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post #21 of 34
Some situations, your cant afford NOT to get a trainer or behaviorist involved, and aggression is one of those.

General behaviors, socialization, etc you can do on your own if necessary.

My favorite book for raising a puppy is Ian Dunbars Before and After You Get A Puppy and he has it available free on his website, along with ton of other great articles...dogstardaily.com

Here is the direct link to the book pdf

Before

After
post #22 of 34
I second Ian Dunbar's BEFORE and AFTER you get your puppy. They are both a great read, and FREE

This pup is not being "dominant". This is a very misunderstood term to begin with, but this is not anything that suggests true dominant or even status seeking behavior. This is a puppy being a puppy. The ears pulled back barred teeth is a fearful response. Why the response I have no clue, and couldn't venture to guess without knowing how you are training and seeing the dog and humans in person.

Dogs and kids can be a great mix or can be a nightmare depending on how you train and what kind of relationship you have with your dog. I second a behavioralist or a trainer well versed in non compulsive techniques. If they say you need to dominate the dog, please run.

If you're not able to go the trainer route, then yes, you may need to rehome. Please contact your breeder or a reputable rescue so you can do that responsibly. You should definitely neuter before rehoming as well.
post #23 of 34
Sorry you are having trouble with your puppy. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate right now.
I can't tell you what I would do because I am not there to see what is really going on. A lot of people do not know the difference between bites, nips, mouthing, teething, smiles of submission when teeth are flashed, obnoxious puppy antics vs. real aggression, and honestly I think to help this puppy a trainer would have to go in and evaluate what is really going on here. Redirection, supervision and a structured schedule, a variety of safe toys, a leash, obedience/manners training such as a modified version of Nothing In Life is For Free, daily exercise and lots of socialization going places (puppy classes, pet stores, seeing their world around them, etc.), and things like that are really important in large breed puppies. It is obvious the puppy has a lot of energy and is very confused what is expected of him/her and my mind can't help but wonder what type of mental and physical activities this puppy has during the course of a normal day and perhaps this puppy is trying to entertain themselves. Running around the yard day after day and knowing a few commands isn't enough for many high energy large breed puppies and gets old fast. The puppy probably wants to play with the kids who seem fun and exciting in their behavior, but is unsure of the best way how. The puppy probably has a lot of anxiety about this whole situation too.

At this point I would say you have two good options for the pet
1. trainer ASAP and devote the time and resources to making and molding this pet the family member you wanted with classes and sessions with a trainer and/or behaviorist
2. Find a reputable Golden rescue and speak with them ASAP

If you are searching for a special dog for your special needs child I would look into a program that has already trained young adult dogs that have been trained and raised with that in mind.
post #24 of 34
OP, My original reaction to your post came off a bit harsh, and I am sorry for posting so soon after reading the responses as well, I should have thought of a more kind way of wording my post, you're right.

I do sincerely hope that you can find a way of handling this puppy and getting help with her training so that everyone, including the puppy, is as happy and able to learn how to deal with each other, given the circumstances that you have to work within. I really never meant my response as any sort of attack on you or your abilities to have a pet. I just honestly KNOW from experience, that out large breed active dog took so many years of constant training (daily and nightly) and dealing with her in ways that were not always easy for us... but we knew would help her to be a trusting, loving, protective dog in the end, which she was... but it definitely took quite a LOT of patience and sometimes going against our nerves, for certain!

Dogs don't always play the role of cute and nice and they take a lot of time to train how to just "be" part of this human oriented race and household that we expect them to naturally be, and its not an easy path at all, for us or the dogs. I did not even have kids at the time our pup was learning, and I worked from home so I could be on her whenever she needed to learn some new way of dealing with her puppy frustrations... thats why I think crate training can sometimes backfire on people... b'c the dogs don't really learn ways of dealing, they just learn fear based responses. But, I also acknowledge that crate training is a whole other field of belief, and thats ok, it just never made complete sense, from the animal's perspective, to us. We were wanting a puppy for two years *very strongly* before even getting one.

I truly was only trying to give you support, as I know from experience that its NOT an easy road to train a dog into being a well behaved family pet, and that they can and typically will, put you to the test daily for a few years. Especially large breeds. Since you are only about 8 weeks into this and were already feeling frustrated and had suffered a few scary incidents for you, I thought I'd give support in saying that rehoming is not an evil thing to do. I hope you can find the support that you need... I've been feeling terrible since I posted, for my immediate response in protection of your dog, as it comes across as judgemental... I know that you have a big heart and want the best for everyone in your family, including this puppy. Its clear that you love her too.

Plus, unlike another pp said and seemed to read into my thoughts, I do NOT feel that your kids come 2nd by any means, just that, if the puppy can't get all that she also very much NEEDS as far as her own growth and confidence training right now, b'c of course you need to see after your kid's safety first (absolutely!), that maybe think of rehoming her before she gets too much older and would be unable to be re-homed safely for her own future good.

Please know that I did have all of your family's safety and peace in mind, even if my first post comes across as only caring about the dog and also tagging you for any personal weakness as far as owning/training a pet... I do not feel that way in the slightest. I just could not imagine trying to "superwoman" it all on my own, from what you posted that you have going on right now. I really do wish you the best and the best for the puppy as well. Sorry if I made you feel bad at all, not what I meant to do.
post #25 of 34
I highly recommend anything by Cesar Millan (the Dog Whisperer). His methods have reformed even the most violent dogs (not that I put your dog in that category, he sounds like he is just misguided).
post #26 of 34
if you decide to go the milan route, please read up on all the pros and cons about him....there are many cons and done wrongly (even down correctly) it can turn even stable dogs into fearful and aggressive ones.
post #27 of 34
Training a puppy is a full time job. With young children and another one on the way, it might be a good suggestion to rehome the dog if you don't have time/energy right now. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. Or, could the dog stay with your boyfriend until she's a little older/calmer and more trained? We love dogs and didn't have the time or energy for a puppy until recently - when our youngest child was potty trained! And I still think we made a mistake sometimes... they're just alot of work! I'm reminding myself that if I put the work in now, during the puppy stage, we'll have a great pet for many years... I can do it... I can do it.... I digress, but, it is hard!
Anyway, I have a disabled sibling and she got a WONDERFUL yellow lab that was fully trained through a guide dog place in California. That might be something to consider. Or, looking for a dog that is past the puppy stage and already trained. It seems like it would be easy to find a good home for a golden puppy. Whatever you decide, good luck!
post #28 of 34
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Originally Posted by greenmagick View Post
if you decide to go the milan route, please read up on all the pros and cons about him....there are many cons and done wrongly (even down correctly) it can turn even stable dogs into fearful and aggressive ones.
Do you have direct experience with his methods or have you just read negative online reviews about him? I am just wondering because I think the majority of the negative press about him is bogus.
post #29 of 34
I have direct experiece with his methods.

THe things behaviorist say about him are NOT bogus. He basis his training on the idea that dogs are always looking for status and that is just simply not true...and had been proven to be not true.

Does he have some good points? Yes, dogs need leadership, dogs need a lot more exercise than many get. Almost all dog problems are actually people problems etc...but this is not original to him, any trainer worth his salt will say the same.

But then, on his show....well, there are a lot of things he does that are just not needed. He sets a dog up to fail to correct them instead of modifying the behavior, he floods instead of conditioning, Ive seen dogs totally shut down with their tongue blue from choking, and he calls that calm submissive.

There is a reason his show comes with the warning of do not try this at home.

Again, do a simple search and you will find all the big associations of behaviorists, trainers, etc against him.

One of my favorite comparisons is here
http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance/
post #30 of 34
Thread Starter 
Well yesterday by bf was on the couch petting the puppy and my 2 year old approached (the one who has been bitten twice). As she came up to the side of the couch the pup lunged and bit her in the face, catching the corner of the eye. My boyfriend sat up and yelled NO at the dog and the dog turned right around and bit HIM in the face.
I have had many dogs and puppies in my life and NEVER seen this kind of unprevoked behaviour in a dog.
My kids come first, the dog is going ASAP.
post #31 of 34
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Originally Posted by ComaWhite View Post
Well yesterday by bf was on the couch petting the puppy and my 2 year old approached (the one who has been bitten twice). As she came up to the side of the couch the pup lunged and bit her in the face, catching the corner of the eye. My boyfriend sat up and yelled NO at the dog and the dog turned right around and bit HIM in the face.
I have had many dogs and puppies in my life and NEVER seen this kind of unprevoked behaviour in a dog.
My kids come first, the dog is going ASAP.
I am so sorry that happened, but I think you are making a wise move. Please be sure to mention that a home without children would be ideal when you list the dog.

Amy
post #32 of 34
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Originally Posted by ComaWhite View Post
Well yesterday by bf was on the couch petting the puppy and my 2 year old approached (the one who has been bitten twice). As she came up to the side of the couch the pup lunged and bit her in the face, catching the corner of the eye. My boyfriend sat up and yelled NO at the dog and the dog turned right around and bit HIM in the face.
I have had many dogs and puppies in my life and NEVER seen this kind of unprevoked behaviour in a dog.
My kids come first, the dog is going ASAP.
Wow, that's awful! I had a Golden Retriever with really young kids from puppyhood to adult and he never acted like that and we knew nothing about dog training then.
That sounds like really strange behavior for a Golden. I hope your DD and BF are ok!
post #33 of 34
Oh, no! That's awful. Very, very odd behavior for a pup of that age. I have a 5 month-old pup and I simply can't imagine her doing that. I hope your bf a dd are okay. I'm sure this isn't an easy situation for any of you.
post #34 of 34
I have a theory about dogs like this. I'm no expert, and I have no real basis for feeling this way, but I often wonder if dogs that are this aggressive at such a young age may have some sort of brain damage. Maybe they had oxygen deprivation at birth or something. I'm so sorry for your bad experience, and I hope that you call a BSR for help.
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