to write the teacher first, so I sent her a pointed yet polite email tonight - outlining some of my major concerns and how they relate to ds's learning. I will talk to the assistant pricipal next.

Turns out, ds has missed 3 days of recess this week. Once for stamping on a kid's arm who had stamped all over his work plan, and twice because of work completion. Just doesn't seem right - for any kid, but especially for one who needs movement and to develop peer relationships.
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