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[Code Name Mama]

Originally Posted by luminesce

I realized last night that not only was it a full moon but it was a harvest moon on the last day of summer. Maybe the moon is pulling on our ovaries.

Hmmmmmmmmm...I might have O'd yesterday (I've not been having much of a dip lately, plus slow rise, so I'm never sure right away). Fingers crossed that the harvest moon = TTC magic for the BSL!

[Tara2]

Hey BSL. Missed you. I had 5 pages of catchup to do. Whew!

That's what I get for taking my AWOL. Anyway, I am on CD10. I was really hoping not to keep track anymore, but somewhere i can't help take notice. Usually starts right around now, on the CD10 upsurge, as I call it.

I've been down in the depths of the longest AF. 8 days, if you count traces of spotting at the end. To think, I had gone down to my shortests AF ever this year, a mere 4-5 days most months and liking it. Im jealous of you 3 day-ers a bit. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just blood, I'm a big bleeder with AF, but it's all the hormones, and feeling physically quite unpleasant. Not just cramps. GI upsets, emotional swings, big fights with DH. Lasting about 10 days of the month, then I'm fine...

I'm sure I have something wrong with me, anaemia, hypothyroid, ibs, or some crap. Who knows?

We tend to see natural medicine clinicians so I haven't been diagnosed with anything.

luminescence- I didn't know you had MS. I'm sorry. That's rough. My sister has it. Was diagnosed maybe 4 years ago. Did i mention it? Interesting on the Vit D. I am probably not getting enough of that either.

slylives- i must need glasses cause forever I keep seeing your SN as "sylvies" sorry bout that! Yay for 3 embies!

apricot- back a few pages, yes i sure wish were discussing cures for morning sickness instead of AF stuff. Like, "thanks for telling me about 'morning sickness magic'. I found it in the local baby kids store. It's awesome. Have you tried Preggypops?" or whatever they're called...

rcr- sorry that you had to have a D&C at all. but i hope it can be a relief for you and that you move on freely from this. M/c is hard enough without all the waiting you had.


Maurine- sorry last cycle didn't work out

MbA- I like that... best luck on this cycle. Agreed it would be special to know every step it takes going in. Hope for success! Dhs are like that sometimes. Mess up on stuff, and do other things to make up for it, all in a day's work.

I know I am leaving out several ladies. I'm sorry. I don't have enough surge yet to get to more personals at the moment. But I'm sure as O approaches it will come.

BTW, jamie the intuitive was right about me, at least about one thing. She said she did not see any more babies for me. I asked again and she still said no. I'm like, does she mean, ever? Or just not now? I first asekd in Feb. and it's almost Oct so obviously it's true for this year. And she said the babylust would go away after a big move or change but so far it hasn't ever gone away. It waxes and wanes with each time AF arrives though. But in response to an unrelated question, she said my family would eventually grow after big changes come. DK what that means, if it indicates any more babies or not. But just recently we had a divination done according to our tradition and the answer came back that it's best for us not to try for another child. Again, this is not 100% clear if it means "ever" or just at this time. At this time makes a lot of sense, given several aspects of our lives right now. Of course this didn't stop us TTC yet. That would be sensible! Anyway, I am starting to really believe I will never have another child. And it makes me sad.

[enigo]

Originally Posted by Tara2

BTW, jamie the intuitive was right about me, at least about one thing. She said she did not see any more babies for me. I asked again and she still said no. I'm like, does she mean, ever? Or just not now? I first asekd in Feb. and it's almost Oct so obviously it's true for this year. And she said the babylust would go away after a big move or change but so far it hasn't ever gone away. It waxes and wanes with each time AF arrives though. But in response to an unrelated question, she said my family would eventually grow after big changes come. DK what that means, if it indicates any more babies or not. But just recently we had a divination done according to our tradition and the answer came back that it's best for us not to try for another child. Again, this is not 100% clear if it means "ever" or just at this time. At this time makes a lot of sense, given several aspects of our lives right now. Of course this didn't stop us TTC yet. That would be sensible! Anyway, I am starting to really believe I will never have another child. And it makes me sad.

She told me "definitely yes"...and I ain't got no stinkin' baby!

[Kinza]

Originally Posted by slylives

The embryolist said that she would call first thing if I needed to rush in today for a 3-day transfer. She hasn't called, so Barry, Gary and Carrie must be going strong! Transfer should be Saturday.

Also wanted to say how very much I appreciate the words of support - reading your comments has changed my perspective on this whole process and I am actually optimistic about the outcome now - and believe me, I was ready to give up after the phonecall from the embryologist.

Sounds like things are going well with your eggies. I'm glad you're feeling better about your chances.

Originally Posted by collieflower

(yes, we too, are old and have trouble finding the time and energy to BD many times per week, so I want to know if we can stop).

We feel like this, too, most months. I just want to know when we can stop having sex because we have to!

Originally Posted by luminesce

I realized last night that not only was it a full moon but it was a harvest moon on the last day of summer. Maybe the moon is pulling on our ovaries.

I did not know that last night had such a great moon! But maybe it's doing something for me, too, because I'm on CD 17 and finally got my first +OPK for the month. So hopefully I'll O in the next day or two, because I am over this cycle already.

Anyone in their LP and hoping to test soon?

[enigo]

Ok It's on!! Nearly +OPK. Too bad it couldn't wait for the weekend. Wish we hadn't BD yesterday. I was gonna give DH the night off, but I can't take any chances If I O tomorrow that would be cd17. Not too shabby...I think I'll get pregnant with a sticky baby this time. Oh wait... I said that last month....and the month before

It would be funny to show up at the plant show next year with a baby. That's what happened last time. I got pregnant a week or so after the show, the following year I showed up with a 3 month old. No one had seen me pregnant. I'm hoping to do it again this year!

[MaerynPearl]

Originally Posted by Tara2

BTW, jamie the intuitive was right about me, at least about one thing. She said she did not see any more babies for me. I asked again and she still said no. I'm like, does she mean, ever? Or just not now? I first asekd in Feb. and it's almost Oct so obviously it's true for this year.

If you go through the posts you can see the degree of accuracy she has. Just search baby and check out how those ladies are doing now...

[luminesce]

Ugh! I think we started the BD a bit early. Yesterday's OPK was *almost* positive but today's was *definitely* positive. How long does it take sperm to replenish anyway? I'm afraid now that we're on peak day, we've exhausted the arsenal, so to speak. How does everyone else deal with this, normal or low count? The SA DH had before DS was born was normal but I don't know now...

[enigo]

Originally Posted by luminesce

Ugh! I think we started the BD a bit early. Yesterday's OPK was *almost* positive but today's was *definitely* positive. How long does it take sperm to replenish anyway? I'm afraid now that we're on peak day, we've exhausted the arsenal, so to speak. How does everyone else deal with this, normal or low count? The SA DH had before DS was born was normal but I don't know now...

Girl...right there with you. I figured it was almost positive and now after 2 days of BD...I swear if it isn't positive today I'll die

[Code Name Mama]

luminesce - We use the "do it every day and pray" method
Here's what I found on some random site after googling:

Sperm Count and Frequency of Intercourse: Sperm count is also a variable - and in some cases where a doctor has documented sperm count issues, you may be asked to refrain from daily sex prior to your fertile window in order to allow the sperm to replenish themselves and re-populate. While most doctors recommend that you make love throughout your cycle - not just during ovulation time - we must also consider the toll frequent lovemaking may take on the sperm count. Hence, if you are trying to conceive, some experts recommend that a man should not ejaculate more than every thirty-six hours, at least until peak fertility. During these key days, its advised to make love daily!

afm - it appears the harvest moon did indeed help me O - I'm 2DPO (well, I think. I could have a slight temp today b/c I have a runny nose, but I don't feel bad otherwise)
On to the really maddening part of my cycle...

[Maurine]

Miriam - Did you want to be threadkeeper next month? I wanted to offer it to you first since you were also interested in doing this month.

[Maurine]

Got the call. Officially not pregnant. I figured. But, when I do get pregnant, I for sure won't be depending on any of my early symptoms. This time and last time I had totally new, intense symptoms in the TWW (nausea, high temps, increased sense of smell, dizziness...). My body has been tricking me big time! It must be the combo of progesterone suppositories (which I've taken in the TWW before) and femara (which is the new part)...

[slylives]

Originally Posted by Maurine

Got the call. Officially not pregnant. I figured. But, when I do get pregnant, I for sure won't be depending on any of my early symptoms. This time and last time I had totally new, intense symptoms in the TWW (nausea, high temps, increased sense of smell, dizziness...). My body has been tricking me big time! It must be the combo of progesterone suppositories (which I've taken in the TWW before) and femara (which is the new part)...

I'm sorry - what a b!tch.

[Jane]

Aw Maurine! Bummer.

I'm a total skeptic on many things, incl intuitives. But, if yall want to spend your money on it, it's no trouble to me.
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[Maurine]

Originally Posted by slylives

I'm sorry - what a b!tch.

Thanks, sly! Have you heard from the doc's? So we're assuming transfer tomorrow? How many will you do?

[collieflower]

Originally Posted by Maurine

Got the call. Officially not pregnant. I figured. But, when I do get pregnant, I for sure won't be depending on any of my early symptoms. This time and last time I had totally new, intense symptoms in the TWW (nausea, high temps, increased sense of smell, dizziness...). My body has been tricking me big time! It must be the combo of progesterone suppositories (which I've taken in the TWW before) and femara (which is the new part)...

Maurine - So sorry things didn't work out for you this month. I was really hopeful! And those symptoms are SO unfair. I can totally relate, after my miscarriages I always have brutal nausea for 5-6 before AF arrives and I always fall for it and assume that I'm pregnant again.

What do you plan to do now (sorry if you've already said this in BSL); do you plan to do another IUI? Soon?

[slylives]

A bad day.

The embryologist called. The embryos are developing a little more slowly than expected - they are about one day "behind schedule". At Day 3 they expect 6-8 cells and there were 4 in each embryo. Today there are 6-8. Day 5 transfer is supposed to be tomorrow, but unless the babies develop quickly over the next 24 hours, they won't do the transfer but will push it out to Sunday (day 6). From my quick research, day 6 transfers are unusual and the success rates are lower.

My Doctor said that he is not "terribly thrilled" with the results so far and although pregnancy is not impossible, he thinks the slow development of the embryos is "not ideal." He also said that (bearing in mind we are doing the shared risk program so we have two more goes) that there is a lot to gain from the cycle, and if it's unsuccessful we can look at the protocol and see what needs to be changed for next time.

[rcr]

Oh slylives adn Maurine, how horrible. I am so sorry (still hopeful for you sly, though).

What a sucky day for BSLs.

[Jane]

slylives
I'm optimistic. I've caught a few babies that were poorly graded embies.
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[luminesce]

Originally Posted by slylives

The embryologist called. The embryos are developing a little more slowly than expected - they are about one day "behind schedule". At Day 3 they expect 6-8 cells and there were 4 in each embryo. Today there are 6-8. Day 5 transfer is supposed to be tomorrow, but unless the babies develop quickly over the next 24 hours, they won't do the transfer but will push it out to Sunday (day 6). From my quick research, day 6 transfers are unusual and the success rates are lower.

My Doctor said that he is not "terribly thrilled" with the results so far and although pregnancy is not impossible, he thinks the slow development of the embryos is "not ideal." He also said that (bearing in mind we are doing the shared risk program so we have two more goes) that there is a lot to gain from the cycle, and if it's unsuccessful we can look at the protocol and see what needs to be changed for next time.

A quick google search returned quite a few positive outcomes for others who had Day 6 transfers due to slow growth. I know that doesn't necessarily mean a lot when you're the one in that boat, but try to hang in there. Science assigns a number to everything but nature doesn't always follow the rules. I think it is reasonable to be worried given the doctor's lack of optimism but since "not ideal" doesn't mean "not possible" there is still hope.

I'm really sorry though; I know I'd be too. .

[Maurine]

Originally Posted by collieflower

What do you plan to do now (sorry if you've already said this in BSL); do you plan to do another IUI? Soon?

Thanks for the love. We're moving straight into another IUI. Since I don't O on my own, we might as well. We'll do letrozole day 3-5 7.5mg/day, estrace (I had a really thin lining) starting day 12, u/s day 13 and hopefully go from there! We're only doing one IUI this time (to make life a little easier on me). Then, we may think of moving onto IVF, or maybe another IUI.

Originally Posted by slylives

I still have hope! Hang in there!